Who gave the Ten Commandments to Moses

Who gave the Ten Commandments to Moses

Created by Barnsweb on Aug 11, 2013

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Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#122 Aug 23, 2013
Another note on Paul and his inconsistancies and perhaps the root of his issues.

Carefully note the testimony of Paul's meeting on the road and supporting (or shall I say unsupporting, as it kept on changing) testimony from Paul as recorded by Luke.

Acts 9, 22, 26. The first has no real good spoken to him from Jesus. The second changes significantly, then the third has Paul attributing this 'faith in Jesus' doctrine from Jesus Himself. Some history had gone on between these accounts. The 'saved by faith' was based, according to his teachings, from Micah, and the flawed Greek translation of the Hebrew Scripture. The Hebrew was a continuing ongoing unfailing belief in action, as James notes in his letter, not a mere one time claim to faith.

Paul was tried and found a liar by the Church at Jerusalem and Ephasis. Paul even talked a bit about it in one of his letters that all those in Asia forsook him.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#123 Aug 23, 2013
William wrote:
"In the story about Judgment Day,(Matthew 25:31-46) where Jesus separates the sheep from the goats, the only questions that Jesus asks the multitude concern works:
1. Did you feed the hungry?
2. Did you clothe the naked?
3. Did you give a drink to the thirsty, etc.
If they answered “no” to these works in Matthew 25, then Jesus said that they were going to hell. Nowhere does Jesus ask, "Did you accept me as your personal Lord and Savior?" So, you can infer from all of this that just confessing with your lips that Jesus is your personal Lord and Savior is NOT ENOUGH (deathbed conversions are a different standard), although it is a good start on your salvation journey."
This is Roman Catholicism in a nutshell.
Only part of Catholicism. The Eucharist is the center peace of the Church.
Dave P

Plummers Landing, KY

#124 Aug 23, 2013
3 different chapters, 3 different things going on. Chapter 9 is simply Luke's testimony, 22 is before the Jerusalem mob, 26 before Felix.

Proof Paul used the septuagint on this and not the Hebrew? There is none.

Check Paul's Greek usage. His idea of faith is an ongoing action, not the one time "accepting" of Jesus.

Proof the church at Jerusalem tried Paul? None.
Proof the church at Ephesus tried Paul and called him a liar? Made up in your imagination. Paul is Balaam? When did he cause anyone to commit sexual immorality?

The only inconsistency is your attack on this man while refusing to look at the facts and fairly quoting him.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#125 Aug 23, 2013
Dave P wrote:
3 different chapters, 3 different things going on. Chapter 9 is simply Luke's testimony, 22 is before the Jerusalem mob, 26 before Felix.
Proof Paul used the septuagint on this and not the Hebrew? There is none.
Check Paul's Greek usage. His idea of faith is an ongoing action, not the one time "accepting" of Jesus.
Proof the church at Jerusalem tried Paul? None.
Proof the church at Ephesus tried Paul and called him a liar? Made up in your imagination. Paul is Balaam? When did he cause anyone to commit sexual immorality?
The only inconsistency is your attack on this man while refusing to look at the facts and fairly quoting him.
The Jerusalem Church issues had to do with his being found a liar to say he was a Jew - both parents were Romans. It is found in a manuscript fragment of the matter found about 1910, not far from where the DSS.

You really should study Paul more closely.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#126 Aug 23, 2013
See I Cor, perhaps 7, where he says the believing wife was free to marry without a writ of divorce. Jesus said this was adultery - as does the Torah.,,,
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#127 Aug 23, 2013
Now I'm starting to grasp how people worship the book, instead of the Author. SS.. with no check on who should be the Sola we listen to. Evangelicals and protestants are as vested with Paul as LDS are with Joseph Smith Jr.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#128 Aug 23, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
Now I'm starting to grasp how people worship the book, instead of the Author. SS.. with no check on who should be the Sola we listen to. Evangelicals and protestants are as vested with Paul as LDS are with Joseph Smith Jr.
Amen! RCIA is starting up right now in most areas.

Go right past the last stop of Messianic Jewism and head directly to The Church.

You can be home by Easter.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#129 Aug 23, 2013
RCIA?
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#130 Aug 23, 2013
The Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults (RCIA) is the process through which interested adults and older children are gradually introduced to the Roman Catholic ???

Hardly. To 'abide' in the word of Jesus means to not add to it or take away from it, but to remain in it faithfully and wait upon the Lord.
Dave P

Dahlonega, GA

#131 Aug 24, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
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The Jerusalem Church issues had to do with his being found a liar to say he was a Jew - both parents were Romans. It is found in a manuscript fragment of the matter found about 1910, not far from where the DSS.
You really should study Paul more closely.
Manuscript fragments also say that the number of the beast is 616, not 666. I take it you believe that too? Everyone was wrong from the first century until 1910? If this story was true, there should be Biblical evidence. There is none. You take here say, rumor, fragments, and speculation as truth because of your doctrinal beliefs.

You need to leave speculation and opinion aside and stick with the truth.
Dave P

Dahlonega, GA

#132 Aug 24, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
Now I'm starting to grasp how people worship the book, instead of the Author. SS.. with no check on who should be the Sola we listen to. Evangelicals and protestants are as vested with Paul as LDS are with Joseph Smith Jr.
You should understand that "the sum of Thy word is truth" means Biblical writers COMPLIMENT all scripture, not lie to shine a contrast. You are just as guilty, listening to AENT authors, writers of books like "Jesus' words only" and other such things. Pot and kettle. Perhaps you are closing in on Catholicism.
Dave P

Dahlonega, GA

#133 Aug 24, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
See I Cor, perhaps 7, where he says the believing wife was free to marry without a writ of divorce. Jesus said this was adultery - as does the Torah.,,,
Handle this later.
Dave P

Cleveland, GA

#134 Aug 24, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
See I Cor, perhaps 7, where he says the believing wife was free to marry without a writ of divorce. Jesus said this was adultery - as does the Torah.,,,
Once again you speak untruths. Paul says NO SUCH THING in 1 Corinthians 7. In verse 15, he says that if an unbelieving spouse departs and leaves a believing one, that the believer is not in bondage to remain in that condition. no writ of divorce is even mentioned here.

This attempt at discrediting Paul and assassinating his character and teaching is an epic failure.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#135 Aug 25, 2013
Guess you'd have to read the book and get the full background presented. Just taking the Scripture to see one is pretty easy though, and that point would have to do with the topic of eating meat sacrificed to idols. Jesus provides the detail in Revelation that the gone bad prophet Balaam erred by leading people astray to eat meat sacrificed to idols. God said idols are demons. So there was the commandment to tear down all the idol alters - likely because it would prevent Israel from eating meat sacrificed on them to demons.

At the Jerusalem Decree to the Gentiles, of just a few things actually recorded is the prohibition to eat meat sacrificed to idols. The record says Paul was there, doesn't it?

Then how is it that Paul wrote it was OK to eat meat sacrificed to idols when it was prohibited? How is it that those who followed the Decree were considered by Paul to be those whose faith was weak? Paul certainly did teach it was OK to eat is, as he said idols are nothing anyway. But God had declared that those worshipping idols are worshipping demons.

Did Paul teach differently than what God and the Apostles and Jesus Christ declared? Yes< or no?

If no, please state some reason why Paul is to be believed on this topic alone.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#136 Aug 25, 2013
Acts: 9

15

But the Lord said to him,“Go, for this man is a chosen instrument of mine to carry my name before Gentiles, kings, and Israelites.

BW: So you want to be a Messianic Jew but you disagree with the Messiah?
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#137 Aug 25, 2013
Acts 9 has this being said to someone else, not Paul.

37-43;

"He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!"
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#138 Aug 25, 2013
Barbswe, you have the idea that you are keeping the commandments and the rest of us are condemned as law breakers. In other words, you are allowing the law to condemn you, because you are depending on yourself to get it right, ignoring that you are still a sinner/lawbreaker. Using your doctrine Jesus was a righteous man who just came to teach others how to become righteous through the law and save themselves. There was no need for him to die on the cross for you sins because you don't have any! The catholics here do the same thing, only the rules of the game are different.

Cutting through all the fog, that is nothing but a cleverly designed system of self-righteousness.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#139 Aug 25, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
Acts 9 has this being said to someone else, not Paul.
37-43;
"He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!"
You know Jesus was speaking to Anniaus about Paul.

1The Lord said to him,“Get up and go to the street called Straight and ask at the house of Judas for a man from Tarsus named Saul. He is there praying,j 12and [in a vision] he has seen a man named Ananias come in and lay [his] hands on him, that he may regain his sight.” 13But Ananias replied,“Lord, I have heard from many sources about this man, what evil things he has done to your holy ones* in Jerusalem.k 14And here he has authority from the chief priests to imprison all who call upon your name.”l 15But the Lord said to him,“Go, for this man is a chosen instrument of mine to carry my name before Gentiles, kings, and Israelites,m 16and I will show him what he will have to suffer for my name.” 17So Ananias went and entered the house; laying his hands on him, he said,“Saul, my brother, the Lord has sent me, Jesus who appeared to you on the way by which you came, that you may regain your sight and be filled with the holy Spirit.”
Mousey

New York, NY

#140 Aug 25, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
Acts: 9
15
But the Lord said to him,“Go, for this man is a chosen instrument of mine to carry my name before Gentiles, kings, and Israelites.
BW: So you want to be a Messianic Jew but you disagree with the Messiah?
In all fairness to take an account of one of Paul's disciples in this matter who as far as we know was not present is not evidence against the challenge Barnsweb is making. For him to be discredited there must be another source. It is similar to claims by Catholics that the Pope is Vicar. No bible or history but those following the Pope spread the Vicar claim for gospel. Luke was not an apostle or recognized by any of the twelve, my point is to deny the challenge of Barnsweb we must have source other than a disciple of Paul without any apostle recognition. Those present heard a voice claiming to be Jesus and saw no one. We have Catholics who claim to have invented the bible which is untrue but if it were with Catholic history the bible certainly would be suspect from that erroneous claim by itself. The other churches accept Paul and Luke which go a long way to give Luke acceptance but honestly the internal bible evidence is weak. The Aramaic bibles also accepts Luke so Barnsweb does not deny acceptance of Paul from this angle, but I do not think what Barnsweb is saying can be proven false from the bible without a shadow of a doubt. Biblical support or denial of Paul is weak I believe in both cases.
Mousey

New York, NY

#141 Aug 25, 2013
For you Catholics I better elaborate. "Biblical support or denial of Paul is weak I believe in both cases." This is not an oxymoron, Paul does in place witness in a way that strongly supports his case as a Christian by the substance of his testimony. On the other hand there are certainly contradictions with other parts of the bible and he has no apostolic support and no other apostles recognize him a apostle.

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