William

Birmingham, AL

#21 May 25, 2013
"It is nice there though."

I go through there a lot with work. Road construction on the interstate northeast of there (on the way to Chattanooga) has slowed it down some but hopefully they are about done with the work.

Pretty drive to and from Chattanooga to Birmingham.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#22 May 25, 2013
William wrote:
"It is nice there though."
I go through there a lot with work. Road construction on the interstate northeast of there (on the way to Chattanooga) has slowed it down some but hopefully they are about done with the work.
Pretty drive to and from Chattanooga to Birmingham.
One of my brothers lived in Birmingham until he passed away a couple of years ago.
William

Birmingham, AL

#23 May 25, 2013
Nice town. Hilly in parts. Come a long way since the 1960's.

Lived here since 1995.
William

Birmingham, AL

#24 May 25, 2013
"Judaism itself was not an abomination but the way it was being practiced at the time was not true the law itself. The Pharisees were more like a political party than the people of God - they were misusing the law."

Which is EXACTLY what made it an abomination that required repentance. The repentance that John the Baptist came preaching, then Christ and the 12.

And we all know how the Pharisees treated their long-prophesied Messiah.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#25 May 26, 2013
Bobby wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree, there is but one gospel for both Jew and gentile, but as we know, most of the jews rejected the gospel and in fact were responsible for killing their own messiah. By extension we are all guilty because our sin was laid upon Jesus also.
God came and talked with Adam every day he was in the garden. Don't you think He was telling him what was good and having conversations with him? I do. Yet when God made the heavens and named the stars, He foretold the long history of man and the provision He had made to redeem him, before Adam was created - those same stars tell the gospel story of the Messiah and His mighty deeds and works to redeem mankind by dying on a cross, and to judge the serpent/scorpion for leading men away from Him.

So no matter where or when men have been on the earth since the very beginning, God has testified of the same gospel preached by Y'shua. Surely He came to tell us the truth. Why on earth would God come down to teach us and then surpercede His own word with a few sentences by Paul?:-) That's plumb delusional in my opinion.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#26 May 26, 2013
Bobby wrote:
<quoted text>
I can see where you are coming from and where you are going with this. There is some merit to but it is on shaky ground.
Judaism itself was not an abomination but the way it was being practiced at the time was not true the law itself. The Pharisees were more like a political party than the people of God-they were misusing the law. That is why the Pharisee Paul became such a great apostle-he saw his evil ways and repented, accepting the gospel. Admittedly this was after the resurrection of Christ but those same jews witnessed the gospel and rejected it. So they did hear and witness the gospel.
I agree with the part that says to the Jew first then to the gentiles. I do not believe God is finished with the Jews though.
Yeah, the Pharisees had 'put a hedge' around the law and truth with man made doctrine/commandments that they enforced against people as they actually neglected to judge what God said to start with - they had done as Satan wished - to elevate themselves above God and seek the praise of men. They approached the Torah as something other than the way God intended them to. As the Commandments also start out with loving God first and foremost, they rejected the first and last commandments totally - and we can see where that landed them.

But which of us is capable to live life in this world and have nothing on our mind all the time, every day, every week, every year,(on and on), and never stop or stumble at making sure we always have God first on our mind?:-) I've never been able to do that for an entire day - let alone a lifetime! Keeping the Sabbath is not about our perfection, but about the goodness and provision of God and that we take some time to think about it and honor Him for it.

Someday I hope we can graduate beyond the disciples mentality of arguing over 'who will be greatest in the kingdom of heaven'?;-)
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#27 May 26, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
<quoted text>
God came and talked with Adam every day he was in the garden. Don't you think He was telling him what was good and having conversations with him? I do. Yet when God made the heavens and named the stars, He foretold the long history of man and the provision He had made to redeem him, before Adam was created - those same stars tell the gospel story of the Messiah and His mighty deeds and works to redeem mankind by dying on a cross, and to judge the serpent/scorpion for leading men away from Him.
So no matter where or when men have been on the earth since the very beginning, God has testified of the same gospel preached by Y'shua. Surely He came to tell us the truth. Why on earth would God come down to teach us and then surpercede His own word with a few sentences by Paul?:-) That's plumb delusional in my opinion.
Yes, I suspect before he even created man, God he knew how he would redeem them/us. He first announced it to Adam and Eve in the garden. He is like a master watch maker, no one knows what makes his creation tick better than he does. His plan has always been Jesus-by his blood we are saved.

Acts 20:24 and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

None of us deserve to be saved. Just trying to cut through the clutter, to get straight to the heart of God. Lots of stuff going on in the middle though:-)

Since: Jan 10

Royse City

#28 May 26, 2013
Bobby wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, I suspect before he even created man, God he knew how he would redeem them/us. He first announced it to Adam and Eve in the garden. He is like a master watch maker, no one knows what makes his creation tick better than he does. His plan has always been Jesus-by his blood we are saved.

Acts 20:24 and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

None of us deserve to be saved. Just trying to cut through the clutter, to get straight to the heart of God. Lots of stuff going on in the middle though:-)
Acts 20:24 and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

Amen.

Did your wife get healed yet?
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#29 May 26, 2013
HEATH - 72 wrote:
<quoted text>
Acts 20:24 and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.
Amen.
Did your wife get healed yet?
Yes...

My God is a big God ie my daddy can whip your daddy:-)
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#30 May 27, 2013
My daddy may be a WWII vet, but at 93 he isn't capable to whip anyone now:-)

Listening on through the video and then on to one about 'nailing the ordinances that were against us to the cross' was a disappointment.

But it's often interesting to share viewpoints where we can evaluate and sometimes hear very useful understandings we hadn't considered before.

The video likens the sponge thing on the cross to the vow water for the jealous husbands' wife to drink - but that really doesn't fit in my opinion. Makes more sense that He is under a Nazarite vow until His return...
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#31 May 27, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
My daddy may be a WWII vet, but at 93 he isn't capable to whip anyone now:-)
Listening on through the video and then on to one about 'nailing the ordinances that were against us to the cross' was a disappointment.
But it's often interesting to share viewpoints where we can evaluate and sometimes hear very useful understandings we hadn't considered before.
The video likens the sponge thing on the cross to the vow water for the jealous husbands' wife to drink - but that really doesn't fit in my opinion. Makes more sense that He is under a Nazarite vow until His return...
I don't listen to long videos and find it difficult to read long messages. I did read his statement of faith which was long.

He did say "Salvation is by grace alone through faith" but he left the door open for works to be part of the plan of salvation by saying that "All Scripture (Word) is still true and nothing has been abolished".

Those two statements are not a natural fit they must be forced together.

Thirdly he mentions the ten lost tribes of Israel, this makes me think that he promoting "British Israelism". A lot of cults got their start on that idea. Arnold Murray comes to my mind.

There is to much stuff going on in his statement of faith for me to bother with his long video.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#32 May 27, 2013
That's what I thought too, regarding the 'Zionist' agenda - that Europeans are the mixed 'lost tribes of Israel'. He was really stretching things for much of the video and I finally clicked it off.

He has some stuff right, but as usual, enough was a stretch that I didn't want to wade through it any more.

Have a nice day Bobby!:-)
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#33 May 27, 2013
The verses he quoted from Paul, that showed Paul was Torah keeping, were good.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#34 May 27, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
That's what I thought too, regarding the 'Zionist' agenda - that Europeans are the mixed 'lost tribes of Israel'. He was really stretching things for much of the video and I finally clicked it off.
He has some stuff right, but as usual, enough was a stretch that I didn't want to wade through it any more.
Have a nice day Bobby!:-)
I have done a lot of thinking trying to analyze the differences this group has, including Mike. I believe we would all have to agree that Jesus-his death burial and resurrection is the gospel. I am beginning to see that the differences is in how we each see the application of the gospel, how it applies to us as individuals. Is it a gift? Is it a gift with conditions-what would be the conditions. Is it earned, how is it earned. At what point is the blood applied, etc. All of us are believers in Christ from what I can see.
Dave P

Versailles, KY

#35 May 27, 2013
Bobby wrote:
<quoted text>
I have done a lot of thinking trying to analyze the differences this group has, including Mike. I believe we would all have to agree that Jesus-his death burial and resurrection is the gospel. I am beginning to see that the differences is in how we each see the application of the gospel, how it applies to us as individuals. Is it a gift? Is it a gift with conditions-what would be the conditions. Is it earned, how is it earned. At what point is the blood applied, etc. All of us are believers in Christ from what I can see.
In general Bobby I agree with the above statement. Most of us have no issue with what truly is the gospel, nor with how we are to live our lives after becoming Christians. Our differences are in how to respond or obey the gospel, at what point we're saved, events to take place during assemblies, etc. Our problems are more "theology" than living. I do think we should cross off "earned" from the list immediately, because if any of us think we can earn salvation we're off the Bible path.

Since: Jan 10

Royse City

#36 May 27, 2013
Bobby wrote:
<quoted text>Yes...

My God is a big God ie my daddy can whip your daddy:-)
Really?

Who laid has on her to miraculously heal her?

I know some sick that I want to take to them.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#37 May 27, 2013
HEATH - 72 wrote:
<quoted text>
Really?
Who laid has on her to miraculously heal her?
I know some sick that I want to take to them.
Aren't you the guy from Iglesia ni Cristo ?

Since: Jan 10

Royse City

#38 May 27, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>Aren't you the guy from Iglesia ni Cristo ?
The church of Christ in Royse City, TX.

www.roysecitycoc.org
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#39 May 27, 2013
Dave P wrote:
<quoted text>
In general Bobby I agree with the above statement. Most of us have no issue with what truly is the gospel, nor with how we are to live our lives after becoming Christians. Our differences are in how to respond or obey the gospel, at what point we're saved, events to take place during assemblies, etc. Our problems are more "theology" than living. I do think we should cross off "earned" from the list immediately, because if any of us think we can earn salvation we're off the Bible path.
I think there is a fine line between the word "earning" our salvation. I doubt the the rcc would ever admit that they can earn their salvation but they always connect works as being necessary even to the point of working their way out of purgatory. That is changing the meaning of the word earn. We cannot say "we do not earn our salvation" and then go about life as though we can. That is saying one thing and doing something to the contrary.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#40 May 27, 2013
HEATH - 72 wrote:
<quoted text>
The church of Christ in Royse City, TX.
www.roysecitycoc.org
So what happened with your Church between 100 AD and 1800 AD?

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