The Errors of Protesantism
Barnsweb

Alliance, OH

#21 Jun 30, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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The apostles refer to those books. The Jews took those books out in AD 90..
During the first century, the Jews disagreed as to what constituted the canon of Scripture. In fact, there were a large number of different canons in use, including the growing canon used by Christians. In order to combat the spreading Christian cult, rabbis met at the city of Jamnia or Javneh in A.D. 90 to determine which books were truly the Word of God. They pronounced many books, including the Gospels, to be unfit as scriptures. This canon also excluded seven books (Baruch, Sirach, 1 and 2 Maccabees, Tobit, Judith, and the Wisdom of Solomon, plus portions of Esther and Daniel) that Christians considered part of the Old Testament.
The group of Jews which met at Javneh became the dominant group for later Jewish history, and today most Jews accept the canon of Javneh. However, some Jews, such as those from Ethiopia, follow a different canon which is identical to the Catholic Old Testament and includes the seven deuterocanonical books (cf. Encyclopedia Judaica, vol. 6, p. 1147).
Needless to say, the Church disregarded the results of Javneh. First, a Jewish council after the time of Christ is not binding on the followers of Christ. Second, Javneh rejected precisely those documents which are foundational for the Christian Church—the Gospels and the other documents of the New Testament. Third, by rejecting the deuterocanonicals, Javneh rejected books which had been used by Jesus and the apostles and which were in the edition of the Bible that the apostles used in everyday life—the Septuagint.
The textual evidence in the AENT shows that Y'shua and the apostles used the Hebrew scriptures, not the Septuagint. So who even changed the version of the Scriptures, His name, and added and took way from the original books? Who translated the gospels into Greek? The Jews? Or Rome?
Barnsweb

Alliance, OH

#22 Jun 30, 2013
Hebrews four comments on the Sabbath are revealing. Who can read this passage and deny that Israel didn't keep His directions and perished in the wilderness. Then we are warned to not do the same as they. On top is the example that God set apart the Sabbath from the start and we are directed to do as He did...

But who really is capable to hear Him? What anyone does is evidences if they do or not. Did those of Israel hear God? Just as then, there are precious few who do.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#23 Jun 30, 2013
The Protestant Rejection of Authority Error:

"He who hears you, hears me; and he who rejects you, rejects me; and he who rejects me, rejects him who sent me." Luke 10:16

That is authority!

Powerful words from the mouth of Jesus Christ to his disciples, the leaders of His Church.

Those who hear His Church, hear him, is what Jesus Christ said in that verse.

Conversely, those who do not hear his Church, do not hear him. If you are interested to know what will be the fate of those who reject His Church, then read the context in Luke 10:1-15.

Holy Scripture has a lot to say about authority, as to just who has it and who does not, and how important a central authority is to the understanding of truth.

However, Protestants have consistently rejected all authority. They simply rejected what they never could have had from the onset of their revolt. However, rejection of authority is anti-Christian and anti-Bible. Since they have rejected his Church, haven't they rejected Jesus Christ and the Father as well? Luke 10:16 has clearly told us that they have.

"Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment."
Romans 13:1-2

"Obey your prelates and be subject to them. For they watch as being to render an account of your souls: that they may do this with joy and not with grief. For this is not expedient for you."
Hebrews 13:17

Was Martin Luther and the other leaders of the Protestant revolt obedient as this verse demands?

"If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector."
Matthew 18:15-17

So what does this verse tell us as to where the final authority is to be found? What is the name of that Church, since it is still with us? To what Church would you go in order to obey the command of Jesus Christ in those verses if you lived in 110, or 450, or 1025, or 1490? Can you name it?

There are many verses which warn against forsaking GOD given authority regarding His Assembly (O.T.) or Church (N.T.) which He bestowed upon prophets such as Moses

Exodus 3-40, and on the Apostles John 20:21-23, and to their successors, Hebrews 13:7-8, 13:17.
Read of Mariam and Aaron as they complained against the authority of Moses in
Numbers 12:1-15,(3) "Is it through Moses alone that the Lord speaks? Does he not speak through us also?"
GOD became angry with this remark, since He had previously chosen to speak through his one and only father figure, His "vicar" on earth, Moses. Consequently he turned Mariam into a leper.
Read of the rebellion of Korah against the GOD given authority of Moses in Numbers 16, and pay especial attention to what happened to Korah, and to his followers in Numbers 16:31-35.
His ending, and that of his followers is not pretty to say the least.

Which person in any of the now 39,000 Protestant sects has any authority at all?
Who has the over all authority to separate truth in teaching from the pitfall of error?

The rejection of authority is merely a Protestant defense mechanism. Since they obviously knew that they had no authority to begin with, they simply elected to reject all authority. However, their rejection of authority is highly anti-Christian and anti-Biblical.
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Manassas, VA

#24 Jun 30, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
Hebrews four comments on the Sabbath are revealing. Who can read this passage and deny that Israel didn't keep His directions and perished in the wilderness. Then we are warned to not do the same as they. On top is the example that God set apart the Sabbath from the start and we are directed to do as He did...
But who really is capable to hear Him? What anyone does is evidences if they do or not. Did those of Israel hear God? Just as then, there are precious few who do.
I see this problem. Yes, Sabbath rest is being referred to in the early Hebrew verses. In the below verse another day I believe is speaking of the return of the Messiah. At the very least another day would seem to be speaking of another day than the seventh.

Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#25 Jun 30, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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This morning when you go to church look around and ask yourself why it looks just like a Baptist church. Ask yourself why you are singing hymns written by Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, and Anglicans. Ask yourself why it's Welchs.
Perhaps you should examine why you follow a religion that simply moved its temple and sacrifices from Jerusalem to Rome. Judaism revived.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#26 Jun 30, 2013
"He who hears you, hears me; and he who rejects you, rejects me; and he who rejects me, rejects him who sent me." Luke 10:16 That is authority! Powerful words from the mouth of Jesus Christ to his disciples, the leaders of His Church. Those who hear His Church, hear him, is what Jesus Christ said in that verse.

Holy twisted sister Batman! Where's the context? This was addressed to the seventy with a specific mission. Church didn't exist at that time. Nice attempt to stretch that to apply to your group today, but it fails. Sorry. Jesus doesn't say what you make Him say there.

"Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment." Romans 13:1-2

*Paul speaking of secular authority, government, not obeying "church authority" here. Context.

Was Martin Luther and the other leaders of the Protestant revolt obedient as this verse demands?

*Ever hear that "we ought to obey God rather than man"?

Matthew 18:15-17 So what does this verse tell us as to where the final authority is to be found? What is the name of that Church, since it is still with us? To what Church would you go in order to obey the command of Jesus Christ in those verses if you lived in 110, or 450, or 1025, or 1490? Can you name it?

*First it depends where one lives. I'm not going to Jerusalem to be disciplined when I live in Jacksonville. Second, you left out the real authority in those verses. 18-20 shows where the real authority is- in heaven, by the Father.

*You also seem to have no real understanding of how authority works in so-called "prot" churches, although you claimed to be a baptist. Also, speaking so much of authority, you sound like legalistic coc; and the urge for power and control becomes very apparent.

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#27 Jun 30, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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Perhaps you should examine why you follow a religion that simply moved its temple and sacrifices from Jerusalem to Rome. Judaism revived.
Dude you need a good whiff of frankincense and beeswax candles.
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Manassas, VA

#28 Jun 30, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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Dude you need a good whiff of frankincense and beeswax candles.
The "X" and peanut you put on my posts Mark let me know you are reading my posts which I am thankful for. Are you learning anything? If not, be patient. It will come together in a while if you keep trying.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#29 Jun 30, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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Dude you need a good whiff of frankincense and beeswax candles.
Agree. I like candles.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#30 Jun 30, 2013
*You also seem to have no real understanding of how authority works in so-called "prot" churches, although you claimed to be a baptist. Also, speaking so much of authority, you sound like legalistic coc; and the urge for power and control becomes very apparent"

Authority doesn't work in non-Catholic communities.

Whatever the leaders are called vote. The ones that are outvoted leaves and start a new Church etc, etc ,etc.

Since: Jun 11

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#31 Jun 30, 2013
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL wrote:
<quoted text>The "X" and peanut you put on my posts Mark let me know you are reading my posts which I am thankful for. Are you learning anything? If not, be patient. It will come together in a while if you keep trying.
Sorry, haven't put anything on your posts. But if I could it would be my middle finger.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#32 Jun 30, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
<quoted text>You certainly may have heard this poll reported on EWTN. However, I found the source. The Public Religion Research Institute always manages to find overwhelming support for liberal causes from amnesty for illegal aliens and abortion to smoking weed. PRRI claims 50% of young Christians support legalization of marijuana. PRRI is funded by The Brookings Institute, Nathan Cummings Foundation, the Ford Foundation and the Four Freedoms Fund. As I suspected it didn't take long to find ties to George Soros.

One thing's for sure the Magisterium of the Catholic Church is not governed by polls or the opinions of folks in the pews.
I can help it if Catholics can't get the statistics right.
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Morehead, KY

#33 Jun 30, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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Sorry, haven't put anything on your posts. But if I could it would be my middle finger.
That's very Catholic of you Mark.
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Morehead, KY

#34 Jun 30, 2013
HEATH - 72 wrote:
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I can help it if Catholics can't get the statistics right.
It is hard for them to keep up with numbers. After 10 fingers and 10 toes they are completely lost.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#35 Jun 30, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
*You also seem to have no real understanding of how authority works in so-called "prot" churches, although you claimed to be a baptist. Also, speaking so much of authority, you sound like legalistic coc; and the urge for power and control becomes very apparent"
Authority doesn't work in non-Catholic communities.
Whatever the leaders are called vote. The ones that are outvoted leaves and start a new Church etc, etc ,etc.
XXXXXX! Wrong answer. Authority works very well in many places. Voting? Not everywhere. Losers leave and start a new church? Not seen this in my area.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#36 Jun 30, 2013
HEATH - 72 wrote:
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I can help it if Catholics can't get the statistics right.
Thanks for keeping this fresh.

Since: Jun 11

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#37 Jun 30, 2013
HEATH - 72 wrote:
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I can help it if Catholics can't get the statistics right.
So you are ok with the same George Soros funded polling organization saying 50% of young Christians favor legalization of marijuana? Come to think of it if these young Christians are in the CofC the percentage is probably right on the money or even low. You certainly seem to have had the munchies a time or two.

R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Morehead, KY

#38 Jun 30, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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So you are ok with the same George Soros funded polling organization saying 50% of young Christians favor legalization of marijuana? Come to think of it if these young Christians are in the CofC the percentage is probably right on the money or even low. You certainly seem to have had the munchies a time or two.
Mark, you need to check with your doctor about getting your medication adjusted.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#39 Jun 30, 2013
The Bible Only Error:

Protestants who claim to follow Holy Scripture literally, practice a false man-made doctrine which they have labeled Sola Scriptura or "Bible Only", a term virtually unknown before the Protestant revolt of the early sixteenth century.

In other words, they say that the Bible is all they need or want because they claim it contains everything necessary for salvation. Anything outside of the Bible is immaterial and should simply be ignored or discarded. By taking such a narrow view of salvation history, they have boxed themselves in to a limited knowledge of Christianity.

This grave limitation exposes them to increased and compounded error, because for them to believe in anything, therefore, they must be able to find it in the Bible.

However, the very doctrine of Sola Scriptura itself, is not to be found anywhere in Holy Scripture.

That being the case, how could anyone practice it and not be accused of hypocrisy?

Sola Scriptura has failed this most basic test. It is not Biblical. It is certainly not historical before the Protestant revolt. It could not possibly have worked before the invention of the printing press when Bibles became plentiful. It could not possibly have worked when 95% of the masses were illiterate. From the evidence I have presented in this essay, it simply could not, and does not, and never will work. Protestantism fabricated this false man-made doctrine of Sola Scriptura simply because they have nothing else to work with.

Since Scripture is not self authenticating, and is not self teaching*, and does not specify which books within it are inspired, how can the Protestant know that the book to which he holds is inspired at all?
*Acts 8:30-31, 2Peter 3:16

Sola Scriptura has failed this most basic test. It is not Biblical.

It is certainly not historical before the Protestant revolt.

It could not possibly have worked before the invention of the printing press when Bibles became plentiful. It could not possibly have worked when 95% of the masses were illiterate. it simply could not, and does not, and never will work.

Protestantism fabricated this false man-made doctrine of Sola Scriptura simply because they have nothing else to work with.

Since: Jun 11

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#40 Jun 30, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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Agree. I like candles.
Candles are one thing. Beeswax candles for liturgical use are something else entirely. There is an Orthodox monastery in South Carolina that makes them. Catholic Churches are supposed to use beeswax candles but few do except on special occasions due to the cost. So I order from Saints Mary and Martha Monastery. I recently got a pound of incense from the Prinknash Abbey in England...not too shabby! My house smells like the 4th Century sometimes.

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