The Errors of Protesantism

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Jul 5, 2013
 
Bobby wrote:
Btw, we do not read prayers or recite prayers, we are encouraged to pray from what is in our hearts. We have another former catholic family in our class who are still struggling to shed their legalism.
I thought this was a Bible Church. You don't like the those fallen away Catholic pray. They have to pray like you do? That is kind of legalistic isnt it.

And hypocritical.

Tell the preacher that you think the whole Church should stand up and say the the Lord's Prayer together this Sunday.

It would be a good wa of worhisping God together instead of a motivational speach from the minister.
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#142
Jul 5, 2013
 
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Jesus said:
"I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser. Every branch of mine that bears no fruit, he takes away, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit. You are already made clean by the word which I have spoken to you. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me. I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in me, and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing. If a man does not abide in me, he is cast forth as a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire and burned. If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you will, and it shall be done for you."
John 15:1-7
In those seven verses, the word ABIDE is mentioned seven times. The context of those verses provides us with a lot of light as to what is required of us by GOD for our eternal salvation.
Jesus was very clear in what we must do in order to have Him ABIDE in us and we in Him.
He left this command for us in John 6:53-57, and it is the only place in Holy Scripture in which you will find it:
53 "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you (the taken away branch); 54 he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 56 HE WHO EATS MY FLESH AND DRINKS MY BLOOD ABIDES IN ME, AND I IN HIM. 57 As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me."
What does "Truly, truly" mean to you in verse 53? What does "unless" mean?
The body lives because it receives real food sustenance. Starve the body and it will die.
Just as the body needs real sustenance, so does the soul, else it will not bear fruit.
The soul lives by real Divine sustenance, the true presence of Jesus Christ in the Holy Eucharist.
He is the 'Word' made flesh, isn't He? He said we need to abide in His word. He is the Word. No, it's not merely a piece of bread that someone said a prayer over. To date I've seen no one who lives as He did and knows what He said by merely eating the bread - He is the bread of life that came down from heaven, and as you prove a singular point by His word, there are many other things we need to do -'I know your works'- are those works we do the works He said we are to do? Do we believe in and abide in and do whatever He said?(Acts 3:22,23)

Your oversimplification is no more helpful than those that teach that He did it all for us and we have no need to do anything with His words that lead to eternal life. You say 'eat the Holy Eucharist' and they say 'Just say this prayer after me, but it doesn't matter what we do.' He said to abide in His words of life - all of them, not just one.

Matt. 28 great commission:
1. Make disciples of Him.(sermon on the mount)
2. Immerse them into His name.(acts 2:38,39)
3. Teach them to keep His commandments.(Acts 3:22,23 and Rev.)

He didn't single out the Holy Eucharist as the focal point, but He did single out the need to be disciples who abide in His word to know the truth and eternal life.
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He is the 'Word' made flesh, isn't He? He said we need to abide in His word. He is the Word. No, it's not merely a piece of bread that someone said a prayer over. To date I've seen no one who lives as He did and knows what He said by merely eating the bread - He is the bread of life that came down from heaven, and as you prove a singular point by His word, there are many other things we need to do -'I know your works'- are those works we do the works He said we are to do? Do we believe in and abide in and do whatever He said?(Acts 3:22,23)
Your oversimplification is no more helpful than those that teach that He did it all for us and we have no need to do anything with His words that lead to eternal life. You say 'eat the Holy Eucharist' and they say 'Just say this prayer after me, but it doesn't matter what we do.' He said to abide in His words of life - all of them, not just one.
Matt. 28 great commission:
1. Make disciples of Him.(sermon on the mount)
2. Immerse them into His name.(acts 2:38,39)
3. Teach them to keep His commandments.(Acts 3:22,23 and Rev.)
He didn't single out the Holy Eucharist as the focal point, but He did single out the need to be disciples who abide in His word to know the truth and eternal life.
How can any human being live like God.

All I mentioned is what Jesus said abide in him means. This is not the whole Bible.

I agree with every verse in the Bible . But just the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth. Not you.

The Bible is "this and that". Not "this not that."
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#144
Jul 5, 2013
 
Bobby wrote:
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All of our other 35 classes have teachers who have no catholic background and all of them do the same things-it is not a catholic idea we were doing that before he became a class leader! It is bible-bible church.
So why don't they pray these at your worship service. Might take 5 minutes from the preacher man and he has to earn his 150,0000 salary.

What is the total of all salaries for all the ministers in your church.

Man made churches create a lot of wealth for the men who start them. Especially Bible Churchs
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How can any human being live like God.
All I mentioned is what Jesus said abide in him means. This is not the whole Bible.
I agree with every verse in the Bible . But just the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth. Not you.
The Bible is "this and that". Not "this not that."
Y'shua came to show us how to live like we were created to be. When we live as He lived, when we are growing in Him and His word and life and Spirit - we are doing as He said and acting under His authority that we might become sons of God, but He alone is the Son of God -

'The sum of Thy word is truth', not 'some of Thy word is truth.'

I agree that everything He taught is our food and our life.
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#146
Jul 5, 2013
 
As Acts 3 says, He came to turn each one of us from our iniquities, to do the will of God - which is exactly what He taught from the beginning.
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When do you stand up and pray in your Bible churh service?
You know only ministers are allowed to pray out loud.
Absolutely not true, not even true in the churches of Christ, where it is true that women are not allowed to pray out loud but any male member can lead the prayer. Whereas in the bible churches only members can pray publicly in church services. In classes even the children are encouraged to pray but never forced.

You see, we believe in the priesthood of every believer. 1 Peter 2:5-9 with a personal relationship and he sympathizes with our weaknesses. Hebrews 4:14-16

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How can any human being live like God.
All I mentioned is what Jesus said abide in him means. This is not the whole Bible.
I agree with every verse in the Bible . But just the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth. Not you.
The Bible is "this and that". Not "this not that."
Baloney- Jesus is the foundation (rock of truth) and head of the church.

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Jul 5, 2013
 
Whoopee!
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Bobby wrote:
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Absolutely not true, not even true in the churches of Christ, where it is true that women are not allowed to pray out loud but any male member can lead the prayer. Whereas in the bible churches only members can pray publicly in church services. In classes even the children are encouraged to pray but never forced.
You see, we believe in the priesthood of every believer. 1 Peter 2:5-9 with a personal relationship and he sympathizes with our weaknesses. Hebrews 4:14-16
Every man, woman and child , even non Catholics pray together publicly in Mass. They are worshiping God together.

Lets say at your Church service last Sunday you had 2,000 at Church. How many said a prayer publicly

The Children in your church are not Christians yet. What are they called besides children.

You disobey Jesus when you tell them they can't go to him and be part of he Kingdom even though Jesus says they should be.
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Mike Peterson wrote:
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Every man, woman and child , even non Catholics pray together publicly in Mass. They are worshiping God together.
Lets say at your Church service last Sunday you had 2,000 at Church. How many said a prayer publicly
The Children in your church are not Christians yet. What are they called besides children.
You disobey Jesus when you tell them they can't go to him and be part of he Kingdom even though Jesus says they should be.
So, you just get them baptized without their permission, knowledge or understanding then teach them to read a prayer or memorize it and they are good to go-until they have the great awakening in purgatory?
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Baloney- Jesus is the foundation (rock of truth) and head of the church.
Of course Jesus is head of the Church. He started the Church.

But doesn't the Bible say that the Church is pillar and foundation of Truth and not the Bible.
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When do you stand up and pray in your Bible churh service?
You know only ministers are allowed to pray out loud.
This is absolutely wrong.
Dave P

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Jul 5, 2013
 
Pillar and foundation, eucharist.

Mile wide, inch deep. That's all they have.

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Pillar and foundation, eucharist.
Mile wide, inch deep. That's all they have.
And we measure yours in micrometers. Welchs and crackers. That's all you have.
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#156
Jul 5, 2013
 
I was speaking of theology. You are speaking of "personal things". Heart condition.

Welches? Is using grape juice for communion a sin? It HAS to be wine?

Crackers? What's the deal with those sand dollar-looking wafers your crew uses? Technically, shouldn't we all use a LOAF?

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Dave P wrote:
I was speaking of theology. You are speaking of "personal things". Heart condition.
Welches? Is using grape juice for communion a sin? It HAS to be wine?
Crackers? What's the deal with those sand dollar-looking wafers your crew uses? Technically, shouldn't we all use a LOAF?
I've no idea to which personal things you are referring.

Since your communion is not valid it doesn't matter what you use.

Those unleavened bread sand dollars are made with nothing but flour and water. They are round for a practical purpose...to minimize breakage and crumbs. Some are very small for individuals and some are quite large so as to be seen from great distances. Since millions are made in Kentucky each year you may be able to get your hands on some and forgo the Triscuits. The Catholic Church forbids the use of any ingredients other than flour and water for communion bread. The Catholic Church forbids the use of non-fermented grape juice for communion and even specifies the minimal alcohol content it must meet to be used.
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So, you just get them baptized without their permission, knowledge or understanding then teach them to read a prayer or memorize it and they are good to go-until they have the great awakening in purgatory?
Again. What are children in your Church? They are not Christians.
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Jul 5, 2013
 
The Protestant Error of Joining a Church Based on Feelings Alone:

[Feelings: Opinions based more on emotion than reason.]

GOD desires just the opposite, truth based on reason rather than emotion.

From "reason" we can find truth. From "emotion" we can fall into error.

How many times have you heard someone say they "feel" nothing in that other church but have an "emotional high" in the one they attend, so therefore it must be the correct one? Nowhere in Holy Scripture does it say that the Church which Jesus Christ founded is based on feelings and emotions. His Church is based on truth and faith, and not on hype that stirs the emotions.

Many sects deliberately design their services to do just that, to arouse the feelings in order to gain an emotional high. After all, they think that they must have to do something 'different' in order to separate themselves from the 'pack' of tens of thousands of other sects, in order to attract a larger audience. You see, a larger audience means more funds in the collection basket.

The mind set of so many people today, regardless of truth is:
"If it feels good for me, then that must be the way to go."
This is the heresy of modernist enlightenment.

"In those days there was no king in Israel; every man did what was right in his own eyes."
Judges 21:25.

This is not GOD's way, for GOD cares not for the opinions of men (Mark 12:14).
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Jul 5, 2013
 
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL wrote:
<quoted text>Is the Pope man or God?
The Pope is the Pope.

CCC:

882 The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter's successor, "is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful."402 "For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered."403

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