The Errors of Protesantism
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#101 Jul 4, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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You are way out on this one even for a Prot.
Errors of Protestantism. See Dave P as an example.
I have to add low church Protestantism for Mark.
Yeah, forget the facts, the scriptures themselves. Mike and the RCC say that the scriptures don't mention other scriptures. It's on the internet, it must be true right?

Mike, do you approve of the language Mark uses here? Is that standard catholic fare? Is it a venial or mortal sin? Or perfectly ok to talk to "low church, low end prots" in such a way?

Since: Jun 11

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#102 Jul 4, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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You are way out on this one even for a Prot.
Errors of Protestantism. See Dave P as an example.
I have to add low church Protestantism for Mark.
That would be low "end." Low church and high church are completely different animals, not derogatory terms, and one must be familiar with the Episcopal or Anglican church to know the meanings.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#103 Jul 4, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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Matthew 15:1-9 fits well here.
Yes, Jesus is our high Priest. Without catholic tradition the catholics cannot defend their position on this.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#104 Jul 4, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
RCS: "An example of the Catholics, Priests can forgive sins and we must confess to them before communion. I do not see it in the bible. Is it legalism?"
Once again an error of Protestantism. The Bible is never mentioned in the Bible.
Synonyms? Bible, Scripture, Holy Scripture, Torah, the scrolls Prophets, Law and Testimony, Word of God, words of God, we could go on and on, but the common term used today is 'Bible', which is slang for the total of the OT and NT. So the 'Scriptures' say so, the apostles of Jesus taught what He taught them - and I John 1:9 should be adequate directions if we believe the rest of the matter as revealed by them.

So 'Bible' not being in the 'Set-Apart Scriptures' doesn't mean the word of God is voided by use of the word 'Bible'- does it?
We don't mass print in scrolls any more, but that doesn't affect the words on the pages - nor writing backwards as in the East VS the r to l of the West.

What matters is to believe the word of God is sure and true.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#105 Jul 4, 2013
"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help." - Ronald Reagan

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan

"I have wondered at times about what the Ten Commandment's would have looked like if Moses had run them through the U.S. Congress." - Ronald Reagan

"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#106 Jul 4, 2013
Bobby wrote:
"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help." - Ronald Reagan
"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan
"I have wondered at times about what the Ten Commandment's would have looked like if Moses had run them through the U.S. Congress." - Ronald Reagan
"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
Like all those. My personal favorite Reagan quote is "If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth."

I do wonder what the "Big 10" would look like run through Congress.

*PS- I run across an old quote you said Bobby. You said you used to work with a guy nicknamed Porchlight, because everybody thought his light flickered. About died laughing when I saw that.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#107 Jul 4, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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Like all those. My personal favorite Reagan quote is "If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth."
I do wonder what the "Big 10" would look like run through Congress.
*PS- I run across an old quote you said Bobby. You said you used to work with a guy nicknamed Porchlight, because everybody thought his light flickered. About died laughing when I saw that.
One thing about porchlight, I know he has heard the gospel...

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#108 Jul 4, 2013
Just a few ways to recognize a high end protestant church:

The worship space is constructed of stone, brick or sometimes wood and designed by an architect with more than a passing nod to Wren and tradition.
The word "First" appears before the church name.
The staff has advanced degrees from accredited universities or divinity schools.
The pastor wears some form of choir dress while conducting worship services but could also wear academic regalia.
The only musical instrument used is a pipe organ sometimes supplemented with orchestral instruments.
The walls and ceiling in the worship space are quite high with stained or decorative glass windows.
Lighting is with brass multi-arm colonial chandeliers or else Gothic Revival hanging pendants.
Depending on the denomination there will be an elaborate baptistery or font.
The robed choir will be seated behind the pulpit facing the congregation.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#109 Jul 4, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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Yeah, forget the facts, the scriptures themselves. Mike and the RCC say that the scriptures don't mention other scriptures. It's on the internet, it must be true right?
Mike, do you approve of the language Mark uses here? Is that standard catholic fare? Is it a venial or mortal sin? Or perfectly ok to talk to "low church, low end prots" in such a way?
Show me the exact verse that says there will be a book that will show everything you need to know for salvation. First there will be a church will be the pillar and foundation of truth and then 350 years later the book will show up and that's all you need.

But wait there is more. That verse will say the Church will exist for 1100 years more and only then the Bible only will take affect.

Even Protestants theologians use high and low church. It describes the way a non Catholic ecclesial community "worships".

2 songs, a man preaching for 40 minutes in a building with that you with just paint on the walls is low church.

Basically it describes the "holiness" of worship.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#110 Jul 4, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
Just a few ways to recognize a high end protestant church:
The worship space is constructed of stone, brick or sometimes wood and designed by an architect with more than a passing nod to Wren and tradition.
The word "First" appears before the church name.
The staff has advanced degrees from accredited universities or divinity schools.
The pastor wears some form of choir dress while conducting worship services but could also wear academic regalia.
The only musical instrument used is a pipe organ sometimes supplemented with orchestral instruments.
The walls and ceiling in the worship space are quite high with stained or decorative glass windows.
Lighting is with brass multi-arm colonial chandeliers or else Gothic Revival hanging pendants.
Depending on the denomination there will be an elaborate baptistery or font.
The robed choir will be seated behind the pulpit facing the congregation.
You just described a low end catholic church. You see not everything is measured against catholicism -it has never been the standard.

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#111 Jul 4, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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Yeah, forget the facts, the scriptures themselves. Mike and the RCC say that the scriptures don't mention other scriptures. It's on the internet, it must be true right?
Mike, do you approve of the language Mark uses here? Is that standard catholic fare? Is it a venial or mortal sin? Or perfectly ok to talk to "low church, low end prots" in such a way?
Said the judge, jury and executioner. Too bad I'm not allowed to use the language you bashers deserve.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#112 Jul 4, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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You just described a low end catholic church. You see not everything is measured against catholicism -it has never been the standard.
Catholicism is the only standard. It is the Church Jesus started and is 2000 years old.

Ridiculous statement. Name one Protestant Church from ad 32 and ad 1520.

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#113 Jul 4, 2013
A few ways to recognize a high protestant church:

The floor plan will be nave>choir>apse.
The clergy will wear vestments though some may wear choir dress.
The order of worship will draw heavily from or be nearly identical to the Book of Common Prayer either 1928 or 1979.
A high Episcopal Church will most likely use 1979.
Morning and Evening Prayer as well as Communion liturgies are used.
There will be a pipe organ, plain chant, numerous times of kneeling and standing. Highly decorated kneelers are typical.
Candles will be used on the altar and elsewhere.
Incense may be used as well as a Sanctus bell. Rosaries may be in evidence.
Women may have their heads covered.
An elaborate tetragrammaton may be incorporated in the altar embellishments.
The altar itself may be stone or wood and will often have a decorative fabric frontal.
The main altar will be placed on the eastern wall.
There will be an elaborate baptistery or font located near the western entrance of the nave.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#114 Jul 4, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
A few ways to recognize a high protestant church:
The floor plan will be nave>choir>apse.
The clergy will wear vestments though some may wear choir dress.
The order of worship will draw heavily from or be nearly identical to the Book of Common Prayer either 1928 or 1979.
A high Episcopal Church will most likely use 1979.
Morning and Evening Prayer as well as Communion liturgies are used.
There will be a pipe organ, plain chant, numerous times of kneeling and standing. Highly decorated kneelers are typical.
Candles will be used on the altar and elsewhere.
Incense may be used as well as a Sanctus bell. Rosaries may be in evidence.
Women may have their heads covered.
An elaborate tetragrammaton may be incorporated in the altar embellishments.
The altar itself may be stone or wood and will often have a decorative fabric frontal.
The main altar will be placed on the eastern wall.
There will be an elaborate baptistery or font located near the western entrance of the nave.
Nothing more than a low catholic church...

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#115 Jul 4, 2013
There is no such thing as a low or high Catholic Church. These terms are strictly a Protestant confection and usage.

Catholics do have Low Masses and High Masses. A Low Mass can be celebrated in the grandeur of St. Peter's Basilica and a High Mass can be celebrated in the simplest, smallest Catholic Church or even under a tree. The distinction is primarily one of singing. High masses are mostly all sung and incorporate many of the wonderful things like incense and asperges we Catholics are famous for. Low masses are not sung and do not use incense etc. Most ordinary Sunday Masses in a typical parish are a mix of the two.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#116 Jul 4, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
There is no such thing as a low or high Catholic Church. These terms are strictly a Protestant confection and usage.
Catholics do have Low Masses and High Masses. A Low Mass can be celebrated in the grandeur of St. Peter's Basilica and a High Mass can be celebrated in the simplest, smallest Catholic Church or even under a tree. The distinction is primarily one of singing. High masses are mostly all sung and incorporate many of the wonderful things like incense and asperges we Catholics are famous for. Low masses are not sung and do not use incense etc. Most ordinary Sunday Masses in a typical parish are a mix of the two.
In my opinion any church that practices works for salvation or legalism is a low end church-that especially includes yours. Anyone who goes to a church always thinks theirs is better, you are no different.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#117 Jul 4, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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In my opinion any church that practices works for salvation or legalism is a low end church-that especially includes yours. Anyone who goes to a church always thinks theirs is better, you are no different.
A 'Bible' Church is a prime example of low church.

Jesus and the Apostles started the CC church.

Who started your Church? I am sure you can name the person but you wont.

How many people pray in your worship service. When I as a prot,sometimes a music minister or deacon, would say 1 prayer and the preacher man would say 2

You can go your whole life in a protestant church without saying one prayer.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#118 Jul 4, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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A 'Bible' Church is a prime example of low church.
Jesus and the Apostles started the CC church.
Who started your Church? I am sure you can name the person but you wont.
How many people pray in your worship service. When I as a prot,sometimes a music minister or deacon, would say 1 prayer and the preacher man would say 2
You can go your whole life in a protestant church without saying one prayer.
Baloney! Just because catholics need a prearranged recital prayer with some priest to lead them or even if it is read straight from the scripture does not mean it comes from the heart-it may be just a recital with no meaning. Our church is a praying people. In our classes we ask for prayer request, then we ask others to pray for them. It sometimes takes 15 or 20 minutes and nearly everyone in the class is leading a specific prayer according to the requests. Even our women pray.

Most of my prayer life is when I pray alone to my God, sometimes silent and sometimes out loud even if I am the only one there. I often pray Jesus prayer in luke 11 even though some coc say we cannot pray that prayer because they say the kingdom has already come. The kingdom has yet to come in it's fullness. I prayed that prayer in the coc once and got called to the church office.

Our class leader sends emails for prayer requests at least once a week, here is a recent one.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#119 Jul 4, 2013
Here are Sunday's praise and prayer requests; please take a moment to lift up your community in prayer.

When you pray, may I ask that you invite the Holy Spirit to be your guide today. That He may remove all obstacles and distractions and allow you a moment of clarity and peace in your day.

Peace to you all

Christopher's growth.

Ruhde - Logan to find a Christian roommate.

Asthma relief for Debs and Alyx.

growth in daily walk for Phil

Jones - Ron is flying home from Spain today. Pray for a safe and "restful"flight. Pray for our trip to Utah & on to CA this week. We are leaving Tuesday.

Recovery - Sue, Mellisa

Continued prayer for Tina and her family for peace and comfort.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#120 Jul 4, 2013
By the way that class leader is a former catholic.

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