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#21
May 1, 2013
 
Ruby wrote:
No no no. why does it matter if my husband stopped cheating. He still cheated then stopped then filed on me. This all makes absolutely no sense to me. You people say god forgives then if I remarry god takes away from me salvation. What in heavens name is this about. Show me support for this crazy talk. Where in my bible is there somebody told they cant remarry and not be forgiven. Are you saying that when I got baptized in jesus name that I wasn’t forgiven of my sin of adulterer. God holds that against me? Come on now this is just plain stupid. If he forgave me then how come I am not able to remarry.
See Dave's comment above. I agree with him.
Mike Conner

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May 1, 2013
 
Ruby wrote:
No no no. why does it matter if my husband stopped cheating. He still cheated then stopped then filed on me. This all makes absolutely no sense to me. You people say god forgives then if I remarry god takes away from me salvation. What in heavens name is this about. Show me support for this crazy talk. Where in my bible is there somebody told they cant remarry and not be forgiven. Are you saying that when I got baptized in jesus name that I wasn’t forgiven of my sin of adulterer. God holds that against me? Come on now this is just plain stupid. If he forgave me then how come I am not able to remarry.
Ruby if you obeyed the gospel like the NT teaches you were forgiven. When a person commits adultery they forfeit their right to remarry. Thats matt. 19:1-10.

I dont think it matters who filed first. You both forfeted your rights to be re married because you both committed adultery.

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Every coc doesn't aagre on this, Mike. I'm not speaking of the progressives either. Conservatives disagree on this.

What if her husband dies later? Can she remarry then. Some coc say yes - some say no.

If her husband stopped his affair while married to Ruby yet she did not, he is free to file for divorce and remarry. This also is debated with the conservative coc.

Some conservative coc say what occurs prior to becoming a Christian doesnt count against them. Example: if a man a woman remarried before they became Christians, there is no verse to demand they "separate/divorce" and return to their first spouse. Nowhere is there an example of this in the New Testament.

Do you not know that many coc differ on MDR yet they sweep it under the rug and remain unified in diversity.

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#24
May 1, 2013
 
Mike,

Dave is honest on here about things and I have much respect for him. It too bad that I don’t see this with other on here who profess to be “gospel preachers”. I do not see any other coc preacher on here acknowledging the truth regarding the division and unity in diversity over MDR in the coc. Many of these coc preachers who disagree over MDR remain in fellowship. They are fast to split over music in the “worship service” but “agree to disagree” over MDR.

If you want to see names of well-known conservative men who disagree over MDR, but remain in fellowship, purchase Todd Deavers book http://stoned-campbelldisciple.blogspot.com/2... on the fellowship dilemma within the conservative coc. That book is chalked full of well-known leaders who contradict one another.

If you guys are so confident, why didn’t Johnny or anyone take on the challenge on http://graceconversation.com/ Heath visited that site over 100 times yet never offered to debate the issues. Phil Sanders and others threw in the towel as well. Perhaps you and Heath can email Jay and take up where the other conservatives “quit’.
Mike Peterson

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May 1, 2013
 
JesusCreed wrote:
Every coc doesn't aagre on this, Mike. I'm not speaking of the progressives either. Conservatives disagree on this.
What if her husband dies later? Can she remarry then. Some coc say yes - some say no.
If her husband stopped his affair while married to Ruby yet she did not, he is free to file for divorce and remarry. This also is debated with the conservative coc.
Some conservative coc say what occurs prior to becoming a Christian doesnt count against them. Example: if a man a woman remarried before they became Christians, there is no verse to demand they "separate/divorce" and return to their first spouse. Nowhere is there an example of this in the New Testament.
Do you not know that many coc differ on MDR yet they sweep it under the rug and remain unified in diversity.
I guess because I am looking at all this discussions with a different lens, but can any of you see the problem of one religion, the COC, remaining unified in diversity.

How is this possible? Sola Scriptura. Why do you think this doctrine did not exist until Father Luther invented it in 1530?

Here, the COC , disagree. That is why there are 30,000 Churches out there and growing daily.

Jesus said we should be as one as the Father and he are one.
Bobby

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#26
May 1, 2013
 
Some coc believe that divorce is kin to the unforgivable sin. Is it really a sin that Jesus cannot or will not forgive?

The principal of repentance and forgiveness is the issue here.

To much is made out of how the church is supposed to deal with it. I say deal with it like you would any other sin...
mopman

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#27
May 1, 2013
 
I notice something odd on here. When jesus creed comments the cofc people take to the hills. Am I missing something. Is he like on some black list or what.
Dave P

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#28
May 1, 2013
 
Bobby wrote:
Some coc believe that divorce is kin to the unforgivable sin. Is it really a sin that Jesus cannot or will not forgive?
The principal of repentance and forgiveness is the issue here.
To much is made out of how the church is supposed to deal with it. I say deal with it like you would any other sin...
AMEN!!! I approve this message. Simple and true. Enough said.
Dave P

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mopman wrote:
I notice something odd on here. When jesus creed comments the cofc people take to the hills. Am I missing something. Is he like on some black list or what.
I believe Randy may be the black sheep of the Topix coc family. I think he has a couple of other black sheep on here with him though...

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mopman wrote:
I notice something odd on here. When jesus creed comments the cofc people take to the hills. Am I missing something. Is he like on some black list or what.
I guess its something like that. Its not that they "take to the hills" Believe me, they still are on here. They read much more than they comment.
Mark

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#31
May 2, 2013
 
Ruby says she cheated on her husband and he did not put her away for this, if she repented of this sin and they were reconciled that sin should be remembered no more. Then Ruby's husband cheated on her and she did not put him away for that. If Ruby's husband repented of his sin and they reconciled that sin should be remembered no more. However Ruby admits that she cheated again and her husband put her away for this. She is not eligable to remarry and if her husband did not repent and is still with the woman he had an affair with he is living in adultery and if they marry he causes the woman he marries to be living in adultery.

Mt 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

This also applies to the wife putting her husband away. It is pretty obvious, if the story is true, that Ruby did not put her husband away for the reason stated, but only because she got caught the second time. Sounds like Ruby wants to have her cake and eat it to, in other words she wants a husband and others to. And that being the case why is she concerned about marriage or what God's word says concerning it anyway?
Ruby

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#32
May 2, 2013
 
my word what supidness big freaking deal that my husband stopped cheating. We was not in church when we divorced. We both cheated and he stopped cheating then when I continued my affair he filed on me. Now you say he is okay to marry again because he stopped cheating while we were married but I am doomed to be single even tho we were not in church and not saved. Now being saved you say I cant re marry that’s not even right and makes no cotton picking sense to me
Mark

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#33
May 2, 2013
 
Ruby wrote:
my word what supidness big freaking deal that my husband stopped cheating. We was not in church when we divorced. We both cheated and he stopped cheating then when I continued my affair he filed on me. Now you say he is okay to marry again because he stopped cheating while we were married but I am doomed to be single even tho we were not in church and not saved. Now being saved you say I cant re marry that’s not even right and makes no cotton picking sense to me
I didn't write the book.
Mt 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

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#34
May 2, 2013
 
Mike told her both her and her husband couldn't remarry, because they both cheated. She just admitted her husband stopped his affair then filed for divorce after she wouldn't discontinue hers. If true, he is free to marry according to most coc. You guys need to get on the same page. Maybe y'all should have a mens meeting or something ;-) and come up with the same answers on these things.

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#35
May 2, 2013
 
Ruby wrote:
my word what supidness big freaking deal that my husband stopped cheating. We was not in church when we divorced. We both cheated and he stopped cheating then when I continued my affair he filed on me. Now you say he is okay to marry again because he stopped cheating while we were married but I am doomed to be single even tho we were not in church and not saved. Now being saved you say I cant re marry that’s not even right and makes no cotton picking sense to me
Mike and Mark gave you two diff answers. They both come from the same "flock" yet not on the same page. If you study this from the lens of the coc, you will discover much disagreement on this subject. Daves answer is best, in my opinion.
Mike Conner

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#36
May 2, 2013
 
Ruby wrote:
my word what supidness big freaking deal that my husband stopped cheating. We was not in church when we divorced. We both cheated and he stopped cheating then when I continued my affair he filed on me. Now you say he is okay to marry again because he stopped cheating while we were married but I am doomed to be single even tho we were not in church and not saved. Now being saved you say I cant re marry that’s not even right and makes no cotton picking sense to me
I do not believe he has a right to remarry. He is guilty of adultery. Matt. 19:1-10.
Mike Conner

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#37
May 2, 2013
 
JesusCreed wrote:
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Mike and Mark gave you two diff answers. They both come from the same "flock" yet not on the same page. If you study this from the lens of the coc, you will discover much disagreement on this subject. Daves answer is best, in my opinion.
SEE THE PROBLEM.....Dave's answer is the best!!!!

The BIBLE answer is the best. If me and mark are not saying the same thing I might be wrong. Ok. What does the bible say NOT what man has the best answer.
Dave P

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May 2, 2013
 
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SEE THE PROBLEM.....Dave's answer is the best!!!!
The BIBLE answer is the best. If me and mark are not saying the same thing I might be wrong. Ok. What does the bible say NOT what man has the best answer.
Perhaps he thinks my answer is the best because he believes it to be the BIBLE answer Mike. I do believe that is the case when we take the whole counsel of God into view.

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#39
May 2, 2013
 
When I says “Dave’s answer is best”, I mean the answer that seems more in line with the Bible. There is much confusion and disagreement over MDR within the coc. Even you and Mark were not on the same page. Perhaps Mark will come back now and “modify” his comment so you guys appear on the same page ;-)

Are you not aware of the disagreements among your own brethren over MDR? My whole point on this is, you guys have “unity in diversity” although most coc of the ultra-flavor, deny this, pretending everything is okay. Many remain in fellowship on this yet will damn other to hell over music in worship. How can you let one thing slide but not another. Here is why. If you were to do so, the coc would be broken into many more pieces than it already is. So, to keep the “unity” many sweep MDR disagreements under that rug of hypocrisy.

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May 2, 2013
 
Dave P wrote:
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Perhaps he thinks my answer is the best because he believes it to be the BIBLE answer Mike. I do believe that is the case when we take the whole counsel of God into view.
lol. I posted the same thing before seeing your comment. Yes, thats is why I chose your answer. I do this with anybody. It must line up with God's Word. Mike and Mark were not on the same page yet somehow you and I have reached the same conclusions on many issues. Wished SW would jump back in here- he went to Johnny's church and was well schooled in Johnny's teaching yet he came to the same conclusions once he removed the blinders.

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