The Word of God didnít come by the Catholic Church

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This, to me, is the biggest lie and falsehood of all. Countless times we have been told that the RCC gave us the New Testament. I wonder why they do not take credit for the Old Testament?

All 27 books of the New Testament as well as the 39 books of the Old Testament were in use and in general circulation at least 300 years before the Council of Carthage listed them. Everyone was well aware of what constituted the New Testament and what did not.

In 266 AD, Synod of Antioch denounced the doctrine of Paul of Samosata as ďforeign to the ecclesiastical CANON.Ē Canon? Yes, CANON.

Perhaps our Catholic friends can tell us who actually wrote Hebrews, Job, Esther, or even some of the Psalms for that matter. Surely, if they have some gift of God, they can tell us the Authors of such. Why permit Books not knowing who wrote them? The reason: the books were already accepted by the church and already in circulation.

The fact is, the Old Testament was complete and in circulation long before there was ever such a thing is the Roman Catholic Church. Likewise, itís easy to conclude that the RCC did not give us the New Testament either. The Gospels and epistles were circulating in Asia, Syria, and Alexandria, and being read and discussed in the Christian synagogues and assemblies around 100 AD.

In Polycarpís letter to the Philippians there is an astonishing amount of direct and indirect quotation from the New Testament: Matthew, Luke, and John, Acts, the letters to the Galatians, Thessalonians, Corinthians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, Romans, the Pastorals, I Peter particularly, and I and II John.

Oh, Polycarpís letter was written around 110 to 140 AD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycarp 's_letter_to_the_Philippians
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This, to me, is the biggest lie and falsehood of all. Countless times we have been told that the RCC gave us the New Testament. I wonder why they do not take credit for the Old Testament?
All 27 books of the New Testament as well as the 39 books of the Old Testament were in use and in general circulation at least 300 years before the Council of Carthage listed them. Everyone was well aware of what constituted the New Testament and what did not.
In 266 AD, Synod of Antioch denounced the doctrine of Paul of Samosata as ďforeign to the ecclesiastical CANON.Ē Canon? Yes, CANON.
Perhaps our Catholic friends can tell us who actually wrote Hebrews, Job, Esther, or even some of the Psalms for that matter. Surely, if they have some gift of God, they can tell us the Authors of such. Why permit Books not knowing who wrote them? The reason: the books were already accepted by the church and already in circulation.
The fact is, the Old Testament was complete and in circulation long before there was ever such a thing is the Roman Catholic Church. Likewise, itís easy to conclude that the RCC did not give us the New Testament either. The Gospels and epistles were circulating in Asia, Syria, and Alexandria, and being read and discussed in the Christian synagogues and assemblies around 100 AD.
In Polycarpís letter to the Philippians there is an astonishing amount of direct and indirect quotation from the New Testament: Matthew, Luke, and John, Acts, the letters to the Galatians, Thessalonians, Corinthians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, Romans, the Pastorals, I Peter particularly, and I and II John.
Oh, Polycarpís letter was written around 110 to 140 AD.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycarp 's_letter_to_the_Philippians
What the CC did was organized what they believe were Canon and not canon, for the NT. To Catholics this is the Bible. The words of the prophet are there, but they never really think about it. The problem with the NT, is that they, Roman Pagan Gentiles, debated what book were "worthy" of being Canon and places into the NT. Many books were banned from the Apostles. The writing s of Peter, Thomas, James, ETC ETC. Part of the reason is that Jesus had a "human" side that the CC did not want people to see. What the CC failed to see is that this is one of the many reason why Jesus came. To show us what we has "human" can and will do the same Miracles that Jesus did. Jesus said it, we are gods. Jesus was ask, what does god look like. if you have see me, you have see the Father. DNA, made in his image. E=MC2.

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JC and KJ are two peas in a pod.
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MarkEden wrote:
JC and KJ are two peas in a pod.
OK, If that is the case, please tell me why it is called KING JAMES VERSION. Remember the key word is VERSION.

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<quoted text> OK, If that is the case, please tell me why it is called KING JAMES VERSION. Remember the key word is VERSION.
Why on earth would you think the key word is version? King James will be mighty offended. Its real, original name is "THE HOLY BIBLE, Containing the Old Testament, AND THE NEW: Newly Translated out of the Original tongues: & with the former Translations diligently compared and revised, by his Majesties special Commandment".

The founder of the Church of Christ, Alexander Campbell, didn't like this New Testament and created his own, changing and leaving out words. For instance, the word "church" does not appear in Campbell's New Testament. If I'm not mistaken the words "baptize" and "baptism" don't appear either.
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Why on earth would you think the key word is version? King James will be mighty offended. Its real, original name is "THE HOLY BIBLE, Containing the Old Testament, AND THE NEW: Newly Translated out of the Original tongues: & with the former Translations diligently compared and revised, by his Majesties special Commandment".
The founder of the Church of Christ, Alexander Campbell, didn't like this New Testament and created his own, changing and leaving out words. For instance, the word "church" does not appear in Campbell's New Testament. If I'm not mistaken the words "baptize" and "baptism" don't appear either.
Again, the question is why is it called the King James Version. You can go to any book store and this is the title. Can you answer the question, or are you afraid to learn the TRUTH. HA HA. "The truth is out there." For some one who claims history, you drop the ball.
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This, to me, is the biggest lie and falsehood of all. Countless times we have been told that the RCC gave us the New Testament. I wonder why they do not take credit for the Old Testament?
All 27 books of the New Testament as well as the 39 books of the Old Testament were in use and in general circulation at least 300 years before the Council of Carthage listed them. Everyone was well aware of what constituted the New Testament and what did not.
In 266 AD, Synod of Antioch denounced the doctrine of Paul of Samosata as ďforeign to the ecclesiastical CANON.Ē Canon? Yes, CANON.
Perhaps our Catholic friends can tell us who actually wrote Hebrews, Job, Esther, or even some of the Psalms for that matter.
Surely, if they have some gift of God, they can tell us the Authors of such. Why permit Books not knowing who wrote them? The reason: the books were already accepted by the church and already in circulation.
The fact is, the Old Testament was complete and in circulation long before there was ever such a thing is the Roman Catholic Church. Likewise, itís easy to conclude that the RCC did not give us the New Testament either. The Gospels and epistles were circulating in Asia, Syria, and Alexandria, and being read and discussed in the Christian synagogues and assemblies around 100 AD.
In Polycarpís letter to the Philippians there is an astonishing amount of direct and indirect quotation from the New Testament: Matthew, Luke, and John, Acts, the letters to the Galatians, Thessalonians, Corinthians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, Romans, the Pastorals, I Peter particularly, and I and II John.
Oh, Polycarpís letter was written around 110 to 140 AD.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycarp 's_letter_to_the_Philippians
Hey Creed.

Why is the Didache not in the Bible or the Shepherd of Hermas? Why is Jude considered inspired and not Paul's letter to the Laodiceans?

There were over 300 scriptures being read in Churches before AD 390. Why weren't all of these in the Bible.

Give me a PO box. I can send you some History lessons.

You might want to learn about the Bible a little. How a copy of a Bible was made for a 1050 years before the printing press when the fist book every printed was the Latin Vulgate edition of the Bible commonly called the Gutenberg Bible after the Catholic who invented the printing press.

But of course every Christian in the world was a Catholic before 1500.

Your ancestors were Catholics if they were Christians.

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Give me an email address and I will give you my mailing address.

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<quoted text> Again, the question is why is it called the King James Version. You can go to any book store and this is the title. Can you answer the question, or are you afraid to learn the TRUTH. HA HA. "The truth is out there." For some one who claims history, you drop the ball.
Off the meds again?
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Off the meds again?
That is all you can do, Insult. The question still remain unanswered by you and Mike. Are you guy afraid of something. By the way, E=MC2 confirms the Prophets, and what Jesus said. You guy have faith only in what you been taught, not by what the book and the Universe says together. I'll still be waiting for your answer. HA HA HA. You both are funny. P.S. Remember, I am Catholic and was raise by the strict code of the teaching of the CC.

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<quoted text>That is all you can do, Insult. The question still remain unanswered by you and Mike. Are you guy afraid of something. By the way, E=MC2 confirms the Prophets, and what Jesus said. You guy have faith only in what you been taught, not by what the book and the Universe says together. I'll still be waiting for your answer. HA HA HA. You both are funny. P.S. Remember, I am Catholic and was raise by the strict code of the teaching of the CC.
If you are intelligent enough to understand E=MC2 then you are certainly bright enough not to ask such stupid questions and make such ridiculous assertions. And as for you being Catholic, one day you say you are and the next day you deny the very core teachings of the Magisterium. The Anonymous P creature claims you as one of his own.
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This, to me, is the biggest lie and falsehood of all. Countless times we have been told that the RCC gave us the New Testament. I wonder why they do not take credit for the Old Testament?
All 27 books of the New Testament as well as the 39 books of the Old Testament were in use and in general circulation at least 300 years before the Council of Carthage listed them. Everyone was well aware of what constituted the New Testament and what did not.
In 266 AD, Synod of Antioch denounced the doctrine of Paul of Samosata as ďforeign to the ecclesiastical CANON.Ē Canon? Yes, CANON.
Perhaps our Catholic friends can tell us who actually wrote Hebrews, Job, Esther, or even some of the Psalms for that matter. Surely, if they have some gift of God, they can tell us the Authors of such. Why permit Books not knowing who wrote them? The reason: the books were already accepted by the church and already in circulation.
The fact is, the Old Testament was complete and in circulation long before there was ever such a thing is the Roman Catholic Church. Likewise, itís easy to conclude that the RCC did not give us the New Testament either. The Gospels and epistles were circulating in Asia, Syria, and Alexandria, and being read and discussed in the Christian synagogues and assemblies around 100 AD.
In Polycarpís letter to the Philippians there is an astonishing amount of direct and indirect quotation from the New Testament: Matthew, Luke, and John, Acts, the letters to the Galatians, Thessalonians, Corinthians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, Romans, the Pastorals, I Peter particularly, and I and II John.
Oh, Polycarpís letter was written around 110 to 140 AD.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycarp 's_letter_to_the_Philippians
According to the records, the earliest Church records of the Ebionites (the poor), which was the church in Jerusalem under James, only accepted Matthew as the Scripture for the gospel account. The specifically refused any writing of Paul and considered Luke and Mark lessor accounts because they were not written by one of the Apostles - but merely from disciples taught by someone else - Luke was specifically quite the early issue due to its being written by a disciple of Paul, and they refused to hear Paul.
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You can think I'm a nut and disagree, but facts are facts. Guess it's a matter of whose history you want to hear, or whose gospel for that matter.

If Peter, James and John are correct, there is only one gospel that was delivered for all time and we'd do best to earnestly contend for it, rather than a Saul come lately.

Anyone else ever see the parallels between the two Sauls' of the Bible?;-) Quite interesting.
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If you are intelligent enough to understand E=MC2 then you are certainly bright enough not to ask such stupid questions and make such ridiculous assertions. And as for you being Catholic, one day you say you are and the next day you deny the very core teachings of the Magisterium. The Anonymous P creature claims you as one of his own.
You are still twisting things around. The question stands, why is it called KING JAMES VERSION. Everybody know what E=MC2 is. The next question, what does it mean. If you know what Jesus said and what the prophets said maybe you'll understand. Like one of the Great prophet said that "the Lord knows who you are by the hairs on your head". E=MC2. I love the bible, I think it is one of the greatest science books That was written to allow God to be revealed. You go keep on believing in your superstition.

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