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Just Wondering

Charlottesville, VA

#1 Jun 7, 2013
If something is a abomination before the Lord who is the same yesterday, today, and forever... then how does cofC justify returning to one's first spouse in some divorce situations?

Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.
-Deuteronomy 24:4
William

Birmingham, AL

#2 Jun 7, 2013
We ain't under any Mosaic law today, son. And we never were to start with.

But go into most any church these days and they will insist that you go back under parts of it. They get to pick and choose which ones
Barnsweb

Alliance, OH

#3 Jun 8, 2013
Just Wondering wrote:
If something is a abomination before the Lord who is the same yesterday, today, and forever... then how does cofC justify returning to one's first spouse in some divorce situations?
Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.
-Deuteronomy 24:4
Being experienced with CoC from New Jersey to California, Utah, Tennessee, West Virginia, Texas and Ohio - I'm drawing a total blank on recalling anyone in my lifetime that ever taught going back to a divorced mate as commanded in Deuteronomy 24:41. Jesus taught that the prohibition on divorce was not a teaching that everyone could keep - only those who were able to.

If God is true, and His word is true, then we must take what He has said from the beginning to also be true. The word by which He created, ordered and sustains the universe has been upheld as we can all see - although we may not perfectly understand. However, to think God has abandoned His word for half of His people is an unjust standard. What is right and what is wrong, what is good and what is bad, in fact, whatever He has declared is true at least as long as the heavens and earth exist.

In fact, God has declared through the prophets that He upholds His word higher than His name. And this is what Jesus taught, and that His word is imperishable by any means...even by the slight of reasoning Paul had to straighten out Jesus, Peter, Matthew and all the other apostles of Jesus Christ.

If God said it's an abomination - that's just the way it is - in spite of the liars who say otherwise.

Only God is true, and woe to the man who call Him a liar.
Barnsweb

Alliance, OH

#4 Jun 8, 2013
'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.' Is that true? If God said homosexuality is an abomination, is that still a truth we are to accept? And if God said remarriage of a divorced wife is an abomination, why would anyone uphold one abomination and accept another as good? It makes no sense per the Holy Scripture or any teaching from God.
Barnsweb

Alliance, OH

#5 Jun 8, 2013
William wrote:
We ain't under any Mosaic law today, son. And we never were to start with.
But go into most any church these days and they will insist that you go back under parts of it. They get to pick and choose which ones
Sorry William, but that is nothing that the Savior taught - ever.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#6 Jun 8, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
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Sorry William, but that is nothing that the Savior taught - ever.
Old Testament law contains elements of natural law容.g., the condemnation of homosexual activity葉o which Christians are bound for that reason, not because of their inclusion in the Old Testament. Christians do not have liberty on these issues.

Also, Christians are not and have never been bound by Old Testament law for its own sake, and those elements of Old Testament law which are not part of the natural law容.g., the obligation to worship on Saturday 謡ere only ever binding on the Jews.
William

Birmingham, AL

#7 Jun 8, 2013
"Sorry William, but that is nothing that the Savior taught - ever."

That's not what my Bible says. Maybe your faux-Jew bible says so, but not mine.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#8 Jun 8, 2013
BW: Being experienced with CoC from New Jersey to California, Utah, Tennessee, West Virginia, Texas and Ohio - I'm drawing a total blank on recalling anyone in my lifetime that ever taught going back to a divorced mate as commanded in Deuteronomy 24:4.

Dave: You won't see anyone in a hardline coc teach this because it goes against their theology of "repentance" from being divorced. They conveniently forget, or were ignorant of the fact that God indeed such thing was an abomination and defiled the land. God said not to do it- the hardline coc says it must be done. Do we believe God or man?
ABC

Martinsville, VA

#9 Jun 8, 2013
Dave P wrote:
BW: Being experienced with CoC from New Jersey to California, Utah, Tennessee, West Virginia, Texas and Ohio - I'm drawing a total blank on recalling anyone in my lifetime that ever taught going back to a divorced mate as commanded in Deuteronomy 24:4.
Dave: You won't see anyone in a hardline coc teach this because it goes against their theology of "repentance" from being divorced. They conveniently forget, or were ignorant of the fact that God indeed such thing was an abomination and defiled the land. God said not to do it- the hardline coc says it must be done. Do we believe God or man?
"I the LORD do not change" Malachi 3:6
"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever." Hebrews 13:8
"Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD" Deuteronomy 24:4

If something is a "abomination" to God one day, does it become not an abomination on the next?
Barnsweb

Alliance, OH

#10 Jun 8, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Old Testament law contains elements of natural law容.g., the condemnation of homosexual activity葉o which Christians are bound for that reason, not because of their inclusion in the Old Testament. Christians do not have liberty on these issues.
Also, Christians are not and have never been bound by Old Testament law for its own sake, and those elements of Old Testament law which are not part of the natural law容.g., the obligation to worship on Saturday 謡ere only ever binding on the Jews.
Tell that to Jesus and His apostles - not to mention Moses and the other Prophets of God. You don't change one of His words, and neither can a Pope or pretended prophet, NOR an angel of God.

Sorry... mute words there.
ABC

Martinsville, VA

#11 Jun 8, 2013
William wrote:
We ain't under any Mosaic law today, son. And we never were to start with.
But go into most any church these days and they will insist that you go back under parts of it. They get to pick and choose which ones
The larger issue is has God changed what was once an abomination unto Him into something we are now supposed to do?
William

Pell City, AL

#12 Jun 8, 2013
Outside of Jesus Christ, name ONE human being that managed to keep these laws.

Just one please.

And remember, if you break one of these laws, you have broken ALL of them.

So why do ye desire to be under the law?
ABC

Martinsville, VA

#13 Jun 8, 2013
William wrote:
Outside of Jesus Christ, name ONE human being that managed to keep these laws.
Just one please.
And remember, if you break one of these laws, you have broken ALL of them.
So why do ye desire to be under the law?
Name one thing that was an abomination to God that he made OK to do?
Just one please.
William

Pell City, AL

#14 Jun 8, 2013
Thanks for agreeing with me.
ABC

Martinsville, VA

#15 Jun 9, 2013
William wrote:
Thanks for agreeing with me.
So you agree that a man who divorces his wife and after she remarries takes her back as his wife is committing an abomination before God who is eternal and changes not. Glad I could help you see the light.
William

Birmingham, AL

#16 Jun 9, 2013
"So you agree that a man who divorces his wife and after she remarries takes her back as his wife is committing an abomination before God who is eternal and changes not. Glad I could help you see the light."

Putting people today back under part of a law that wasn't given to us in the first place? That's what you are advocating?

Which one of the 12 tribes of Israel do you and your church belong to?
ABC

Martinsville, VA

#17 Jun 9, 2013
William wrote:
"So you agree that a man who divorces his wife and after she remarries takes her back as his wife is committing an abomination before God who is eternal and changes not. Glad I could help you see the light."
Putting people today back under part of a law that wasn't given to us in the first place? That's what you are advocating?
Which one of the 12 tribes of Israel do you and your church belong to?
I don't have a church, Christ has the only church.

Simple question: Was something an abomination in the eyes of God now pleasing to Him? Yes or no.

Does your congregation & preachers tell people they must do something that God himself called abomination?

The "old law" argument fails. This is not about the law it is about what God states is abomination before him. Did God change what sin is? If so has he changed it again?
William

Birmingham, AL

#18 Jun 9, 2013
Of course it is an abomination. All sin is an abomination to God, which is why God sent his son to die for all of us: divorced people, gay people, etc., etc., etc.

The law was given to those Hebrews to show them that they were unrighteous, not that they could be righteous. The ONLY righteousness that God will accept is the righteousness of his son, imputed to us who trust in his sacrifice and resurrection.

Keeping ANY of these laws (which were not given to people like us in the first place) in addition to that sacrifice is adding to the sacrifice, and that ain't gonna fly.
William

Birmingham, AL

#19 Jun 9, 2013
But hey, forget about Deuteronomy for a minute, Jesus himself upped the whole ante with this whopper:

Matthew 5:27-28

King James Version (KJV)

27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Try "enforcing" that rule and see how many people show up on Sunday in your church. Including yourself, since you are guilty of it too, whether or not you want to admit it on this forum.
pearl

Salt Lake City, UT

#20 Jun 9, 2013
So do the ten commandments only apply to the Jewish?

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