Whitman

Martinsville, VA

#1 Feb 13, 2013

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#2 Feb 13, 2013
lol starting new thread so someone will go to your blog.
Whitman

Martinsville, VA

#3 Feb 13, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
lol starting new thread so someone will go to your blog.
duh. you sure a smart one.

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#4 Feb 13, 2013
Whitman wrote:
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duh. you sure a smart one.
Thank you
Now smart one tell us who wrote Hebrews
Whitman

Martinsville, VA

#5 Feb 13, 2013
Tell my why God put a tree in a garden he knew that would result in the fall of man
Calvin

Martinsville, VA

#6 Feb 13, 2013
Because God is sovereign and controls mans’ destiny. All part of His planning.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#7 Feb 13, 2013
Those in the East who kept records of who wrote which NT Scriptures and by whom it was received, they say Paul wrote Hebrews.

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#8 Feb 14, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
Those in the East who kept records of who wrote which NT Scriptures and by whom it was received, they say Paul wrote Hebrews.
Yep heard that before but not confirmed by the text or the way it was written so most have not assigned an author to it. So we dont really know yet it is included in the inspired writtings.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#9 Feb 15, 2013
For me, the style of writting is not anything like the rest of Paul's words. All the others have his name and story plastered throughout the text - whereas all the rest of Scripture is just the oppossite... just another reason I tend to put Paul at the last of the list to consider.

Second is Paul's claim to direct revelation of the gospel VS what the disciples taught, and that he said they had nothing for him to learn from. Taking Jesus at His word is what causes me to doubt Paul in many things.

The 'Eastern' authority noted in my comment is Andrew Gabriel Roth, but I also know from other scholars in the East that there are not a few who don't consider Paul to be an apostle in the same sense as the others and that they don't think his words should even be in the renewed covenant.

Have you ever heard of the 'Complete Jewish Bible'? The Messianic Synagoge here considers it their primary study Bible, so I go one, and am surprised to find that it's pretty much a Greek translation that trys to maintain Jewish viewpoints. Needless to say, I'm very disappointed with it so far - it may not be too far from a paraphrase of what the Hebrew says....

Just doesn't seem to be a good translation in my lifetime yet - but I'm thankful for the AENT, as it puts up front what took me years to glean from the standard Western translations - even though noted in the NKJV - the esentials are there if one discerns the truth through the teachings of Jesus.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#10 Feb 15, 2013
As for 'breaking the law', don't we agree that there is a difference between wickedness and sins of ignorance or immaturity? Surely there is, and to create a false sense of the judgement, justice or grace of God would be a greavious error - but that's just what the translations of Paul have caused many to do.

Jesus pulled the dirt off of mans teachings about the Torah to show the pure truth and light of the word of God. Jesus said what God said is true, and advised us to consider what He said sin is - not what man says. So Jesus preserved the original truth. Paul, on the other hand, introduced the principle of subjective standards of 'to one who thinks it is sin, it is sin', instead of sticking with sin being defined by God. If sin is subjective truth of what we think it to be, of what use is the word of God about it?

No, Paul may well be the root of division in the Christian faith... but I'm still studying the matter out.

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#11 Feb 15, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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Yep heard that before but not confirmed by the text or the way it was written so most have not assigned an author to it. So we dont really know yet it is included in the inspired writtings.
One could question Marks Gospel too.

The text of the Gospel According to Mark does not specifically identify anyone as the author. It wasn't until the second century that the title According to Mark" or "The Gospel According to Mark" was affixed to this document.

In my opinion it doesn’t matter who wrote Hebrews or the book of Mark – both MUST be inspired and part of our bible – if not, we have a bible we cannot depend on.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#12 Feb 15, 2013
Bingo! And if there is an issue, how can we as followers of Jesus Christ know what to believe?

The 'Jesus test' is one that He gave to know what is true, as well as the Spirit testifying of the truth and its accord with His teachings, as well as the Torah and Prophets.

Whatever is not in accord with them is not true.

At least that's the way I see it.
Questio

Winston Salem, NC

#13 Feb 15, 2013
Whitman wrote:
http://speakwherethebiblespeak s.wordpress.com/2013/02/12/bre aking-the-law/
Your website seems to be not working. What Happened?
Whitman

Martinsville, VA

#14 Feb 15, 2013
Questio wrote:
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Your website seems to be not working. What Happened?
Randy roo sort of took it back well I gave it back to him in a moment of madness and he hurried up and took it back over and now turned it in to a coc site. I am seeing if he let me have it back but he said get my own at wordpress. I cant think of a name for a blog thouh you got any idea for name of a blaog that I can make about johnny

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#16 Feb 15, 2013
Since you’re so fixated on Johnny call your site one of the following:

*JUST JOHNNY

*JUDGING JOHNNY

*JAZZY JOHNNY

*JADED JOHNNY

*JOVIAL JOHNNY

*JINXED JOHNNY

*JOCOSE JOHNNY

*JUMPY JOHNNY

*JITTERY JOHNNY

And for the one I know YOU will like……………

*JUDAS JOHNNY

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#17 Feb 18, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
For me, the style of writting is not anything like the rest of Paul's words. All the others have his name and story plastered throughout the text - whereas all the rest of Scripture is just the oppossite... just another reason I tend to put Paul at the last of the list to consider.
Second is Paul's claim to direct revelation of the gospel VS what the disciples taught, and that he said they had nothing for him to learn from. Taking Jesus at His word is what causes me to doubt Paul in many things.
The 'Eastern' authority noted in my comment is Andrew Gabriel Roth, but I also know from other scholars in the East that there are not a few who don't consider Paul to be an apostle in the same sense as the others and that they don't think his words should even be in the renewed covenant.
Have you ever heard of the 'Complete Jewish Bible'? The Messianic Synagoge here considers it their primary study Bible, so I go one, and am surprised to find that it's pretty much a Greek translation that trys to maintain Jewish viewpoints. Needless to say, I'm very disappointed with it so far - it may not be too far from a paraphrase of what the Hebrew says....
Just doesn't seem to be a good translation in my lifetime yet - but I'm thankful for the AENT, as it puts up front what took me years to glean from the standard Western translations - even though noted in the NKJV - the esentials are there if one discerns the truth through the teachings of Jesus.
Never heard of Jewish bible but not surprised they have one.

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#18 Feb 18, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
As for 'breaking the law', don't we agree that there is a difference between wickedness and sins of ignorance or immaturity? Surely there is, and to create a false sense of the judgement, justice or grace of God would be a greavious error - but that's just what the translations of Paul have caused many to do.
Jesus pulled the dirt off of mans teachings about the Torah to show the pure truth and light of the word of God. Jesus said what God said is true, and advised us to consider what He said sin is - not what man says. So Jesus preserved the original truth. Paul, on the other hand, introduced the principle of subjective standards of 'to one who thinks it is sin, it is sin', instead of sticking with sin being defined by God. If sin is subjective truth of what we think it to be, of what use is the word of God about it?
No, Paul may well be the root of division in the Christian faith... but I'm still studying the matter out.
Acts 17:30

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

30 Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent,

Ephesians 4:18

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

18 being darkened in their understanding,[a]excluded from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardness of their heart;

1 Peter 2:15

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

15 For [a]such is the will of God that by doing right you may silence the ignorance of foolish men.

It appears there was a time of ignorance but with the revealed will of God through the Holy Spirit and men writing the scriptures I believe that ignorance is now gone. Dont You?

2 Timothy 3:16

All Scripture is [h]inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for [i]training in righteousness; 17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

2 Peter 1:3
3 seeing that His divine power has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness, through the true knowledge of Him who called us [d]by His own glory and [e]excellence.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#19 Feb 18, 2013
The fact is we are all ignorant of something God has reveiled to a lessor or greater degree - myself certainly included. The fact is that the Spirt caused the original disciples to recall whatever Jesus had taught them. Matthew and John recorded the two primary accounts of this; Mark and Luke had other accounts to consider, but the Holy Spirit inspired accounts are from the two original disciples. The primary witness of the truth from heaven in Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit testifies to those things first.

Those of us who have studied comparative Christianity need to acknowledge there have been a number of men and women who have said the Spirit revealed special additional revelations to them. We who converse with LDS are certainly familiar with the 'Moses test' for determining whether a prophet was of God or not, as Joseph Smith Jr. fails the test - the primary one being 'If they speak not according to the Torah and the Prophets, there is no light in them.' Jesus passes the test easily. The Greek translations of Paul fail, but there is far more unity in the AENT translation of Pauls books.

We should not be ignorant, but the easiest test to see if a Church is abiding in the truth is simply the ten commandments - cut and dried - the easiest way to weed them out. Jesus upheld every one of them, and more, far more.

Is the Sabbath the Seventh Day ordained by God at creation, or do they count it as a different day?

Those who take the matter to be letting Scripture interpret Scripture always conclude that it hasn't changed. Others may make the same claim to let Scripture interpret itself - but don't.

I'm not saying ayone will go to hell for it, as Jesus made the point that they will be least in the kingdom of God - at least regarding the 'least' of the commandments - what is not among the 'least' could well be the primary ten and two greatest commendments as taught by the Annointed One - and we need to get real with God, rather than try to impress each other about how skillful we are at debate that twists the word of God.

Ignorance today? We shouldn't be. And Jesus said He told us all the Father told Him to tell us, and that if we keep to those things to 'abide' in them, then we can hope in the fact that He said we are His friends.

On the other end of the spectrum are those who think works don't matter, when in fact, they have to deny what He said in Revelation to come to that false conclustion, as He said much about works and how they relate to the outcome of our faith.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#20 Feb 18, 2013
As for the 'Jewish Bible', I'm having a good time going through Job - much more difficult to grasp, as it seem much deeper ...

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#21 Feb 18, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
The fact is we are all ignorant of something God has reveiled to a lessor or greater degree - myself certainly included. The fact is that the Spirt caused the original disciples to recall whatever Jesus had taught them. Matthew and John recorded the two primary accounts of this; Mark and Luke had other accounts to consider, but the Holy Spirit inspired accounts are from the two original disciples. The primary witness of the truth from heaven in Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit testifies to those things first.
Those of us who have studied comparative Christianity need to acknowledge there have been a number of men and women who have said the Spirit revealed special additional revelations to them. We who converse with LDS are certainly familiar with the 'Moses test' for determining whether a prophet was of God or not, as Joseph Smith Jr. fails the test - the primary one being 'If they speak not according to the Torah and the Prophets, there is no light in them.' Jesus passes the test easily. The Greek translations of Paul fail, but there is far more unity in the AENT translation of Pauls books.
We should not be ignorant, but the easiest test to see if a Church is abiding in the truth is simply the ten commandments - cut and dried - the easiest way to weed them out. Jesus upheld every one of them, and more, far more.
Is the Sabbath the Seventh Day ordained by God at creation, or do they count it as a different day?
Those who take the matter to be letting Scripture interpret Scripture always conclude that it hasn't changed. Others may make the same claim to let Scripture interpret itself - but don't.
I'm not saying ayone will go to hell for it, as Jesus made the point that they will be least in the kingdom of God - at least regarding the 'least' of the commandments - what is not among the 'least' could well be the primary ten and two greatest commendments as taught by the Annointed One - and we need to get real with God, rather than try to impress each other about how skillful we are at debate that twists the word of God.
Ignorance today? We shouldn't be. And Jesus said He told us all the Father told Him to tell us, and that if we keep to those things to 'abide' in them, then we can hope in the fact that He said we are His friends.
On the other end of the spectrum are those who think works don't matter, when in fact, they have to deny what He said in Revelation to come to that false conclustion, as He said much about works and how they relate to the outcome of our faith.
The 2 Peter 1:3 answers your question about more revelation, and those who claim such.

Has is a past tense word. There will be no more. and it does grant everything needed pertaining to life and godliness.

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