Appointed For Eternal Life

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calvin

Martinsville, VA

#1 Jan 25, 2013
What is the condition of man’s heart?“The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?”(Jer. 17:9). Jesus said that the problem with man is his heart. His heart must be changed (see Mark 7:20-23; Matt. 7:16-19).

“I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again”(John 3:3). To be a candidate of the Kingdom you first must be born from God. Jesus proclaimed that you must be born again. Just as you did not have anything to do with your natural birth, so also, if you are a believer, you had nothing to do with your new birth. No one decides to be born or to be reborn. God decides that, and changes our heart so that we welcome his decision.

Furthermore, the Bible says,“there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God”(Rom. 3:11).“The mind of sinful man is death; the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God”(Rom. 8:6-8).“Those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son”(Rom. 8:29). Notice that the apostle Paul does not speak about “what” God foreknew, but about “those” people whom he foreknew. The point is that God foreknew individuals. The word “foreknew” is a term expressing the intimacy of personal knowledge. God set his love upon certain individuals before the world was ever created, and planned out their salvation from beginning to end.

See the chain of salvation summarized in Romans 8:30.

Those God predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified. What, then, shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us?”(Rom. 8:30-31).

“All who were appointed for eternal life believed”(Acts 13:48) The ‘ALL’ here are those who were APPOINTED for eternal life. Those who were not appointed for eternal life do not and cannot believe.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#2 Jan 25, 2013
calvin wrote:
What is the condition of man’s heart?“The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?”(Jer. 17:9). Jesus said that the problem with man is his heart. His heart must be changed (see Mark 7:20-23; Matt. 7:16-19).
“I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again”(John 3:3). To be a candidate of the Kingdom you first must be born from God. Jesus proclaimed that you must be born again. Just as you did not have anything to do with your natural birth, so also, if you are a believer, you had nothing to do with your new birth. No one decides to be born or to be reborn. God decides that, and changes our heart so that we welcome his decision.
Furthermore, the Bible says,“there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God”(Rom. 3:11).“The mind of sinful man is death; the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God”(Rom. 8:6-8).“Those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son”(Rom. 8:29). Notice that the apostle Paul does not speak about “what” God foreknew, but about “those” people whom he foreknew. The point is that God foreknew individuals. The word “foreknew” is a term expressing the intimacy of personal knowledge. God set his love upon certain individuals before the world was ever created, and planned out their salvation from beginning to end.
See the chain of salvation summarized in Romans 8:30.
Those God predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified. What, then, shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us?”(Rom. 8:30-31).
“All who were appointed for eternal life believed”(Acts 13:48) The ‘ALL’ here are those who were APPOINTED for eternal life. Those who were not appointed for eternal life do not and cannot believe.
Possession of eternal life involves both human faith and divine appointment. All any of us can bring to the equation is our faith...
calvin

Martinsville, VA

#3 Jan 25, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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Possession of eternal life involves both human faith and divine appointment. All any of us can bring to the equation is our faith...
If I may interject. Faith is a gift from God.“For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast”(Ephesians 2:8-9). The word “faith” is the nearest antecedent of “that” which means the verse is saying:“For by grace you have been saved through faith, and “that faith” is not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast” Fallen man can in no fashion make faith from within his being because he is spiritually dead and cannot please God while in this condition of deadness.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#4 Jan 25, 2013
calvin wrote:
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If I may interject. Faith is a gift from God.“For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast”(Ephesians 2:8-9). The word “faith” is the nearest antecedent of “that” which means the verse is saying:“For by grace you have been saved through faith, and “that faith” is not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast” Fallen man can in no fashion make faith from within his being because he is spiritually dead and cannot please God while in this condition of deadness.
Luke the apostle said to Jesus, "Lord increase our faith."

The truth is God builds our faith by testing it.

I can remember times when I have asked God to take away things from my life that hinder me, it always comes with more trouble as he strengthens me enough to endure the hardship. Even Jesus said "Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done."

We are very much involved in the transition of our souls but in the end God gets the glory. Not saying that we helped God to save us but rather that we become co-labors with Christ. This is evident in the call on our lives to take the gospel into the world. Those he calls he also equips.
calvin

Martinsville, VA

#5 Jan 25, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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Luke the apostle said to Jesus, "Lord increase our faith."
The truth is God builds our faith by testing it.
I can remember times when I have asked God to take away things from my life that hinder me, it always comes with more trouble as he strengthens me enough to endure the hardship. Even Jesus said "Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done."
We are very much involved in the transition of our souls but in the end God gets the glory. Not saying that we helped God to save us but rather that we become co-labors with Christ. This is evident in the call on our lives to take the gospel into the world. Those he calls he also equips.
Our free will is subject to Gods will not free in the sense that our destiny is determined by our choice.
calvin

Martinsville, VA

#6 Jan 25, 2013
Now you can “work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose”(Phil. 2:12-13).

• God works in the Christian
• According to HIS purpose

Paul is speaking to those who believe and he reminds them that God is at work in them. Both the desire and the doing are of God. So he confidently says to them,“He who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus”(Phil. 1:6).

• God BEGAN a good work in the Christian
• God will see that HIS work is complete
• Until the day of Christ Jesus
Full Circle

Palmyra, VA

#7 Jan 26, 2013
Whoever will let him come to God. God sent his Son to die for all men. We can pick this day of salvation.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#8 Jan 29, 2013
AENT Romans 8:26-39

So also the Spirit aids our weakness. For we are not cognizant of what to pray for in a proper manner; but the Spirit prays for us with groans beyond description.

And the searcher of hearts, he knows what is the mind of the Spirit; because he prays for the Set Apart believers, agreeably to the will of Elohim. And we know that he aids him in all things, for good, who love Elohim; them whom he called from before our beginnings according to his purpose. And he knew them previously; and he sealed them with the likeness of the image of his Son; that He might be the first born of many brothers. And those whom he previously sealed, them he called; and those whom he called, them he made righteous; and those whom he made righteous, them he glorified. What then will we say of these things? If Elohim (is) for us; who (is) against us? And, if he spared not his Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not give us all things,'with him?' Who will set himself against the chosen of Elohim? It is Elohim who justifies. Who is it that condemns? Mashiyach died and arose and is on the right hand of Elohim, and makes intercession for us. What will sever me from the love of Mashiyach? Will affliction or distress or persecution or famine or nakedness or peril of the sword? As it is written:'For your sake, we die daily; and we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.' But in all these things we are victorious by means of him who loved us. For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor Messengers nor principlities, nor powers nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other creature will be able to sever me from the love of Elohim which is in our Master Y'shua the Mashiyach."
James Rakes

Martinsville, VA

#9 Jan 29, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
AENT Romans 8:26-39
So also the Spirit aids our weakness. For we are not cognizant of what to pray for in a proper manner; but the Spirit prays for us with groans beyond description.
And the searcher of hearts, he knows what is the mind of the Spirit; because he prays for the Set Apart believers, agreeably to the will of Elohim. And we know that he aids him in all things, for good, who love Elohim; them whom he called from before our beginnings according to his purpose. And he knew them previously; and he sealed them with the likeness of the image of his Son; that He might be the first born of many brothers. And those whom he previously sealed, them he called; and those whom he called, them he made righteous; and those whom he made righteous, them he glorified. What then will we say of these things? If Elohim (is) for us; who (is) against us? And, if he spared not his Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not give us all things,'with him?' Who will set himself against the chosen of Elohim? It is Elohim who justifies. Who is it that condemns? Mashiyach died and arose and is on the right hand of Elohim, and makes intercession for us. What will sever me from the love of Mashiyach? Will affliction or distress or persecution or famine or nakedness or peril of the sword? As it is written:'For your sake, we die daily; and we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.' But in all these things we are victorious by means of him who loved us. For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor Messengers nor principlities, nor powers nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other creature will be able to sever me from the love of Elohim which is in our Master Y'shua the Mashiyach."
Good verses. What point are you making? Are you a defender of Calvinism?
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#10 Jan 29, 2013
AENT Acts 13:47-49

"For thus our Master commands us as it is written that,'I have prepared you (to be) a light to the gentiles that you might be for life to the limits of the earth.' And while the Gentiles were hearing, they were rejoicing and were glorifying Elohim. And those who believed were ordained to life that is everlasting. And the Word of Master YHWH was spoken in all that county. "
James Rakes

Martinsville, VA

#11 Jan 29, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
AENT Romans 8:26-39
So also the Spirit aids our weakness. For we are not cognizant of what to pray for in a proper manner; but the Spirit prays for us with groans beyond description.
And the searcher of hearts, he knows what is the mind of the Spirit; because he prays for the Set Apart believers, agreeably to the will of Elohim. And we know that he aids him in all things, for good, who love Elohim; them whom he called from before our beginnings according to his purpose. And he knew them previously; and he sealed them with the likeness of the image of his Son; that He might be the first born of many brothers. And those whom he previously sealed, them he called; and those whom he called, them he made righteous; and those whom he made righteous, them he glorified. What then will we say of these things? If Elohim (is) for us; who (is) against us? And, if he spared not his Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not give us all things,'with him?' Who will set himself against the chosen of Elohim? It is Elohim who justifies. Who is it that condemns? Mashiyach died and arose and is on the right hand of Elohim, and makes intercession for us. What will sever me from the love of Mashiyach? Will affliction or distress or persecution or famine or nakedness or peril of the sword? As it is written:'For your sake, we die daily; and we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.' But in all these things we are victorious by means of him who loved us. For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor Messengers nor principlities, nor powers nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other creature will be able to sever me from the love of Elohim which is in our Master Y'shua the Mashiyach."
This is true but it is predicated upon continuous faith in Jesus Christ. If one discards his faith and denies the Lord who bought them he is lost and is like a pig that returns to the mire.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#12 Jan 29, 2013
And those whom he previously sealed, them he called; and those whom he called, them he made righteous; and those whom he made righteous, them he glorified.

Sealing has to do with the Spirit. Note that He made them righteous. This is the link between the call and glorified. Anyone who rejects His making them righteous (such as those who claim the name and reject His instructions in righteousness that we are called to hear and do), which is submittal to discipline as His children.

There are those who are not drawn to Jesus. No amount of debate or proving creation will change their heart to one that is called of God in Christ. For this reason I believe we need to be focusing on being students/disciples of Jesus, instead of dabbling in creation proofs and arguments.

Those not of God are not able to hear Him, receive Him, or desire to know how they measure up to the standards God has called His children to.

And, we all who are to be saved among the number of the sons of God that sang for joy at the Creation? The AENT seems to support that view? Can't say it was worded the same from the Greek...

What do you think?
Walkinginlove

Danville, VA

#13 Feb 11, 2013
It is God's desire that NONE be lost how is it that his desire that none be lost and his pre-selection of some to choose hell coexist? If some have been chosen for saving then some have been chosen for hell.

If it is God's desire that none be lost but it is also his fault that many are lost then how can his statement be true?

If free will plays no part then God's statement is false and if it is false then nothing God says can be trusted.

Free will of man decides if he chooses life or death and it will be man who will be at fault not God for those lost on the day of judgment.

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#14 Feb 11, 2013
Walkinginlove wrote:
It is God's desire that NONE be lost how is it that his desire that none be lost and his pre-selection of some to choose hell coexist? If some have been chosen for saving then some have been chosen for hell.
If it is God's desire that none be lost but it is also his fault that many are lost then how can his statement be true?
If free will plays no part then God's statement is false and if it is false then nothing God says can be trusted.
Free will of man decides if he chooses life or death and it will be man who will be at fault not God for those lost on the day of judgment.
Yep. But this makes no sense to Calvinist

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