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#21 Oct 4, 2013
Roman Catholic Sproul wrote:
<quoted text> Mark "potty mouth "Eden or any Catholic for that matter doesn't have any room to talk about prot elders with priests and bishops like they have. Their indiscretions are overlooked by Catholics because they have been brainwashed into thinking they are the only saved people. Anything goes with this bunch as long as you say you are Catholic. I feel sorry for the altar boys, most probably can't escape the Catholic priests and bishops.
Take the log out of your eye. It is a society problem.

You must have a fantasy on this subject.

From Billy Graham's grandson who is lawyer trying to protect Protestant Children from their pastors.

"While comparing evangelicals to Catholics on abuse response,”I think we are worse,” he said at the Religion Newswriters Association conference, saying too many evangelicals had “sacrificed the souls” of young victims.

“Protestants can be very arrogant when pointing to Catholics,” said Tchividjian, a grandson of evangelist Billy Graham and executive director of Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment (GRACE), which has investigated sex abuse allegations.

Earlier this summer, GRACE spearheaded an online petition decrying the “silence” and “inattention” of evangelical leaders to sexual abuse in their churches.

"Abusers discourage whistle-blowing by condemning gossip to try to keep people from reporting abuse, he said. Victims are also told to protect the reputation of Jesus.

Too many Protestant institutions have sacrificed souls in order to protect their institutions, he said.”We’ve got the Gospels backwards,” he said.

Tchividjian said he is speaking with Pepperdine University, a Church of Christ-affiliated school in California, about creating a national GRACE center."
Roman Catholic Sproul

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#22 Oct 4, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
Take the log out of your eye. It is a society problem.
You must have a fantasy on this subject.
From Billy Graham's grandson who is lawyer trying to protect Protestant Children from their pastors.
"While comparing evangelicals to Catholics on abuse response,”I think we are worse,” he said at the Religion Newswriters Association conference, saying too many evangelicals had “sacrificed the souls” of young victims.
“Protestants can be very arrogant when pointing to Catholics,” said Tchividjian, a grandson of evangelist Billy Graham and executive director of Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment (GRACE), which has investigated sex abuse allegations.
Earlier this summer, GRACE spearheaded an online petition decrying the “silence” and “inattention” of evangelical leaders to sexual abuse in their churches.
"Abusers discourage whistle-blowing by condemning gossip to try to keep people from reporting abuse, he said. Victims are also told to protect the reputation of Jesus.
Too many Protestant institutions have sacrificed souls in order to protect their institutions, he said.”We’ve got the Gospels backwards,” he said.
Tchividjian said he is speaking with Pepperdine University, a Church of Christ-affiliated school in California, about creating a national GRACE center."
Speculation and it is admitted in some of the stories I came across. Why is it speculation? Because he has failed to prosecute on the scale Catholics have been. He is a poor prosecutor or is speculating. Another reason is the protestants have not paid out billions of dollars and more still to come in compensation. It is the Catholic "sweep it under the rug" mentality that needs to be addressed. "It's a society problem", duh. Is the church different or not? You can't have it both ways. You ignore the history of your own church and spin everything in a positive light while bashing everyone else.

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#23 Oct 4, 2013
Roman Catholic Sproul wrote:
<quoted text>Speculation and it is admitted in some of the stories I came across. Why is it speculation? Because he has failed to prosecute on the scale Catholics have been. He is a poor prosecutor or is speculating. Another reason is the protestants have not paid out billions of dollars and more still to come in compensation. It is the Catholic "sweep it under the rug" mentality that needs to be addressed. "It's a society problem", duh. Is the church different or not? You can't have it both ways. You ignore the history of your own church and spin everything in a positive light while bashing everyone else.
You are the one who constantly brings up the subject when your own groups have the same issue. It is all sad.

The Media ignore the Protestant problem because they are now considered irrelevant in Christianity in the public square. Split up too much. No leaders.

Insurance companies agree with his speculation.

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#24 Oct 4, 2013
Everything theses two false church boys say is a lie. Mark and Mike are deceived. Go here > http://www.bereanbeacon.org/ to see what a former priest says. Tons of info that refutes everything these two boys say
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#25 Oct 4, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
You are the one who constantly brings up the subject when your own groups have the same issue. It is all sad.
The Media ignore the Protestant problem because they are now considered irrelevant in Christianity in the public square. Split up too much. No leaders.
Insurance companies agree with his speculation.
Protestants certainly are not immune to that problem or any other, I don't believe you think I am saying that. True, it is sad. I like everyone else Christian or otherwise look to priests and clergy to be spiritually stronger than we are and that is the reason they are in that position. Just like we expect a policeman not to be the biggest crook there is. We expect then to be honest if they are going to enforce the law and when they aren't it looks especially worse than criminal conduct. Priests and cops are human but we place our best in those positions not our worst. The insurance companies are at no risk. I understand the Catholic church is picking up the tab. I am sure Catholic lawyers would be filing suit in court tomorrow if insurance companies charged them more. The way the insurance companies handle it is raise everyones rates and the last you will hear are the Catholics complain. The truth is the Catholics have committed this act far more than other churches. When Protestants are caught the media has no mercy on them either regardless of the indiscretion. You may remember years ago maybe thirty or forty when a Catholic priest was brought down by a woman. It also caught the headlines. Turns out she had brought down other priests as well. Quite a hobby for the young lady,hmmmmm. Point is the press will gladly jump on any fault of any church Prot or Catholic, remember Swaggart and Baker. The Catholics have gotten not near as much coverage as they should have because they have enough money to cover it up better than the low class (broke) prots with their sealed court settlements. Billions of dollars spent on tis tell us something doesn't it? It is a serious problem still present in the Catholic church and denied by them. You can't say one thing about Protestants with your churches history.
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#26 Oct 4, 2013
There is a video on you tube named“Baptist sees the truth from Johnny Robertson 2”Where a guy named Joe H at the Sims Church of Christ This church/building I think is in Sims Georgia referred to himself as Joseph to to Johnny Robertson made some interesting remarks to questions that he was asked by a poster Some questions were:
How do you feel about your brother Johnny Robertson when he chose to make the accusations against the underaged girls he discussed this with Charles Roark of WGSR TV a person Johnny Robertson has said is going to Hell. Johnny giggled during this conversation with Roark do you think that is appropriate.

Since you call Johnny Robertson brother I'm wondering when you see underaged girls dancing in ballerina outfits would you agree with Johnny Robertson accusations that they are showing themselves and their panties to the men?
Decent MEN do not see underaged girls nor anyone else dancing in ballerina outfits and believe they are showing&#65279; panties and themselves to the men Again do you see such things when you see a ballerina outfit. Would your God make such accusations and giggle at times when he discusses it

Joe would you discuss children on TV or anywhere else in this&#65279; manner? If so would you discuss children in such a way with a person you had said was going to hell.

Hello Blogger as well. Those young girls were doing nothing wrong wearing a ballerina outfit their parents nor them have done nothing wrong. Most people I know of DO NOT LOOK AT GIRLS IN BALLERINA OUTFITS AND ACCUSE THEM OF SHOWING THEMSELVES AND THEIR PANTIES TO MEN. So by your comment does this mean that you too think girls dancing in ballerina&#65279; outfits are showing themselves to the men. I personally think it takes a sick mind to judge children in that way

Dressing in a ballerina outfit and dancing the ballet is not indecent dress and why in the world would any man think such a thing when they see this? I think&#65279; parents should be mindful of the men that has these thoughts in their mind. The child is not the guilty party here it is the man that has such thoughts

You have a right to your belief on how you think women/girls should be dressed I do not think you or any other person has a right to make false accusatios horrible accusations against innocent children/girls Do you think you see panties when girls are dancing in ballerina outfits? If so&#65279; how is that possible Johnny Robertson should have been arrested for the accusations he made against the girls at The First Christian Church in Kernersville NC Those girls were innocent

Blogger Joe since you agree with Johnny Robertson about the girls dancing in ballerina outfits are showing panties and themselves to men and seem to be putting the blame on the parents what if a child molester&#65279; molested a child and the child was wearing shorts/sunsuit/bathing suit would you put the blame on the parent or the child molester? Would that child be showing themselves to the men as Johnny claims the ballerina dancers were doing. Do you really approve of the words used by Johnny R.
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#27 Oct 4, 2013
It seems by his comments that Joe H on youtube is in agreement with Johnny Robertson concerning the accusations Johnny Robertson made against innocent children. Some of his comments were:

Joe H said:
Hi there blogger, I respect your position, however, I will agree that those young girls should not&#65279; be held responsible for their dress, their parent are responsible. Needless to say, our society have drift so far into sin and depraved thinking unto the point that most people simply just don't know the difference between decency and right wrong (just like Romans chapter one predicted). God bless.

Joe H said:
Hi there (FCS), In a world of SIN and child pornography you can't be to careful . As a believer in God and the Bible as his&#65279; holy word, God set the rules for decent dress for both sex (Male & Female) because of mankind sin nature. Nevertheless, I think parents should be mindful of how their young ones dress
Joe H said:
I will agree that women/girls should be modestly dress. Thanks

Joe H said:
suit would you put the blame on the parent or the child molester..) God forbid, we wouldn't want something like that to take places, don't we?.. Surly not! Nevertheless, how our children dress and behave ultimately reflect on the parent in many cases. God said in his word "Women dress modestly"-- 1 Tim 2;9---- that mean no bating suits in public, no overly overt dresses, and so&#65279; on. Hey, do we dress to please our selves are The Lord.. Stay blessed blessed.

Joe H said:
Hi (FCS) I think we both agreed that we have&#65279; different worldviews on this particular subject, however, I would be more than happy to address the issue. Howbeit, I didn't see the video are the footage of those young girls in the process of dancing in their ballerina uniforms, until then, I will reserve judgment. Moreover, I think you are sitting up a straw man argument by stating; verbatim (....what if a child molester molested a child and the child was wearing shorts/sunsuit/bathing-----par ­t2--

Joe H said:
Ok Blogger, I Think we have different worldviews on this situation. Nevertheless, it was interesting having this exchange with you, and I Hope God bless you in your quest for wisdom. Take care.
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#28 Oct 4, 2013
There is a video on you tube named “Baptist sees the truth from Johnny Robertson 2”
Where a guy named Joe H at the Sims Church of Christ This church/building I think is in Sims Georgia referred to himself as Joseph to to Johnny Robertson made some interesting remarks to questions that he was asked by a poster.

Some of the questions were:

How do you feel about your brother Johnny Robertson when he chose to make the accusations against the underaged girls he discussed this with Charles Roark of WGSR TV a person Johnny Robertson has said is going to Hell. Johnny giggled during&#65279; this conversation with Roark do you think that is appropriate.

Since you call Johnny Robertson brother I'm wondering when you see underaged girls&#65279; dancing in ballerina outfits dancing would you agree with Johnny Robertson accusations that they are showing themselves and their panties to the men?

Decent MEN do not see underaged girls nor anyone else dancing in ballerina outfits and believe they are showing&#65279; panties and themselves to the men Again do you see such things when you see a ballerina outfit. Would your God make such accusations and giggle at times when he discusses it

Joe would you discuss children on TV or anywhere else in this&#65279; manner? If so would you discuss children in such a way with a person you had said was going to hell.

Hello Blogger as well. Those young girls were doing nothing wrong wearing a ballerina outfit their parents nor them have done nothing wrong. Most people I know of DO NOT LOOK AT GIRLS IN BALLERINA OUTFITS AND ACCUSE THEM OF SHOWING THEMSELVES AND THEIR PANTIES TO MEN. So by your comment does this mean that you too think girls dancing in ballerina&#65279; outfits are showing themselves to the men. I personally think it takes a sick mind to judge children in that way.

Dressing in a ballerina outfit and dancing the ballet is not indecent dress and why in the world would any man think such a thing when they see this? I think&#65279; parents should be mindful of the men that has these thoughts in their mind. The child is not the guilty party
here it is the man that has such thoughts

You have a right to your belief on how you think women/girls should be dressed I do not think you or any other person has a right to make false accusatios horrible accusations against innocent children/girls Do you think you see panties when girls are dancing in ballerina outfits? If so&#65279; how is that possible Johnny Robertson should have been arrested for the accusations he made against the girls at The First Christian Church in Kernersville NC Those girls were innocent

Blogger Joe since you agree with Johnny Robertson about the girls dancing in ballerina outfits are showing panties and themselves to men and seem to be putting the blame on the parents what if a child molester&#65279; molested a child and the child was wearing shorts/sunsuit/bathing suit would you put the blame on the parent or the child molester? Would that child be showing themselves to the men as Johnny claims the ballerina dancers were doing. Do you really approve of the words used by Johnny R.
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#29 Oct 4, 2013
It seems by his comments that Joe is in agreement with Johnny Robertson concerning the accusations Johnny Robertson made against innocent children. Some of his comments were:

Joe H said:
Hi there blogger, I respect your position, however, I will agree that those young girls should not&#65279; be held responsible for their dress, their parent are responsible. Needless to say, our society have drift so far into sin and depraved thinking unto the point that most people simply just don't know the difference between decency and right wrong (just like Romans chapter one predicted). God bless.

Joe H said:
Hi there (FCS), In a world of SIN and child pornography you can't be to careful . As a believer in God and the Bible as his&#65279; holy word, God set the rules for decent dress for both sex (Male & Female) because of mankind sin nature. Nevertheless, I think parents should be mindful of how their young ones dress

Joe H said:
I&#65279; will agree that women/girls should be modestly dress. Thanks

Joe H said:
suit would you put the blame on the parent or the child molester..) God forbid, we wouldn't want something like that to take places, don't we?.. Surly not! Nevertheless, how our children dress and behave ultimately reflect on the parent in many cases. God said in his word "Women dress modestly"-- 1 Tim 2;9---- that mean no bating suits in public, no overly overt dresses, and so&#65279; on. Hey, do we dress to please our selves are The Lord.. Stay blessed blessed.

Joe H said:
Hi (FCS) I think we both agreed that we have&#65279; different worldviews on this particular subject, however, I would be more than happy to address the issue. Howbeit, I didn't see the video are the footage of those young girls in the process of dancing in their ballerina uniforms, until then, I will reserve judgment. Moreover, I think you are sitting up a straw man argument by stating; verbatim (....what if a child molester molested a child and the child was wearing shorts/sunsuit/bathing-----par ­t2--

Joe H. said:
Ok Blogger, I Think we have different worldviews on this situation. Nevertheless, it was interesting having this exchange with you, and I Hope God bless you in your quest for&#65279; wisdom. Take care.

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#30 Oct 4, 2013
Answering Catholics wrote:
Everything theses two false church boys say is a lie. Mark and Mike are deceived. Go here > http://www.bereanbeacon.org/ to see what a former priest says. Tons of info that refutes everything these two boys say
Cult site.

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#31 Oct 4, 2013
Roman Catholic Sproul wrote:
<quoted text>Protestants certainly are not immune to that problem or any other, I don't believe you think I am saying that. True, it is sad. I like everyone else Christian or otherwise look to priests and clergy to be spiritually stronger than we are and that is the reason they are in that position. Just like we expect a policeman not to be the biggest crook there is. We expect then to be honest if they are going to enforce the law and when they aren't it looks especially worse than criminal conduct. Priests and cops are human but we place our best in those positions not our worst. The insurance companies are at no risk. I understand the Catholic church is picking up the tab. I am sure Catholic lawyers would be filing suit in court tomorrow if insurance companies charged them more. The way the insurance companies handle it is raise everyones rates and the last you will hear are the Catholics complain. The truth is the Catholics have committed this act far more than other churches. When Protestants are caught the media has no mercy on them either regardless of the indiscretion. You may remember years ago maybe thirty or forty when a Catholic priest was brought down by a woman. It also caught the headlines. Turns out she had brought down other priests as well. Quite a hobby for the young lady,hmmmmm. Point is the press will gladly jump on any fault of any church Prot or Catholic, remember Swaggart and Baker. The Catholics have gotten not near as much coverage as they should have because they have enough money to cover it up better than the low class (broke) prots with their sealed court settlements. Billions of dollars spent on tis tell us something doesn't it? It is a serious problem still present in the Catholic church and denied by them. You can't say one thing about Protestants with your churches history.
Protestant history in this regard is absolutely no different than any other organization where adults interact with children. And you are a grade A piece of Sproulist sh*t for constantly saying otherwise. Frankly, you bring it up so much it looks like you are attempting to deflect attention from your own ventures in extra curricular paedocommunion.

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#32 Oct 4, 2013
Guess whose name pops up first on the list of "Prominent Paedocommunionists?"
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#33 Oct 4, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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Protestant history in this regard is absolutely no different than any other organization where adults interact with children. And you are a grade A piece of Sproulist sh*t for constantly saying otherwise. Frankly, you bring it up so much it looks like you are attempting to deflect attention from your own ventures in extra curricular paedocommunion.
You again show your ignorance of your own Catholic church. I wasn't speaking of a child here when I said "young Lady" but young woman would have been more correct. If you weren't in such of a constant stage of denial you would know who I am talking about. As old as you are maybe bouncing you noggin against the wall will jar your memory. It was an attractive young black woman and I am not sure but Atlanta comes to mind. The priest fell from grace is a phrase some use, I don't care for it, but when it was revealed they found out the woman had brought other priests down. Don't get me wrong on paedocommunion, I think if they are believers eligible for baptism they should share in communion as a matter of doctrine. They go together. Of course no one in their right mind believes what you Catholics teach about baptism. Answer this oh great one since the both of you so gracefully avoided the question. Did your church practice paedocommunion for the first 1200 years?
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#34 Oct 4, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
Guess whose name pops up first on the list of "Prominent Paedocommunionists?"
Who? I don't keep up with it.

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#35 Oct 4, 2013
Roman Catholic Sproul wrote:
<quoted text>Who? I don't keep up with it.
Like hell you don't.

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#36 Oct 4, 2013
I'm sure none of you in the Church of Christ realize Roman Catholic Sproul and Anonymous Proxy are one and the same poster. The Sproul family business is bashing Catholics when they aren't being defrocked by the Presbyterian Church. Defrocking didn't stop them...they just made up their own Presbyterian denomination so they could practice Calvinism, infant baptism, paedocommunion and bashing Catholics in peace.
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#37 Oct 4, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
<quoted text>
Like hell you don't.
I think I will step away from the screen for a while to fight crime and work at saving the world. Be back in about an hour to see what you thought of my links about the Catholic murder at the Vatican and why the previous Pope resigned. You sound a little irate, I bet the fishing for suckers went poorly today.

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