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Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#242 Jun 13, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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I wonder why you catholics do not just remove that luke 18 scripture? You created the bible surely you can revise it or remove it when ever it does not fit your agenda. What you actually do is interpret it to fit your agenda. Ha, and you claim only the outsiders do that. Quite frankly I want nothing to do with your (foreign from scripture) ideology/tradition.
The Church could exist without a Bible. It did for 350 years. It created it to stop the sola scriptura writings getting in and confusing believers.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#243 Jun 13, 2013
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Absolutely. In the areas of faith and morals there is only one truth.
Not 30,000
Where is hiring and firing of preachers in the Bible? Does the majority rule. If he preaches something that 51% of the congregation doesnt like, can he get fired? Or only the money men of the Church can hire or fire.
Oops I forgot. I remember now. You have to pay the bills. If collections go down, the preacher gets fired.
If I could I would fire the office of Pope and reign in all of those predatory priest. When a leader errs, the rest of the leadership must discipline the offender.

1 tim 5:19 Do not entertain an accusation against an elder unless it is brought by two or three witnesses. 20 But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning.

But you guys cannot or will not do that because no one has the authority or the will to do it. Sheep following the shepherd to the slaughter.
William

Birmingham, AL

#244 Jun 13, 2013
"It created it to stop the sola scriptura writings getting in and confusing believers."

How did the (sola) letter from Paul to the Ephesians confuse them about what they already possessed in Christ when they trusted the gospel that was preached to them? Or the Colossians?

There was NO Catholic church around when they received Paul's letters, nor was there one around when people like Timothy went to them and preached the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#245 Jun 13, 2013
William wrote:
"It created it to stop the sola scriptura writings getting in and confusing believers."
How did the (sola) letter from Paul to the Ephesians confuse them about what they already possessed in Christ when they trusted the gospel that was preached to them? Or the Colossians?
There was NO Catholic church around when they received Paul's letters, nor was there one around when people like Timothy went to them and preached the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Sure there was. The CC started on Pentecost. Jesus started a Church through the Apostles. The only Christian church recorded in history between Pentecost and the year 1520 is the Catholic Church.

By simple deductive reasoning, the Apostles were Catholic. If fact it is referred to as Catholic by AD 110 by St Ignatius, but everyone knew it already. That was the first time mentioned in writings.

Also the Apostles taught the first Christians and they were all Catholic according to their writings.

Timothy was one of the first Bishops not an Apostle. He was ordained by Paul and sent there.

Timothy was not hired by the Church at Ephesus. He was sent by the Church.

The hiring of church leaders by the people in the pews is not
biblical.
William

Columbus, GA

#246 Jun 13, 2013
That church started at a Pentecost was an entirely Jewish assembly. Headed at the time by a Jew. They sold their possessions and goods and had all things common together. And there isn't a gentile anywhere to be found there in their midst on that day of Pentecost.

There was a church started there for sure. It just isn't yours, and never has been.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#247 Jun 13, 2013
William wrote:
That church started at a Pentecost was an entirely Jewish assembly. Headed at the time by a Jew. They sold their possessions and goods and had all things common together. And there isn't a gentile anywhere to be found there in their midst on that day of Pentecost.
There was a church started there for sure. It just isn't yours, and never has been.
That all changed when the Holy Spirit filled the upper room.

The Jewish leadership had rejected Jesus as the Messiah foretold in the OT. Saul before his conversion, from a Jew to a Chrsitian, was part of the stoning of Phillip.

After Pentecost, believers in Christ Jesus increased daily. The Church spread over Judea, Galilee, Samaria, and into all the surrounding countries. It was at Antioch, the capital of Syria, that the faithful were first called Christians, because they were believers in Christ, sealed in him as their Lord and master.

Before that the early converts call it The Way to distinguish between converted Jews and Jews.

The Gospel was first preached only to the Jews but for the most part they were not accepted. It was the will of God that the gospel first be preached to God's chosen people, as Christ Jesus himself did. Many Jews were converted but usually not from the leaders, who persecuted the Christians (as Saul did before his conversion). Christ had foretold the destruction of Jerusalem, and the Roman army, under Titus, in the year 70 destroyed Jerusalem. The destruction of the temple, the center of God's worship in the old covenant, signified the end of both the old law and the unity of the chosen people who did not accept Christ.
Anonymous Proxy

Milpitas, CA

#248 Dec 30, 2013
An ex-nun explains Mary worship.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religi...

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