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#364 Jul 23, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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You don't believe all God's children can be blessed.
You believe that they have to reach some fictional age to be blessed.
You don't consider your children Christians.
Don't you love it when they proof text! I think they would have learned by now.

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#365 Jul 23, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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You don't believe all God's children can be blessed.
You believe that they have to reach some fictional age to be blessed.
You don't consider your children Christians.
I believe what the scripture says didnt you read those few verses. There are like 100s more that also claim such. Tell us how the infant is blessed in your group... Sprinkled?

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#366 Jul 23, 2013
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Pay attention to the scripture. You are disobeying the Bible in your post. You are supposed to call her Blessed Mary.
Mary was "saved." Mary needed a savior! from sin in a most sublime . She was given the grace to be "saved" completely from sin so that she never committed even the slightest transgression.
Protestants tend to emphasize God’s "salvation" almost exclusively to the forgiveness of sins actually committed. However, Sacred Scripture indicates that salvation can also refer to man being protected from sinning before the fact:
Now to him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you without blemish before the presence of his glory with rejoicing, to the only God, our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and for ever.(Jude 24-25)
So this Man full of the Holy Spirit forgot to Call her Blessed Mary. As a matter of Fact he blessed them.

25 And there was a man in Jerusalem whose name was Simeon; and this man was righteous and devout, looking for the consolation of Israel; and the Holy Spirit was upon him. 26 And it had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Lord’s [j]Christ. 27 And he came in the Spirit into the temple; and when the parents brought in the child Jesus,[k]to carry out for Him the custom of the Law, 28 then he took Him into his arms, and blessed God, and said,

29 “Now Lord, You are releasing Your bond-servant to depart in peace,
According to Your word;
30 For my eyes have seen Your salvation,
31 Which You have prepared in the presence of all peoples,
32 A Light [l]of revelation to the Gentiles,
And the glory of Your people Israel.”

33 And His father and mother were amazed at the things which were being said about Him. 34 And Simeon blessed them and said to Mary His mother,“Behold, this Child is appointed for the fall and [m]rise of many in Israel, and for a sign to be opposed— 35 and a sword will pierce even your own soul—to the end that thoughts from many hearts may be revealed.”
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#367 Jul 23, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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So this Man full of the Holy Spirit forgot to Call her Blessed Mary. As a matter of Fact he blessed them.
25 And there was a man in Jerusalem whose name was Simeon; and this man was righteous and devout, looking for the consolation of Israel; and the Holy Spirit was upon him. 26 And it had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Lord’s [j]Christ. 27 And he came in the Spirit into the temple; and when the parents brought in the child Jesus,[k]to carry out for Him the custom of the Law, 28 then he took Him into his arms, and blessed God, and said,
29 “Now Lord, You are releasing Your bond-servant to depart in peace,
According to Your word;
30 For my eyes have seen Your salvation,
31 Which You have prepared in the presence of all peoples,
32 A Light [l]of revelation to the Gentiles,
And the glory of Your people Israel.”
33 And His father and mother were amazed at the things which were being said about Him. 34 And Simeon blessed them and said to Mary His mother,“Behold, this Child is appointed for the fall and [m]rise of many in Israel, and for a sign to be opposed— 35 and a sword will pierce even your own soul—to the end that thoughts from many hearts may be revealed.”
A great Catholic passage.

The Presentation in the temple further reveals the cooperation and union of Mary with Christ in his work of redemption. As Mary and Joseph bring Jesus to into the temple in Jerusalem they are approached by Simeon who declares that his eyes have seen God’s salvation in the infant Jesus (Luke 2:30). As Joseph and Mary marveled at his words he blesses them and declares to Mary,“Behold, this child is appointed for the fall and rising of many in Israel, and for a sign that is opposed (and a sword will pierce through your own soul also), so that thoughts from many hearts may be revealed”(Luke 2:34-35). With these words Simeon revealed to Mary that as the mother of Christ she would intimately experience the pains of his suffering. Venerable Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen described the significance of this scene in Luke’s gospel:

“If He was to be the Man of Sorrows, she would be the Mother of Sorrows. An unsuffering Madonna to the suffering Christ would be a loveless Madonna. Since Christ loved mankind so much that He wanted to die to expiate its guilt, then He would also will that His mother should be wrapped in the swaddling bands of His own grief. From the moment she heard Simeon’s words, she would never again lift the Child’s hands without seeing a shadow of nails on them; every sunset would be a blood-red image of His Passion.”– Life of Christ, p. 35

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#369 Jul 24, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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A great Catholic passage.
The Presentation in the temple further reveals the cooperation and union of Mary with Christ in his work of redemption. As Mary and Joseph bring Jesus to into the temple in Jerusalem they are approached by Simeon who declares that his eyes have seen God’s salvation in the infant Jesus (Luke 2:30). As Joseph and Mary marveled at his words he blesses them and declares to Mary,“Behold, this child is appointed for the fall and rising of many in Israel, and for a sign that is opposed (and a sword will pierce through your own soul also), so that thoughts from many hearts may be revealed”(Luke 2:34-35). With these words Simeon revealed to Mary that as the mother of Christ she would intimately experience the pains of his suffering. Venerable Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen described the significance of this scene in Luke’s gospel:
“If He was to be the Man of Sorrows, she would be the Mother of Sorrows. An unsuffering Madonna to the suffering Christ would be a loveless Madonna. Since Christ loved mankind so much that He wanted to die to expiate its guilt, then He would also will that His mother should be wrapped in the swaddling bands of His own grief. From the moment she heard Simeon’s words, she would never again lift the Child’s hands without seeing a shadow of nails on them; every sunset would be a blood-red image of His Passion.”– Life of Christ, p. 35
A great Catholic passage.....lol

Why did a Holy Spirit filled Man not recognize Mary as Blessed Mary as you claim she has to be called. Why would a person Bless Mary if she was already BLESSED?
William

Ponchatoula, LA

#370 Jul 24, 2013
A devout Catholic girl that I used to date years ago told me that the reason Mary gained prominence was because of the perception that Paul hated women. Paul never mentions Mary, the mother of Jesus, in any of his epistles nor does he convey anything special about her (or Peter) to Timothy so that he could further convey it to faithful men.

The idolization of Mary by the Catholic church is nothing more than an emotional appeal to women by playing on their maternal instincts. And it works.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#371 Jul 24, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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A great Catholic passage.....lol
Why did a Holy Spirit filled Man not recognize Mary as Blessed Mary as you claim she has to be called. Why would a person Bless Mary if she was already BLESSED?
Lets see, The NT at this time was 32 + 350 = 382 years away.

The statement you made is illogical like normal

How would Simeon know what what Blessed Mary had said about being called Blessed.

That brings something else up. How did the Apostle's know anything about what happened before Jesus was born.

Could it be Mary told them and they reported it as fact. Mary contributed to the Bible?

Yet to you, she is just an incubator chosen from among hundreds of thousands.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#372 Jul 24, 2013
William wrote:
A devout Catholic girl that I used to date years ago told me that the reason Mary gained prominence was because of the perception that Paul hated women. Paul never mentions Mary, the mother of Jesus, in any of his epistles nor does he convey anything special about her (or Peter) to Timothy so that he could further convey it to faithful men.
The idolization of Mary by the Catholic church is nothing more than an emotional appeal to women by playing on their maternal instincts. And it works.
Because she was the Mother of God and all Christians.

Paul? What nonsense.

Jesus on the Cross to the Church represented by John: "Behold Your Mother"

Revelation: 17 Then the dragon was angry with the woman, and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and bear testimony to Jesus.

Even the original heretics revered Mary.

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#373 Jul 24, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Lets see, The NT at this time was 32 + 350 = 382 years away.
The statement you made is illogical like normal
How would Simeon know what what Blessed Mary had said about being called Blessed.
That brings something else up. How did the Apostle's know anything about what happened before Jesus was born.
Could it be Mary told them and they reported it as fact. Mary contributed to the Bible?
Yet to you, she is just an incubator chosen from among hundreds of thousands.
Now your reaching for straws as your arguments fail when compared with the word. Mary was not instructing the apostles, Jesus and then the Holy Spirit was instructing the apostles and unless the Holy Spirit messed up and didnt know Mary was to be called Blessed mary He forgot to tell the apostles so.

Christ said I will send my Spirit to give you everything I have taught you brought into your rememberance. Why not just let Blessed Mary tell them? Because that was not her Role.

It was also not the role of the church to do what you claim for that was not the instructions given as Christ left the earth.

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#374 Jul 24, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Lets see, The NT at this time was 32 + 350 = 382 years away.
The statement you made is illogical like normal
How would Simeon know what what Blessed Mary had said about being called Blessed.
That brings something else up. How did the Apostle's know anything about what happened before Jesus was born.
Could it be Mary told them and they reported it as fact. Mary contributed to the Bible?
Yet to you, she is just an incubator chosen from among hundreds of thousands.
Scripture fortold of Christ and his coming.
William

Ponchatoula, LA

#375 Jul 24, 2013
Yeah, the ministry of the apostle Paul is a very curious thing to the Catholic church (and churches in general).

It's almost like they wish he never even came along. Just don't really know what to do with him, so they mold his apostleship to fit that of the 12 and the so-called "great commission" of Matthew 28/Mark 16/Luke 24.

Weird.
killedjoe

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#376 Jul 24, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Lets see, The NT at this time was 32 + 350 = 382 years away.
The statement you made is illogical like normal
How would Simeon know what what Blessed Mary had said about being called Blessed.
That brings something else up. How did the Apostle's know anything about what happened before Jesus was born.
Could it be Mary told them and they reported it as fact. Mary contributed to the Bible?
Yet to you, she is just an incubator chosen from among hundreds of thousands.
The Mary your talking about is Mary M. In many of the books that were not allow to be canon, Mary M often spoke of the "mysteries" It is mention many times that Peter and Mary M fought. Even some of the Apostles told peter that if Jesus thought her worthy, then who are you to judge.

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#377 Jul 24, 2013
William wrote:
Yeah, the ministry of the apostle Paul is a very curious thing to the Catholic church (and churches in general).
It's almost like they wish he never even came along. Just don't really know what to do with him, so they mold his apostleship to fit that of the 12 and the so-called "great commission" of Matthew 28/Mark 16/Luke 24.
Weird.
Yes, curious all right. It is curious why the Roman Catholic Church built the glorious Basilica of St. Paul Outside the Walls, venerates his remains and why His Holiness Benedict XVI proclaimed a Jubilee Year dedicated to St. Paul and why the Letters of Paul are read virtually every Sunday in every Catholic Church in the world.

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#378 Jul 24, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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Yes, curious all right. It is curious why the Roman Catholic Church built the glorious Basilica of St. Paul Outside the Walls, venerates his remains and why His Holiness Benedict XVI proclaimed a Jubilee Year dedicated to St. Paul and why the Letters of Paul are read virtually every Sunday in every Catholic Church in the world.
Wonder if you read this one.

All teachers are to be tested by the Scriptures. 1 Cor. 4:6 says, "Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that in us you might learn not to exceed what is written, in order that no one of you might become arrogant in behalf of one against the other." Even when Paul emphasized that his writings were the laws of the Lord (1 Cor. 14:37), it was in opposition to what men might claim as laws. The Scriptures, therefore, are the only authority. Any practice not found in them is of human origin and is, therefore, false.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#379 Jul 24, 2013
William wrote:
Yeah, the ministry of the apostle Paul is a very curious thing to the Catholic church (and churches in general).
It's almost like they wish he never even came along. Just don't really know what to do with him, so they mold his apostleship to fit that of the 12 and the so-called "great commission" of Matthew 28/Mark 16/Luke 24.
Weird.
Isn't it weird that many low church Prots are Paulinists.
William

Pell City, AL

#380 Jul 24, 2013
Did the RCC ever find those missing chapters in Paul's epistles regarding Peter being in charge of the church that Jesus built? Those heathen gentiles missed out on some key intel. Same thing with Mary.

Not any direction to Timothy either. His son in the faith, who was to teach others "the things that thou hast heard of me, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also."

Probably just forgot to write this important stuff down.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#381 Jul 24, 2013
William wrote:
Did the RCC ever find those missing chapters in Paul's epistles regarding Peter being in charge of the church that Jesus built? Those heathen gentiles missed out on some key intel. Same thing with Mary.
Not any direction to Timothy either. His son in the faith, who was to teach others "the things that thou hast heard of me, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also."
Probably just forgot to write this important stuff down.
We don't need Paul teaching that Peter is in charge. Everybody already knew.

He knew Jesus already said this with his own mouth. Upon you Peter, I will build my Church.

That is why Paul spent went and spent 15 days alone with Peter after his 3 years away. received Peter's approval and instruction.
William

Pell City, AL

#382 Jul 24, 2013
You are very seriously deluded if you think that Paul met with Peter to receive instructions on what to preach, after being raised up as the apostle to the gentiles and given his marching orders and gospel directly from Christ.

Paul went to tell Peter of his gospel and ministry. Not the other way around. Peter didn't even know about it until Paul showed it to him, so he certainly didn't get it from Peter.

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#383 Jul 24, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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We don't need Paul teaching that Peter is in charge. Everybody already knew.
He knew Jesus already said this with his own mouth. Upon you Peter, I will build my Church.
That is why Paul spent went and spent 15 days alone with Peter after his 3 years away. received Peter's approval and instruction.
Peter never could and never did make anyone an apostle. Paul was an Apostle of Special birth as he said.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#384 Jul 24, 2013
William wrote:
You are very seriously deluded if you think that Paul met with Peter to receive instructions on what to preach, after being raised up as the apostle to the gentiles and given his marching orders and gospel directly from Christ.
Paul went to tell Peter of his gospel and ministry. Not the other way around. Peter didn't even know about it until Paul showed it to him, so he certainly didn't get it from Peter.
If you knew anything about Christian history, you would know that St. Ananias who the Lord send to Saul to baptize him and lay hands on him was one of the 72 disciples Jesus sent out to preach.

The original 12 knew St Aanias.

Do you not think Peter and the other 10 did not know of Paul before he showed up at Peter's house?

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