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Dave P

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#41
May 9, 2013
 
Ask away sir. Yes I preach.
Bobby

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May 9, 2013
 
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This is completely erroneous Mike. It is too bad you refuse to see it. First, an apostle DOES mention the scripture. Peter did, and he acknowledged back in the mid 60s AD that the things Paul wrote were scripture.
Peter was not left with authority to decide faith and morals, as can be easily seen through reading the scriptures. God inspired the scriptures to be written, and He decided what was scripture and what was not. No human being had that authority.
The only way you can say Catholics are wrong is to say they became apostate and that Jesus was a failure in creating the Church he said would he protect until end of the Ages.
*The catholic organization is apostate. Jesus didn't fail-He created His church and it still exists. It is universal or catholic-but it isn't "Catholic". The Catholic church has deviated from Bible truth. She is a harlot. There is a church today that's universal and people are in it. But its not the RCC.
I have never felt that the catholics are in apostasy, but if mike keeps on the path he is on, he could "all by himself" change my mind. However I don't think he speaks for all catholics.
Mike Peterson

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May 9, 2013
 

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Because I am a convert and as part of me learning Catholic apologetics, I watch and read about conversions stories and why they convert. Many of these are pastors from different denominations.

Most of them convert for the same reasons. History, the writings of the early Church Fathers, Authority, and Sola Scriptura.

The ones that were Pastors, all agree that one of the things that began their process of questioning, was when they were standing in the Pulpit and preaching the way to eternal life or eternal damnation, they were responsible for the souls of those who had hired them.

They starting questioning who had given them the Authority to do that. They had gone to school and learned Greek and Latin, had studied the Bible, how to give sermons, but the guy in the Pulpit next door had done the same things and was teaching the way to salvation was something else.

They realized that they could be personally leading souls to hell.

Do you ever have a doubt you may be leading people down the wrong road when there are so many Churches out there with different beliefs on salvation You know that it is a great responsibility.

The particular ministry I watch on EWTN and YouTube and their webiste is called The Journey Home. This ministry helps pastors who convert find jobs and give other support because when a pastor converts he loses his source of income. It is much harder for them than someone like me sitting in the the pews. I get a lot of apologetic information from them.

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Bobby

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We have some former catholics in our church. Do you ever wonder why they left the cc?

The greatest responsibility we have is to lift up Christ and him crucified. I don't hear much of that from Mike-he is all about rules and authority from mere men. I see about fifty cents difference between Mike and Johnny.

we are not saved by doctrine or a religious hierarchy, we are saved by Christ Jesus.
Dave P

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May 9, 2013
 
Preaching the gospel is a big responsibility, and I think all who sincerely are seeking to help people attain eternal life do feel the burden of leading people in the way that we should go. I certainly do.

This whole idea is exactly why James said that not many should be teachers, knowing that we receive a stricter judgment. I do believe that many men (and women for that matter) probably should do their souls a favor and leave the ministry. A person should not get into the ministry blindly either.

All of these things being said, this is why the written word is so important. With all the confusion in the religious world, its better to go to the source itself than trust anyone's opinions or thoughts. The church, no matter which one, is not the source. Men are not the source. God is, and we only have one letter from Him.

His word is truth, and it is no matter if we agree on it or figure it out or not.
Mike Peterson

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May 9, 2013
 
Bobby wrote:
We have some former catholics in our church. Do you ever wonder why they left the cc?
The greatest responsibility we have is to lift up Christ and him crucified. I don't hear much of that from Mike-he is all about rules and authority from mere men. I see about fifty cents difference between Mike and Johnny.
we are not saved by doctrine or a religious hierarchy, we are saved by Christ Jesus.
They left the CC because the teaching is hard and/or the Church let them down on teaching them the faith. Or like many Christians they fell away, were searching, and a protestant provided the words they needed to hear instead of a Catholic. I pray one day they will come home to the Church Jesus started, for they knew the fullness of the truth and rejected it. They will always remain a Catholic because of the indelible mark of Baptism. Fallen away, but still Catholic.

Of course we are saved by Jesus. But he did leave us a Church to teach us how to do that.

What do you see when you walk in your Church? A pulpit for a man to tell you the truth.

When you walk in a CC, you see exactly what Jesus did to save us from our sins. The central point is the Altar with a Crucifix above. The focus is on Jesus not a man.

When the mass begins the Bible is held high as the procession begins and the opening song begins and is is placed on the Altar before reading. It is the focal point of the service at the point.

It is the True Bible Church. We read more from the Bible in one Mass than a whole month in a Prot Church.

You can trace the man leading this service back to Apostles by the laying on of hands through ordination.

The Mass is describe in pretty detail in Revelation especially the Eucharist.
Mike Peterson

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Dave P wrote:
Preaching the gospel is a big responsibility, and I think all who sincerely are seeking to help people attain eternal life do feel the burden of leading people in the way that we should go. I certainly do.
This whole idea is exactly why James said that not many should be teachers, knowing that we receive a stricter judgment. I do believe that many men (and women for that matter) probably should do their souls a favor and leave the ministry. A person should not get into the ministry blindly either.
All of these things being said, this is why the written word is so important. With all the confusion in the religious world, its better to go to the source itself than trust anyone's opinions or thoughts. The church, no matter which one, is not the source. Men are not the source. God is, and we only have one letter from Him.
His word is truth, and it is no matter if we agree on it or figure it out or not.
The Source is the Church though. The Bible says that clearly. 350 years the Church existed without a Bible.

There is only reason there is confusion in the Christian world. The lack of Authority and Sola Scriptura.

When some of the early Christians were making Gentile converts get circumcised some of the Church leaders agreed and some didn't. How was it decided. The Church called Paul and Barnabas to come to the Council of Jerusalem. Both sides were presented, Peter made his decision, the current Bishop of Jerusalem, James, made the proclamation and they sent Paul and Barnabas with a letter and to tell the Churches what the decision was. Circumcision was not necessary. No scriptures were consulted. The Church had the authority and so it was for 350 years.

Bobby

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May 9, 2013
 
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They left the CC because the teaching is hard and/or the Church let them down on teaching them the faith. Or like many Christians they fell away, were searching, and a protestant provided the words they needed to hear instead of a Catholic. I pray one day they will come home to the Church Jesus started, for they knew the fullness of the truth and rejected it. They will always remain a Catholic because of the indelible mark of Baptism. Fallen away, but still Catholic.

Do you have any idea how much you sound like Johnny and Heath. It is the same song but a different dance. That is the way it is with all one true church advocates-We have it you don't and you will never find it unless you join our church. Only our church can save you.

BEWARE!
Mike Peterson

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Bobby wrote:
Mike wrote:
They left the CC because the teaching is hard and/or the Church let them down on teaching them the faith. Or like many Christians they fell away, were searching, and a protestant provided the words they needed to hear instead of a Catholic. I pray one day they will come home to the Church Jesus started, for they knew the fullness of the truth and rejected it. They will always remain a Catholic because of the indelible mark of Baptism. Fallen away, but still Catholic.
Do you have any idea how much you sound like Johnny and Heath. It is the same song but a different dance. That is the way it is with all one true church advocates-We have it you don't and you will never find it unless you join our church. Only our church can save you.
BEWARE!
Not quite like Johnny and Heath. Their Church was started by a man in 1800.

Mine was started by Jesus in 32AD and was the only Christian Church for 1500 years.

When did Campbell start the COC? 1800 or so.

When did your church start and what was the person's name?
Bobby

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May 9, 2013
 
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Not quite like Johnny and Heath. Their Church was started by a man in 1800.
Mine was started by Jesus in 32AD and was the only Christian Church for 1500 years.
When did Campbell start the COC? 1800 or so.
When did your church start and what was the person's name?
Heath and Johnny say the same things. It is amazing how much you sound like them. The only real difference is in the name. Heck even the doctrine is similar, both of you claim that only your water baptism will work.

I honestly thought you were going to be better than this-ugh...
Dave P

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Heath and Johnny say the same things. It is amazing how much you sound like them. The only real difference is in the name. Heck even the doctrine is similar, both of you claim that only your water baptism will work.
I honestly thought you were going to be better than this-ugh...
At least Mike is polite, doesn't tell people "don't be stupid" or goes to their congregation to cause a scene.
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#52
May 9, 2013
 
The Orthodox church would probably dispute Mike's claim.
Bobby

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At least Mike is polite, doesn't tell people "don't be stupid" or goes to their congregation to cause a scene.
A person can be polite and venomous at the same time. He is not here to have fellowship. In fact his beliefs will not allow it. See how similar this is to legalistic coc doctrine? Same game different rules.
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Agree with you about the doctrine part. Mike is here to convert all he can to catholicism. He considers it THE church, all others impostors and wrong. Don't you think most Catholics feel the same way Mike does?

Actually same game, same rules, different name.
Mike Peterson

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May 10, 2013
 
Dave P wrote:
The Orthodox church would probably dispute Mike's claim.
They are a Catholic Church like us. They believe in the real presence and are apostolic. They deny the Authority of the Successor of Peter, but they have their own successors of Authority and have split a few times.

I considered them briefly in my journey.
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Agree with you about the doctrine part. Mike is here to convert all he can to catholicism. He considers it THE church, all others impostors and wrong. Don't you think most Catholics feel the same way Mike does?
Actually same game, same rules, different name.
Believe me, most Catholics in the Pews do not care anything about evangelization. They mainly care about avoiding the typical Prot. rants about being in the Whore of Babylon and a harlot and worshiping statutes etc. It is a shame they don't care about defending the faith, but most are not equipped anyway.
Mike Peterson

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May 10, 2013
 
Dave P wrote:
Agree with you about the doctrine part. Mike is here to convert all he can to catholicism. He considers it THE church, all others impostors and wrong. Don't you think most Catholics feel the same way Mike does?
Actually same game, same rules, different name.
Don't you feel that the Church you worship in has the fullness of the truth and it is the way to eternal salvation? If you do, why are you not out there trying to get everybody in there so you can bring as many souls as you can to heaven with you.

If you don't, why do you continue to go there?

Only 1 can be completely right.b

I think the COC is just another man made religion using Sola Scriptura to back up their beliefs. However, they truly think it is the way to heaven and want everybody to come with them.

One should go back to the beginning, read about how the early Christians really worshiped. Their historical writings are out there. He should read exactly how the Bible came into existence, why certain scriptures are in there and why some are not. What they believed about Authority and SS and Sola Fide.

One should seek to prove your salvation beliefs are correct and try and disprove other faith beliefs.

But you need to go to the Baptist sources or Lutheran, or Orthodox sources. Don't go to an anti-Catholic source to find out what the Church teaches. You will find un-truths.

Peace be with you.
Bobby

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May 10, 2013
 
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Believe me, most Catholics in the Pews do not care anything about evangelization. They mainly care about avoiding the typical Prot. rants about being in the Whore of Babylon and a harlot and worshiping statutes etc. It is a shame they don't care about defending the faith, but most are not equipped anyway.
Now, you are being truthful. They are mostly taught to be pew sitters and hang on the words of the the hierarchy. I probably need to rethink this some. I am not a catholic and have no intention or ever becoming one But I do remember that they once read the scripture only in Latin. That alone proves that many catholics do not have a high regard for truth as given by God. Many trust in the hierarchy and rituals.

I think some rituals and objects such as the cross and the rosary beads can be a good way to stay in touch but it is usually not very effective in constraining the heart mind and soul. For that we need an inner working of the Spirit.

I once was sharing the gospel with a with a worker when he cut me short. He said I was baptized so I am saved. Turns out he was sprinkled by a catholic priest as baby and believed he was saved but has no experience in any church. I bet you believe he is saved-am I right?
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May 10, 2013
 
Now, if any one of us were to say we were baptized as a baby by a protestant preacher Mike will will automatically deny his salvation. Why because it is all about the true church thingy.
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May 10, 2013
 
Whoever holds the keys to the only true church holds the keys to your salvation.

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