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#1 Jul 21, 2014
Is Jesus your Lord and Savior are just your Savior?

Bobby's seminary founder and therefore Church founder, who as an Episcopalian was put on trial as a heretic Lewis Sperry Chafer, believed that Jesus was Lord and Savior.

MacArthur and the other Calvinists says the the Dallas Theological Seminary has taught error all this years

What about it. Is Jesus Lord and Savior or just Savior?

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#2 Jul 21, 2014
I got that one backwards Its hard to remember what sides you protesters are on.

Lewis Sperry Chafer, taught Jesus was not your Lord, just your savior.
Bobby

Mansfield, TX

#3 Jul 21, 2014
Lordship salvation is an Armenian position, not evangelical. Even the term evangelical crosses a lot of boundaries and is not confined to a particular denomination.

Lordship Salvation is the doctrinal position that receiving Christ involves a strong emphasis on the initial commitment of the sinner to obey the Law of God and repent as a condition for salvation.

Barnsweb and Mike both fit that description to some degree. Most churches including catholics accept various parts of this view. To some it is a big deal, to others is is a mute issue.

http://www.faithalone.org/magazine/y2006/06so...
William

Birmingham, AL

#4 Jul 21, 2014
Bobby wrote:
Lordship salvation is an Armenian position, not evangelical. Even the term evangelical crosses a lot of boundaries and is not confined to a particular denomination.

Lordship Salvation is the doctrinal position that receiving Christ involves a strong emphasis on the initial commitment of the sinner to obey the Law of God and repent as a condition for salvation.

Barnsweb and Mike both fit that description to some degree. Most churches including catholics accept various parts of this view. To some it is a big deal, to others is is a mute issue.

http://www.faithalone.org/magazine/y2006/06so...
MacArthur believes it:

http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/salvatio...

He's no different than any other works-based religion. No matter what name it is called.
Bobby

Mansfield, TX

#5 Jul 21, 2014
William wrote:
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MacArthur believes it:
http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/salvatio...
He's no different than any other works-based religion. No matter what name it is called.
Well, my church does not. Like I said there is a lot of crossover with that. Works for salvation is more common than salvation by grace thru faith. Even Mike believes it. You don't hear me promoting it...

By the way there is a bible preacher "rob Bell" who teaches that in the end all people will be saved. That is closer to Unitarian and far from where we are. Google "rob bell love wins". I brought this to the attention of our church, they agreed with me that he was going off the deep end-but that was the last I heard. So, yes, not all bible churches teach the exact same things. I actually know people in our church who came from middletown.

Watch Mike turn this into a circus...
Jimmy Crack Corn

Charlottesville, VA

#6 Jul 21, 2014
John M doesn't have a view of Lordship salvation as the Armenians. Trust Jimmy Crack Corn on this cause I have so many personalities that I know who you don't know and who do know. John M was blasted for Lordship salvation and said to teach something he does not. He is far from teaching a works gospel cause I know. All 36 of me know well I have to get me down to a few so you wont get confused. Where is Catholic RC Sproul when I need him
Jimmy Crack Corn

UK

#7 Jul 21, 2014
Jimmy Crack Corn wrote:
John M doesn't have a view of Lordship salvation as the Armenians. Trust Jimmy Crack Corn on this cause I have so many personalities that I know who you don't know and who do know. John M was blasted for Lordship salvation and said to teach something he does not. He is far from teaching a works gospel cause I know. All 36 of me know well I have to get me down to a few so you wont get confused. Where is Catholic RC Sproul when I need him
If you must try to imitate poor English Randy at least do a more believable job of it. Are you still living out of your car?
Jimmy Crack Corn

Charlottesville, VA

#8 Jul 21, 2014
bingo. you are SW. ha

now lets come clean
Jimmy Crack Corn

Charlottesville, VA

#9 Jul 21, 2014
no you have me confuse with DAve
Jimmy Crack Corn

Charlottesville, VA

#10 Jul 21, 2014
why did you pull from here when you had so much to offer.
Jimmy Crack Corn

Charlottesville, VA

#11 Jul 21, 2014
come back as who you are don't be afraid f JR and them
Jimmy Crack Corn

UK

#12 Jul 21, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
I got that one backwards Its hard to remember what sides you protesters are on.
Lewis Sperry Chafer, taught Jesus was not your Lord, just your savior.
It's understandable, most of what you post on here is backwards.
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#13 Jul 21, 2014
According to what Bobby linked to, I would be a lordship salvation guy. The whole reformed grace ALONE faith ALONE Christ ALONE is error IMHO.

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#15 Jul 21, 2014
Bobby wrote:
Lordship salvation is an Armenian position, not evangelical. Even the term evangelical crosses a lot of boundaries and is not confined to a particular denomination.
Lordship Salvation is the doctrinal position that receiving Christ involves a strong emphasis on the initial commitment of the sinner to obey the Law of God and repent as a condition for salvation.
Barnsweb and Mike both fit that description to some degree. Most churches including catholics accept various parts of this view. To some it is a big deal, to others is is a mute issue.
http://www.faithalone.org/magazine/y2006/06so...
To the ones who believe Jesus is not Lord it is a mute issue.

To the Church Jesus started it is a salvation issue.

Jesus is Lord and Savior. You must follow him. In the final judgement you will not be judged by what you do.

The inventor of your Seminary and therefore your Community is despised by your fellow protesters for thinking believing that Jesus is not Lord
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Of course your seminary now grant degrees for anything you want to believe. You pay your money and they will get you a degree.

Then they go out attacking the other degrees and try to get their followers into their pews.

Where is this Unity in Diversity? Only when attacking the Church is there unity among wolves.
Bobby

Mansfield, TX

#16 Jul 22, 2014
There are some people who are dividers not uniters- they leave a cesspool in their wake. Yes Jesus is Lord, he is God, he is King, master, ruler, savior and dozens of other references.

Where the division comes, is to try to use titles in a way to divide. Saying Jesus is Lord should not be a divisive title. I have some business cards where I say "Jesus is Lord". I believe he is Lord over all. Some seek to use that term in connection to works based salvation which I believe is a misuse of the title.

The title I like is Savior. Because he came to save sinners. The title sinners fits all of us.
Bobby

Mansfield, TX

#17 Jul 22, 2014
Watch out! There are wolves in the sheep pen who like to use the strategy of "divide an concur".

Divide and conquer is an approach to a problem or task, attempting to achieve an objective by breaking it into smaller parts. Often it is used to separate a force that would be stronger if united, or to cause confusion amongst rival factions. Divide and conquer has applications in many areas, from political science to economic and military strategy.

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#18 Jul 22, 2014
Bobby wrote:
There are some people who are dividers not uniters- they leave a cesspool in their wake. Yes Jesus is Lord, he is God, he is King, master, ruler, savior and dozens of other references.
Where the division comes, is to try to use titles in a way to divide. Saying Jesus is Lord should not be a divisive title. I have some business cards where I say "Jesus is Lord". I believe he is Lord over all. Some seek to use that term in connection to works based salvation which I believe is a misuse of the title.
The title I like is Savior. Because he came to save sinners. The title sinners fits all of us.
The ones that you say are dividers say you are a divider.

Are you right and they are wrong.?

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#19 Jul 22, 2014
Bobby wrote:
Watch out! There are wolves in the sheep pen who like to use the strategy of "divide an concur".
Divide and conquer is an approach to a problem or task, attempting to achieve an objective by breaking it into smaller parts. Often it is used to separate a force that would be stronger if united, or to cause confusion amongst rival factions. Divide and conquer has applications in many areas, from political science to economic and military strategy.
Are you dividing and conquering are or the protesters who say what you believe is wrong dividing and conquering.

You protesters are the ones who are stealing each other members.

We are taking your pastors.
Bobby

Mansfield, TX

#21 Jul 22, 2014
"Anyone who attempts to construe a personal view of God which conflicts with Church dogma must be burned without pity."

- Pope Innocent III

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/esp...

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#22 Jul 22, 2014
Bobby wrote:
"Anyone who attempts to construe a personal view of God which conflicts with Church dogma must be burned without pity."
- Pope Innocent III
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/esp...
I think you are using some information from the internet that may be a little wrong. I know you think everything on there is right when it fits your belief, sort of like that Catholic book.

Please give me the document where that Pope said that. I don't think you can. The Church keeps great records.

Innocent III was one of the greatest Popes.

I got the records printed out for the outrageous stuff you have posted. I will add this one.

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