The Errors of Protesantism
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Manassas, VA

#162 Jul 5, 2013
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL wrote:
<quoted text>Is the Pope man or God?
The reason I ask if the Pope is man or God is because if he is man this verse must also apply to him.
Mike Peterson wrote:
"In those days there was no king in Israel; every man did what was right in his own eyes."
Judges 21:25.
This is not GOD's way, for GOD cares not for the opinions of men (Mark 12:14).
I am Protestant. You never answered my question , Is the Pope man or God? He should be one or the other and it should not be a hard question.

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#163 Jul 5, 2013
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL wrote:
<quoted text>The reason I ask if the Pope is man or God is because if he is man this verse must also apply to him.
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I am Protestant. You never answered my question , Is the Pope man or God? He should be one or the other and it should not be a hard question.
stupid question from a defrocked idiot. invisible middle finger coming your way ()
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Manassas, VA

#164 Jul 5, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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stupid question from a defrocked idiot. invisible middle finger coming your way ()
I sense such a sweet spirit flowing from your soul. I bet when you grow up you will be a Protestant.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#165 Jul 5, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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Since your communion is not valid it doesn't matter what you use.
Those unleavened bread sand dollars are made with nothing but flour and water. They are round for a practical purpose...to minimize breakage and crumbs. Some are very small for individuals and some are quite large so as to be seen from great distances. The Catholic Church forbids the use of any ingredients other than flour and water for communion bread. The Catholic Church forbids the use of non-fermented grape juice for communion and even specifies the minimal alcohol content it must meet to be used.
*Jesus broke bread, not sand dollars.
*He also said 'fruit of the vine'. Proof that it was alcohol? Proof that it was juice? When did Jesus say what "proof" the 'fruit of the vine' had to be?
*Why does it matter how far away it can be seen? So the TV cameras see the priests stuffing the bread ONLY in their mouths? And why can't all catholics always receive the fruit of the vine too?

Jesus didn't mention any of this stuff; nor did the OT. But the communion of other "ecclesiastical communities" is not valid? And the leaders of catholicism say those communities are Christian communities-yet their communion is invalid. And then yet they say no one can say anyone is saved or lost- but say their communion is invalid.

Sounds like they try to have it all every which way to cover all their bases.

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#166 Jul 5, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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*Jesus broke bread, not sand dollars.
*He also said 'fruit of the vine'. Proof that it was alcohol? Proof that it was juice? When did Jesus say what "proof" the 'fruit of the vine' had to be?
*Why does it matter how far away it can be seen? So the TV cameras see the priests stuffing the bread ONLY in their mouths? And why can't all catholics always receive the fruit of the vine too?
Jesus didn't mention any of this stuff; nor did the OT. But the communion of other "ecclesiastical communities" is not valid? And the leaders of catholicism say those communities are Christian communities-yet their communion is invalid. And then yet they say no one can say anyone is saved or lost- but say their communion is invalid.
Sounds like they try to have it all every which way to cover all their bases.
You have no bases to cover! You have no bases at all! And FYI under normal circumstances all Catholics can and do receive the Blood of Christ. The only times I've known this not to occur is when flu epidemics were feared or tens of thousands of people were in line to receive Communion. I have been an Extraordinary Minister of the Eucharist and offered the chalice many many times with the words, "The Blood of Christ." The Body and Blood of Christ is equally present in the consecrated bread and consecrated wine. Of course you wouldn't know about tens of thousands of people since you are lucky to have ten or so. You may also be shocked to learn many Protestant denominations consider your communion to be invalid as well.

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#167 Jul 5, 2013
What was Jesus Christ doing when he "broke bread?" He was celebrating the Passover with His friends. He was required to use unleavened bread...wheat flour mixed with water and baked. He was also required to use and drink numerous cups of wine. Today one can buy unleavened bread, Matzo, Kosher for Passover. It comes in squares and looks like saltine crackers without the salt. I know some CoC Churches use Matzo and each person breaks off a piece to eat with a little cup of Welchs. Kosher wine for Passover is also available but not in the fruit juice aisle at Walmart. So if you use Kosher Passover Matzo why don't you use Kosher Passover wine?

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#168 Jul 5, 2013
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL wrote:
<quoted text> I sense such a sweet spirit flowing from your soul. I bet when you grow up you will be a Protestant.
I'll bet when you grow up you will be an even bigger a**h**e.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#169 Jul 5, 2013
I have been an Extraordinary Minister of the Eucharist and offered the chalice many many times with the words, "The Blood of Christ."

I'll bet when you grow up you will be an even bigger a**h**e.

Ladies and gentlemen, your RCC evangelistic committee!
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#170 Jul 5, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Again. What are children in your Church? They are not Christians.
They are safe in the hands of God until they are mature enough make a choice to believe in and serve him. How hard is that? No man can make them a christian or save them that is the work of God.

Eph 6:4 Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord.

Proverbs Start children off on the way they should go, and even when they are old they will not turn from it

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#171 Jul 5, 2013
Dave P wrote:
I have been an Extraordinary Minister of the Eucharist and offered the chalice many many times with the words, "The Blood of Christ."
I'll bet when you grow up you will be an even bigger a**h**e.
Ladies and gentlemen, your RCC evangelistic committee!
Just telling like it is.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#172 Jul 5, 2013
Remember when Jesus told those Pharisees they were ....

No, me neither. Because He didn't. What gives us the right to? From the same mouth come both blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not to be this way.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#173 Jul 5, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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They are safe in the hands of God until they are mature enough make a choice to believe in and serve him. How hard is that? No man can make them a christian or save them that is the work of God.
Eph 6:4 Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord.
Proverbs Start children off on the way they should go, and even when they are old they will not turn from it
Not hard at all. Simple actually.
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Owingsville, KY

#174 Jul 5, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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They are safe in the hands of God until they are mature enough make a choice to believe in and serve him. How hard is that? No man can make them a christian or save them that is the work of God.
Eph 6:4 Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord.
Proverbs Start children off on the way they should go, and even when they are old they will not turn from it
Catholics don't seem to care for children very much. They seem to be very hard hearted towards them and we know they are abusive with children from the church scandals. No wonder Mark is so confused.
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Manassas, VA

#175 Jul 5, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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Just telling like it is.
Why don't you tell us like it is about Pope Alexander VI. Was he already a saint or did he get sainted with the other two today?

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#176 Jul 6, 2013
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL wrote:
<quoted text>Why don't you tell us like it is about Pope Alexander VI. Was he already a saint or did he get sainted with the other two today?
Historical record is there for all to see. So now let's hear about all the Presbyterians who do little boys and girls.

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#177 Jul 6, 2013
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL wrote:
<quoted text>Catholics don't seem to care for children very much. They seem to be very hard hearted towards them and we know they are abusive with children from the church scandals. No wonder Mark is so confused.
That's odd coming from a scandalously pro-late term abortion denomination.
Barnsweb

Alliance, OH

#178 Jul 6, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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They are safe in the hands of God until they are mature enough make a choice to believe in and serve him. How hard is that? No man can make them a christian or save them that is the work of God.
Eph 6:4 Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord.
Proverbs Start children off on the way they should go, and even when they are old they will not turn from it
We are told beforehand in Scripture of those who speak unholy things against the saints and blasphemous words against the power and authority in heaven. Those of God hear Jesus and live in accord with others who fear God and desire to be faithful followers of His only begotten Son.

Then there are those whose father is the accuser of the brethren - and the father of lies - who are not able to come to the very words of life because it exposes how evil they really are. They are not living their life in the power and authority given to those who are becoming Sons of God. Instead, they try to keep as many from the truth as possible. It makes them feel better about themselves?

What is the duty of man?
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#179 Jul 6, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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They are safe in the hands of God until they are mature enough make a choice to believe in and serve him. How hard is that? No man can make them a christian or save them that is the work of God.
Eph 6:4 Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord.
Proverbs Start children off on the way they should go, and even when they are old they will not turn from it
The Psalms you quoted were for Jewish children after circumcision. They were part of the old covenant.

Does it mean the same for non-christian children in the fundamentalist protestant churches who are not part of the new covenant yet?

Your belief is brand new in the history of Christianity. 200 years old out of 2000.

For 1800 years there is no historical evidence of children having to wait to baptized.

Jesus said to bring the children to him but you want to keep them pagans.

Prots teach the kids the song "Jesus loves the Little Children" but he must not love them too much if he doesn't want them yet.

Paul notes that baptism has replaced circumcision (Col. 2:11–12). In that passage, he refers to baptism as "the circumcision of Christ" and "the circumcision made without hands." Of course, usually only infants were circumcised under the Old Law; circumcision of adults was rare, since there were few converts to Judaism. If Paul meant to exclude infants, he would not have chosen circumcision as a parallel for baptism.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#180 Jul 6, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
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What is the duty of man?
To believe in the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church which is the pillar and foundation of Truth.

The Bible is sufficient for teaching but is not the complete word of God.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#181 Jul 6, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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Not hard at all. Simple actually.
Simple but completely 100% wrong and invented by men in 1800.

To keep your own children from God is parental neglect as far I am concerned, when Jesus specifically says bring them to me.

The following is from a Protestant website.

The proper question therefore, is not where does Scripture explicitly teach infant baptism, but rather where does it reverse God's command to Abraham to administer the covenant sign and seal to children of believing parents. For two thousand years God's people had been applying the sign of God's covenant to the children of believers. Every faithful Jew understood circumcision to be a visible reminder that he was a part of the people of God. To fail to circumcise one's sons, would be to declare them to be cut off from God's people, grace and promises. To fail to circumcise one's children was unthinkable.

Some argue that because the new covenant is new children should no longer receive the sign of the covenant. It is true that changes attend the institution of the new covenant. Formerly the sign of admission was applied to males only. Now, males and females receive the sign of admission. These are changes which flow from the change from typical, promissory signs (circumcision) to signs of fulfillment (baptism). Thus, the change from circumcision to baptism was a change in circumstances, not substance.

To exclude the children of believing parents from the sign of admission to the visible covenant people or to say that God no longer wishes children to be considered a part of the visible community of God's people is no mere change in circumstance but rather a radical change in God's way of dealing with his people.

To change God's clear command to Abraham, one would expect a clear Word from God on the subject, but nowhere does God's Word tell believers to stop applying the sign of the covenant to their children. Since the new covenant Scriptures never tell us not to apply the covenant sign to our children, we have every reason to believe that the children of believers must receive the sign of entrance into the covenant people.

http://clark.wscal.edu/baptism.php

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