Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#142 Jun 12, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Leaders of the Catholic Church had a meeting in 382 AD and decided between roughly 300 scriptures which were inspired and which were not.
Most were readily agreed on but around 14 were very hotly contested.
Some of them, the authors were not really know.
Men "voted" on them just like a jury in a trial. Just like the supreme court on a law.
Wow, you guys could just have another meeting in 2013 so that you could decide which books need to go and write a new one that fits this generation. Of course you would have vote on it and hope the rcc pedophiles agree.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#143 Jun 12, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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Nope and that is not how the people before that group came together KNEW the written letters were Inspired. Now THINK. How would a group of people receiving a letter from many people only come up with one of those letters being inspired. NOW THINK dont go back to that RCC stuff.
Fact the first century people KNEW which letter was inspired and perseved it. WHY?
Tell exactly what God has revealed to you on how what scriptures were going to be in the Bible.

You keep saying men did not do it. Who knew what was inspired in the first century and who preserved it in the first century?

Did God rain down Bibles from heaven. You know he could have if he wanted to. He didn't because almost nobody could read.

Tell me what Jesus said about the Bible. When he wrote in the mud with his spit, did he prophecy the books of the Bible.

Since: May 10

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#144 Jun 13, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Tell exactly what God has revealed to you on how what scriptures were going to be in the Bible.
You keep saying men did not do it. Who knew what was inspired in the first century and who preserved it in the first century?
Did God rain down Bibles from heaven. You know he could have if he wanted to. He didn't because almost nobody could read.
Tell me what Jesus said about the Bible. When he wrote in the mud with his spit, did he prophecy the books of the Bible.
When a letter was sent to a group of people in the first century why did that letter become know as inspired? What would cause man to KNOW with certainty that that writing over another was to be preserved? NOW THINK HINT look in the bible it tells you.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#145 Jun 13, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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When a letter was sent to a group of people in the first century why did that letter become know as inspired? What would cause man to KNOW with certainty that that writing over another was to be preserved? NOW THINK HINT look in the bible it tells you.
Your argument will make no sense to these guys because they think they wrote the bible-probably when they were in a former life, 2000 years ago. They are the worlds elite class of people and we are scum to be avoided.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#146 Jun 13, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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When a letter was sent to a group of people in the first century why did that letter become know as inspired? What would cause man to KNOW with certainty that that writing over another was to be preserved? NOW THINK HINT look in the bible it tells you.
Jesus left a Church which is the pillar and foundation of truth. He didn't write anything or tell the Apostles to write anything.

The Church existed 350 years without a bible. It existed 10 years without any apostle writing anything and 60 years before all had been written that made the Bible.

there were hundreds of scriptures being read in different churches. in 382, at the Council of Rome, Church leaders voted on what scriptures were inspired or not. The Bible then existed.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#147 Jun 13, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Jesus left a Church which is the pillar and foundation of truth. He didn't write anything or tell the Apostles to write anything.
The Church existed 350 years without a bible. It existed 10 years without any apostle writing anything and 60 years before all had been written that made the Bible.
there were hundreds of scriptures being read in different churches. in 382, at the Council of Rome, Church leaders voted on what scriptures were inspired or not. The Bible then existed.
Stop lying. The scriptures were there all along from the very moment they were first written, your catholic fore fathers did not write any of them. They did however put them together in a book then called it a bible. I am good with that... However the catholic church has changed what they believe and taught-it has evolved into what it is today. Each new generation adds something new, it is constantly changing but Gods words never changes.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#148 Jun 13, 2013
On the other hand Jesus remains constant.

8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#149 Jun 13, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Jesus left a Church which is the pillar and foundation of truth. He didn't write anything or tell the Apostles to write anything.
The Church existed 350 years without a bible. It existed 10 years without any apostle writing anything and 60 years before all had been written that made the Bible.
there were hundreds of scriptures being read in different churches. in 382, at the Council of Rome, Church leaders voted on what scriptures were inspired or not. The Bible then existed.
Is this a true or false statement?

2 Timothy 3:16

English Standard Version (ESV)

16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#150 Jun 13, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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Is this a true or false statement?
2 Timothy 3:16
English Standard Version (ESV)
16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
Amen: 100% true statement. It is profitable for teaching. e

Now who is going to do the teaching? That is why the Church created the Bible. Jesus left us a Church which is the pillar and foundation of truth. I let the Church teach. It is the pillar of truth. The Bible is profitable for teaching. Sort of like a textbook.

It also doesn't say everything you need to know is in the bible. It says the opposite
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#151 Jun 13, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Amen: 100% true statement. It is profitable for teaching. e
Now who is going to do the teaching? That is why the Church created the Bible. Jesus left us a Church which is the pillar and foundation of truth. I let the Church teach. It is the pillar of truth. The Bible is profitable for teaching. Sort of like a textbook.
It also doesn't say everything you need to know is in the bible. It says the opposite
You are still lying.

As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him.

Having said that christians can and do teach each other but it is the indwelling Spirit who allows us to see the counterfeit.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#152 Jun 13, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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Stop lying. The scriptures were there all along from the very moment they were first written, your catholic fore fathers did not write any of them. They did however put them together in a book then called it a bible. I am good with that... However the catholic church has changed what they believe and taught-it has evolved into what it is today. Each new generation adds something new, it is constantly changing but Gods words never changes.
Jesus started a Church in 32 AD using the Apostles.
There was only 1 Christian Church for 1500 years. The Catholic Church
The Apostles started the Catholic Church.

They started the Catholic Church 10 years before 1 verse of NT scripture was written and 60 years before the last was written.

Hundreds of scripture were written by different men, many of them being read in the Churches.

The Church knew many of these were spurious. Finally, 350 years after Christ, the Council of Rome in 382 created the Bible and settled what scriptures were inspired and which were not.

You have accepted this decision, The Sacred Written Tradition of the Catholic Church.

These are historical facts that cannot be dis-proven.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#153 Jun 13, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Jesus started a Church in 32 AD using the Apostles.
There was only 1 Christian Church for 1500 years. The Catholic Church
The Apostles started the Catholic Church.
They started the Catholic Church 10 years before 1 verse of NT scripture was written and 60 years before the last was written.
Hundreds of scripture were written by different men, many of them being read in the Churches.
The Church knew many of these were spurious. Finally, 350 years after Christ, the Council of Rome in 382 created the Bible and settled what scriptures were inspired and which were not.
You have accepted this decision, The Sacred Written Tradition of the Catholic Church.
These are historical facts that cannot be dis-proven.
Ok in 382 the bible was canonized, I accept that but the scripture was scripture long before that. The church was never named and you cannot say that it was catholic. Find that in scripture. oops, you will need tradition to do that!

You see, the catholic church will not accept the scripture unless it agrees with the tradition-it should be the other way around. If I were you I would go back to the baptist church, at least they honor the scripture.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#154 Jun 14, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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Ok in 382 the bible was canonized, I accept that but the scripture was scripture long before that. The church was never named and you cannot say that it was catholic. Find that in scripture. oops, you will need tradition to do that!
You see, the catholic church will not accept the scripture unless it agrees with the tradition-it should be the other way around. If I were you I would go back to the baptist church, at least they honor the scripture.
The Bible is the written Sacred Tradition from the Church. You have agreed with the Church that the scriptures they thought was inspired is truly the written word of God and the ones they said was not weren't.

The Church has never and will never change scripture. Only Protesters do that. Luther trashed 7 books of the written word of God in the OT and tried to throw James away because of the faith without works verse did not help his theology.

Heretics. But wait, you can't help what you were born in. The CCC has allowed you be called a Christian if you are baptized.
Barnsweb

Lewis Center, OH

#155 Jun 14, 2013
When Jesus spoke in Matthew 13:52, what was the 'new' that the scribes were to bringing out of their treasures?:-)

The New Testament was completed and accepted by all the Church, EXCEPT Rome, in the First Century. All you testify of is Rome's refusal to accept and acknowledge the truth until they had a hand in perverting some of it.
Barnsweb

Lewis Center, OH

#156 Jun 14, 2013
Proof of CC changing the NT is no more evident than the changes to the Name of the Messiah.

It was not 'Jesus'.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#157 Jun 15, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
Proof of CC changing the NT is no more evident than the changes to the Name of the Messiah.
It was not 'Jesus'.
Are you Netzarim Jew or just thinking about it?
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#158 Jun 16, 2013
Raised CoC, but I think the Netzarim are closer to the truth. At least they have preserved the text as received and refused RCC demands that they change the texts:-)

I differ from them specifically on circumcision - Jesus said true circumcision is of the heart, not the flesh. If not mistaken, Netzarim believe it is for the gentiles after they believe and realize the significance. Another difference is I have little usefulness for Paul's writings due to the Scriptures testimony of him -'If they speak not according to the law and the testimony, there is no light in them.' Reality is that most everywhere the English says 'Law', we should be realizing this is 'Torah'.

A practical review of the teachings of Y'shua will reveal what He taught was the fullness and truth of the Torah, Prophets and Psalms.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#159 Jun 16, 2013
Bobby, this also includes the fullness of the grace of God - through Him is known the fullness of the grace and truth of God.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#160 Jun 16, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Amen: 100% true statement. It is profitable for teaching. e
Now who is going to do the teaching? That is why the Church created the Bible. Jesus left us a Church which is the pillar and foundation of truth. I let the Church teach. It is the pillar of truth. The Bible is profitable for teaching. Sort of like a textbook.
It also doesn't say everything you need to know is in the bible. It says the opposite
He left us the very words of God to show us the way to eternal life. The 'Church' is not the standard of truth - God is. And Y'shua gave us the words of God that are to be the standard and also re-enforced this truth in telling man that it is by His word that we will be judged on that day - not the words of Popes.

John had it right in 2 John 9-11. He taught the word of the LORD.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#161 Jun 16, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Jesus started a Church in 32 AD using the Apostles.
There was only 1 Christian Church for 1500 years. The Catholic Church
The Apostles started the Catholic Church.
They started the Catholic Church 10 years before 1 verse of NT scripture was written and 60 years before the last was written.
Hundreds of scripture were written by different men, many of them being read in the Churches.
The Church knew many of these were spurious. Finally, 350 years after Christ, the Council of Rome in 382 created the Bible and settled what scriptures were inspired and which were not.
You have accepted this decision, The Sacred Written Tradition of the Catholic Church.
These are historical facts that cannot be dis-proven.
Again you testify falsely of the truth. Now go read the Doctrine of God again (Testimony of Jesus Christ), that you may know the truth through discipleship to what He taught.(sermon on the mount and the great commission at the end of Matthew are good places to start, then also John 14-17 - nothing about hearing any other man but those He appointed His eye-witnesses).

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