Barnsweb

Alliance, OH

#1 Jan 9, 2013
http://www.starineast.org/beliefs.php

Don't know what they do with 'dance' though:-)
Larry

Axton, VA

#2 Jan 9, 2013
Ahaziah was 22 years old when he began to reign and another passage says he was forty two (2 Kings 8:26 vs. 2 Chronicles 22:2).

One text has Josiah dying in Megiddo and another has him dying in Jerusalem (2 Kings 23:29-30 vs. 2 Chronicles 35:24).

Flat earth passages such as Job 9:6 and I Samuel 2:8, "the pillars of the earth are the Lord's, and he hath set the world upon them."

The idea that striped rods produce striped offspring in animals (Genesis 30:35-39)

Cud-chewing rabbits (Leviticus 11:6)

42 Kids being mangled for calling Elijah a baldy.

Collection of hundreds of foreskins.

Chopped up woman given to the 12 tribes.

Prostitutes seeking men with Donkey size JUNK with the ability to relieve like a horse.

Itís no wonder that many Church of Christ preachers turn Atheist. Your bible is chalked full of nonsense.
Larry

Axton, VA

#3 Jan 9, 2013
Joe Holman and John W. Loftus both came from the Church of Christ and now full-blown Atheist. They both have books that knock down and debunk the Christian faith.

http://www.joeholmanonline.com/2009/07/joe-e-...

http://www.amazon.com/Why-Became-Atheist-Chri...
Barnsweb

Alliance, OH

#4 Jan 9, 2013
Intresting link. It's about what we believe... or not. theology and arguments - or if Jesus resurrected and taught the Doctrine of God... or non belief.

There is no doubt that there are translation issues in the Bible, and similar issues.

So my faith is not based on the belief of a perfect book, but a perfect Savior and a God who has told us what is good.
New Guy

Lexington, KY

#5 Jan 9, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
Intresting link. It's about what we believe... or not. theology and arguments - or if Jesus resurrected and taught the Doctrine of God... or non belief.
There is no doubt that there are translation issues in the Bible, and similar issues.
So my faith is not based on the belief of a perfect book, but a perfect Savior and a God who has told us what is good.
Kind of disappointed with the "dance" link. Wanted to see what it was. Doesn't matter anyway- David danced in the OT. We all know that the apostles didn't dance, and we have no "authority" for dancing anyhow. Might keep you out of trouble ;)
Barnsweb

Alliance, OH

#6 Jan 9, 2013
What? Dancing is not in the Bible!:-)

I was wondering the same thing....and no info. Guess I'll just have to go see for myself..
New Guy

Lexington, KY

#7 Jan 9, 2013
I'm always curious about how they all do the jewish festivals. I know they're all fulfilled in Christ, but I'm intrigued by the teaching in the festivals and the tabernacle.
Barnsweb

Alliance, OH

#8 Jan 9, 2013
Mark Biliz did a couple of DVDs on 'The Feasts of the Lord' that have some great info - got them through WMD.
Barnsweb

Alliance, OH

#9 Jan 11, 2013
Checked it out last night, including the 'dance' matter. The first hour they learn traditional Jewsish folk dances. Not that the dance is exactly as first given, but modified over time, and they are danced to praise songs used by Messianic Synagogs.

Second hour was study of the Torah - which was very interesting, and might I add, completely in agreement with what I believe Jesus taught - Torah elevated standards, with a stong mixing of grace and truth.

There was a comment made in the opening prayer that caught my attention though, as it was something I've never heard before - not a quote here, but a conceptual hearing:

That we be open to what YHWH actually said, and that we be careful not to hear 'interpretations of Scripture that deceive, such as the case of Satan in the Garden.'

Interesting concept - that to 'interpret' Scripture, rather than just believe and apply it to ourselves, could be in the relm of evil.
New Guy

Lexington, KY

#10 Jan 11, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
Checked it out last night, including the 'dance' matter. The first hour they learn traditional Jewsish folk dances. Not that the dance is exactly as first given, but modified over time, and they are danced to praise songs used by Messianic Synagogs.
Second hour was study of the Torah - which was very interesting, and might I add, completely in agreement with what I believe Jesus taught - Torah elevated standards, with a stong mixing of grace and truth.
There was a comment made in the opening prayer that caught my attention though, as it was something I've never heard before - not a quote here, but a conceptual hearing:
That we be open to what YHWH actually said, and that we be careful not to hear 'interpretations of Scripture that deceive, such as the case of Satan in the Garden.'
Interesting concept - that to 'interpret' Scripture, rather than just believe and apply it to ourselves, could be in the relm of evil.
Sounds like an interesting night. As far as that concept goes, I would have to agree with it. We know that Peter said that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation. The word of God is true, and we must do our best to figure out what He said-not to figure out for ourselves what we THINK He said. There can be a huge difference, and if we go over into the "what we think He said" category we could get into serious trouble.

BTW, were you allowed to participate in the dance part? I couldn't do it, got two left feet.
Barnsweb

Alliance, OH

#11 Jan 11, 2013
New Guy wrote:
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Sounds like an interesting night. As far as that concept goes, I would have to agree with it. We know that Peter said that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation. The word of God is true, and we must do our best to figure out what He said-not to figure out for ourselves what we THINK He said. There can be a huge difference, and if we go over into the "what we think He said" category we could get into serious trouble.
BTW, were you allowed to participate in the dance part? I couldn't do it, got two left feet.
You and me both!:-) I could have participated if desired.
Barnsweb

Alliance, OH

#12 Jan 12, 2013
Another viewpoint expressed was the apostles writings were largely about the heart of the Torah.

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