The Will of God: Sovereign Decree, Prescriptive Will

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Jan 31, 2013
 
calvin wrote:
I will not attempt to balance mans will with Gods will nor will I pat myself on the back for something for which dead sinners cannot do. This is where many get tangled in Armenians web and somehow think they help God in the saving process. Our response only is made possible because of God bringing us to Life. Dead men can’t make themselves alive. As I said, the Bible does teach human responsibility. It teaches that the sinner is guilty, the sinner is responsible for sin, the sinner is given the opportunity. Sinners are responsible to believe in God, to come to faith in the gospel and through Jesus Christ to be saved. I’m not denying this fact at all. However, on the other side, I believe that those who are saved are saved because of the sovereign purpose and will of God.
But its Gods will and desire that all repent and come to the knowledge of the truth. Yet, we don't see that happening. Do we then say that it is Gods will is that not all should be saved? If He desires all to be saved, but then doesn't make the "dead sinner alive to respond", then it appears God is either a liar or indeed does NOT want all men to be saved.
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Jan 31, 2013
 
Bobby wrote:
How does this fit into the discussion?
"The tares and the wheat"
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...
The Son of Man sowed the good seed. The weeds are sons of the devil.

In John 8:44, Jesus, talking directly to “the Jews who had believed him”(31), but they turned against his teaching (41), then Jesus tells them,“you belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your fathers desire.” Often the wheat is hard to tell from the weeds. Jesus sows His seed and knows His sheep and all of his sheep come to Him and he shall lose none but raise them up at the last day.

There are 4 types of soil in the parable.

1. the hard ground on the pathway
2. the shallow soil on the rock
3. soil among thorns
4. good soil.

The elect of God - true Christians bear fruit. The other soils did not produce because they were not genuine.

The Parable of the Wheat and Weeds in Matt … we should recognize how the seed, which is the Word of God, is cast out upon all kinds of soil, meaning that the Gospel goes out to all men but only the elect are saved. God's Sovereignty shines through in this parable. This parable does not support the Arminian position at all.
Bobby

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Jan 31, 2013
 
New Guy wrote:
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I don't believe the gospel is totally in our hands. Paul said he planted, Apollos watered, and God gave the increase. We preach the gospel but God helps the seed to grow. That being said, Paul mentioned several times that he was clean of the blood of the Jews because he preached the gospel to them. I think that yes, we are responsible if we don't tell the lost about the gospel. There are a couple of famous passages in Ezekiel that tells us as such. Scary responsibility-and how many of us aren't guilty in some degree?
That is pretty much the way I see it. However I lean toward the supernatural power of God being the driving force. When we live lives before men that reveals christ likeness-Christ living in us then the people around us sees a glimpse of the gospel. I know people who's walk with the Lord is contagious...
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Jan 31, 2013
 
That's what happens when we let our light shine before men. They see our good deeds, and glorify our heavenly Father.

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Jan 31, 2013
 
calvin wrote:
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No person will without God being in control.
Romans 3
10 as it is written,

“There is none righteous, not even one;
11 There is none who understands,
There is none who seeks for God;
12 All have turned aside, together they have become useless;
There is none who does good,
There is not even one.”
13 “Their throat is an open grave,
With their tongues they keep deceiving,”
“The poison of asps is under their lips”;
14 “Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness”;
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood,
16 Destruction and misery are in their paths,
17 And the path of peace they have not known.”
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”

Here was the question you did not answer. Is there anyone who seeks God. Yes or No.
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Jan 31, 2013
 
New Guy wrote:
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But its Gods will and desire that all repent and come to the knowledge of the truth. Yet, we don't see that happening. Do we then say that it is Gods will is that not all should be saved? If He desires all to be saved, but then doesn't make the "dead sinner alive to respond", then it appears God is either a liar or indeed does NOT want all men to be saved.
I believe Deuteronomy 29:29 makes it is clear there are at least two types of wills in God -- God's decretive will and his preceptive will. I would start there to better understand my position.

In Ezekiel 18:23 God asks: "Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, declares the Lord GOD, and not rather that he should turn from his way and live?" It is what God desires them to do and says nothing about what He will accomplish. God also desires all men to obey the Ten Commandments.
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Jan 31, 2013
 
JustChristian wrote:
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Romans 3
10 as it is written,
“There is none righteous, not even one;
11 There is none who understands,
There is none who seeks for God;
12 All have turned aside, together they have become useless;
There is none who does good,
There is not even one.”
13 “Their throat is an open grave,
With their tongues they keep deceiving,”
“The poison of asps is under their lips”;
14 “Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness”;
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood,
16 Destruction and misery are in their paths,
17 And the path of peace they have not known.”
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
Here was the question you did not answer. Is there anyone who seeks God. Yes or No.
The elect after being regenerated.

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Jan 31, 2013
 
calvin wrote:
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The elect after being regenerated.
So your answer was??? lol you cant answer it can you. Hey when you get honest enough to answer let us know.

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The elect after being regenerated.
Do you know that this statement really discredits your theology. The word regenerate means that to restore, to renew again. Could you tell us how a person can be restored that was from their conception lost? The word demands that they were not lost from birth.
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Jan 31, 2013
 
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>So your answer was??? lol you cant answer it can you. Hey when you get honest enough to answer let us know.
You are acting like The Wise Man from yesterday with your answers. I’m happy to discuss but I will not engage in Childish stuff. I answered you. I do not have to answer yes or no without qualifying my answer, I know better than to do that. If you plan to continue your comments with childs play I suggest you bark up another tree. I will not waste my time on that at all.
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Jan 31, 2013
 
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>Do you know that this statement really discredits your theology. The word regenerate means that to restore, to renew again. Could you tell us how a person can be restored that was from their conception lost? The word demands that they were not lost from birth.
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Ephesians 2:5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions--it is by grace you have been saved.
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Ephesians 4:18 They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts.
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Ephesians 5:14 for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said: "Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
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Colossians 2:13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins.

You are regenerated from the DEAD.
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calvin wrote:
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You are acting like The Wise Man from yesterday with your answers. I’m happy to discuss but I will not engage in Childish stuff. I answered you. I do not have to answer yes or no without qualifying my answer
No...He learned from TheWiseMan how to defeat you.
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Jan 31, 2013
 
calvin wrote:
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I believe Deuteronomy 29:29 makes it is clear there are at least two types of wills in God -- God's decretive will and his preceptive will. I would start there to better understand my position.
In Ezekiel 18:23 God asks: "Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, declares the Lord GOD, and not rather that he should turn from his way and live?" It is what God desires them to do and says nothing about what He will accomplish. God also desires all men to obey the Ten Commandments.
This is a nice article on Deuteronomy 29:29...
http://arminianperspectives.wordpress.com/200...
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Jan 31, 2013
 
John 1, "But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become the children of God even to those who believe in His name." But, verse 13, "Who were born, begotten not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man but of...whom?...God." Do you see how clear Scripture is on this? The reason we believe is solely because God wills it so. John says so clearly that we are NOT born by our will yet our pride says we somehow assist God. No sir! John says we are born totally apart from our will. You can't say, "Well I was active in my new birth." No you weren't. You couldn't have been active in your new birth, you're dead. This is the work of God and only He can give life.

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calvin wrote:
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Ephesians 2:5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions--it is by grace you have been saved.
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Ephesians 4:18 They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts.
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Ephesians 5:14 for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said: "Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
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Colossians 2:13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins.
You are regenerated from the DEAD.
How can you be regenerated to alive if you were not alive at one time.... Get the point. And I do take the wise man comment as insult.
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calvin wrote:
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Ephesians 2:5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions--it is by grace you have been saved.
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Ephesians 4:18 They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts.
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Ephesians 5:14 for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said: "Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
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Colossians 2:13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins.
You are regenerated from the DEAD.
I love it when you post verses that discredit your theology. Whom is the US In Colossians 2:13? Just the Colossian christians and Paul?
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JustChristian wrote:
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How can you be regenerated to alive if you were not alive at one time.... Get the point. And I do take the wise man comment as insult.
Exactly. So much for being born totally depraved, unable to do anything about your condition. We were alive once, without the law I believe Paul says. Then due to the commandment, sin revived and we died.
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New Guy wrote:
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Exactly. So much for being born totally depraved, unable to do anything about your condition. We were alive once, without the law I believe Paul says. Then due to the commandment, sin revived and we died.
I’m not wishing to labor the depravity of man at this point if that is where you are trying to drive me. Are we born sinners? This is where I turn the wheel and drive another direction. I believe babies and kids are innocent until they embrace sin. Don’t ask me how this works with the elect and non-elect. I don't profess to have every answer. Well, you guys have a good day.
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#40
Jan 31, 2013
 
The Bible does not teach a synergistic position as everyone from this forum apparently clings to. The harmony of Scripture supports a monergistic view. Sign off, bye.

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