The Errors of Protesantism
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#222 Jul 6, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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If you don't believe in that 'stuff' you are completely wrong. History proves you wrong and the Bible proves you wrong.
Do you have any young grand kids. I can baptize them in an emergency if you want them to be a Christian.
Are they pagans or Christians. What does your Bible Church call them?
We call them saved in the hands of God but not because of water baptism or lack thereof. I know you try to hinge water baptism with OT circumcision. Have you considered how many old testament people who were never baptized or circumcised-none of the baby girls were or their mothers. You just cannot make water baptism or circumcision the savior-the evidence is just not there.

Abraham was declared Justified by faith long before circumcision was instituted. I guess you know that there was no circumcision, baptism or any other ritual performed on people from Adam to Abraham for their salvation. So I guess using your system Adam and Eve and the rest are in hell right now. Bud, you have a real messed up system.

Baptismal regeneration is a lie!
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#223 Jul 6, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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History proves you wrong and the Bible proves you wrong.
I quoted several scriptures that proved your position wrong. Simple question you should stop dodging, bait and switching on:

When do infants believe, repent?

History can be wrong, can be re-written by the "victors". The Bible contradicts and condemns catholic teachings. History shows the apostacy they have undergone.

I'll save you some time Mike. I am a RCC heretic and always will be. I ain't going to hell on the good ship RCC. Maybe you should go talk to some people who might drink the Kool-Aid. The more you guys reveal about the RCC and its doctrines the more I and most here reject it. Ashdod through and through.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#224 Jul 6, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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We call them saved in the hands of God but not because of water baptism or lack thereof. I know you try to hinge water baptism with OT circumcision. Have you considered how many old testament people who were never baptized or circumcised-none of the baby girls were or their mothers. You just cannot make water baptism or circumcision the savior-the evidence is just not there.
Abraham was declared Justified by faith long before circumcision was instituted. I guess you know that there was no circumcision, baptism or any other ritual performed on people from Adam to Abraham for their salvation. So I guess using your system Adam and Eve and the rest are in hell right now. Bud, you have a real messed up system.
Baptismal regeneration is a lie!
So you admit they are not Christians.

Where is all children before the age of accountability are in the hands of God at in the Bible?

Pal, that messed up system you are talking about was started by Jesus 2000 years ago.

Whatever one of the 30,000 systems you belong is make believe. Like playing games, making up your own rules as you go.

"Bible" Churches are make believe Churches.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#225 Jul 6, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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I quoted several scriptures that proved your position wrong. Simple question you should stop dodging, bait and switching on:
When do infants believe, repent?
History can be wrong, can be re-written by the "victors". The Bible contradicts and condemns catholic teachings. History shows the apostacy they have undergone.
I'll save you some time Mike. I am a RCC heretic and always will be. I ain't going to hell on the good ship RCC. Maybe you should go talk to some people who might drink the Kool-Aid. The more you guys reveal about the RCC and its doctrines the more I and most here reject it. Ashdod through and through.
I quoted several scriptues proving YOUR position wrong too. Lets take this disagreement to the Church.

Oops, your church has no Authority.

Jesus promised his Church would never fail. That means no Apostacy. Try as hard as you want, you can' rewrite history.

Protestantism = Heresy

Make believe Christianity. Millions of script writers. The Sunday " Plays " based on the Bible. Adaptation by each Protestant.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#226 Jul 6, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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So you admit they are not Christians.
Where is all children before the age of accountability are in the hands of God at in the Bible?
Pal, that messed up system you are talking about was started by Jesus 2000 years ago.
Whatever one of the 30,000 systems you belong is make believe. Like playing games, making up your own rules as you go.
"Bible" Churches are make believe Churches.
I will as soon as you tell me where all those jewish women are who were never circumcised.

Like I said i had a lot more respect for catholics before you came along.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#227 Jul 6, 2013
Paul notes that baptism has replaced circumcision (Col. 2:11–12). In that passage, he refers to baptism as "the circumcision of Christ" and "the circumcision made without hands." Of course, usually only infants were circumcised under the Old Law; circumcision of adults was rare, since there were few converts to Judaism. If Paul meant to exclude infants, he would not have chosen circumcision as a parallel for baptism.

#179

Mike, this is the only scripture you quoted in the whole infant baptism debate. You did say Jesus told the children to come to Me. You didn't refute anything; your stock answer is "pillar and ground, 2000 years old".

How many times did I ask you when do infants believe, repent?

You never refuted the idea of the Holy Spirit, not baptism, being the seal of the New Covenant. That's Ephesians 1 BTW.

Your only rebuttal to Bobby or my points are "guess they're all going to hell" even after we tell you that's not our belief.

And I have given 2 passages of scripture that support the idea of an "age of accountability":

Numbers 14:28-30 (Deuteronomy 1:39 as well); and Romans 7:9.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#228 Jul 6, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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I quoted several scriptues proving YOUR position wrong too. Lets take this disagreement to the Church.
Oops, your church has no Authority.
Jesus promised his Church would never fail. That means no Apostacy. Try as hard as you want, you can' rewrite history.
Protestantism = Heresy
Make believe Christianity. Millions of script writers. The Sunday " Plays " based on the Bible. Adaptation by each Protestant.
My Jesus has all the authority I need-don't need your pope. Since you and Mark came along, I have lost respect for your pope. Thanks, I see him differently now-do not need that kind of spiritual bondage!

The cross is the most important and most powerful event the world has ever known and you cannot understand it. You would rather have faith in catholic rituals/traditions.

[1 Cor 1:18] For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

[Eph 2:16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

[Col 1:20] And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

[Gal 2:20] I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Paul also said we are saved by grace through faith and not by works. Clearly found in the scripture but not according to your pope, he has all authority in heaven and earth-not Jesus.
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Manassas, VA

#229 Jul 6, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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I did. I left Protestantism and went home to Rome.
Jesus then said to those Jews who believed in him, "If you remain in my word, you will truly be my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."
It just depends on who your Savior is. The lost sheep go back to Jesus the Good Shepherd. We return home to Jesus for our salvation. Rome and the Pope judt don't cut it.
Prophet of Jesus Christ

San Antonio, TX

#230 Jul 7, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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I did. I left Protestantism and went home to Rome.
Jesus then said to those Jews who believed in him, "If you remain in my word, you will truly be my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."
Jesus said you are going to hell because you are not his disciple.

Jesus said you are not a Christian.

Luke, Chapter 14, 33: So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#231 Jul 7, 2013
Bobby wrote:
<quoted text>
My Jesus has all the authority I need-don't need your pope. Since you and Mark came along, I have lost respect for your pope. Thanks, I see him differently now-do not need that kind of spiritual bondage!
The cross is the most important and most powerful event the world has ever known and you cannot understand it. You would rather have faith in catholic rituals/traditions.
[1 Cor 1:18] For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
[Eph 2:16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
[Col 1:20] And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
[Gal 2:20] I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Paul also said we are saved by grace through faith and not by works. Clearly found in the scripture but not according to your pope, he has all authority in heaven and earth-not Jesus.
Your Jesus left us a Church which is the pillar and foundation of Truth, with complete Authority from him.

You can mock that Church Jesus started all you want just as the Jews mocked Jesus on the Cross.

I believe every verse you cherry picked and quoted. After all you quoted a Catholic book.

Millions of other Protesters disagree with your made up theology, even the few who post on this forum. How can you reconcile that in your mind.

Spiritual bondage to you means you cant believe anything you want. According to you the Apostles were held under spiritual bondage because the first Christians the same thing the CC teaches today on faith and morals.

Bud, quit trying to tell Jesus what is right. Come back home to the Church he started and learn what Jesus and the Apostles taught.

It will set you free. You will quit dividing up the Kingdom of God.

The scales in front of your eyes will fall away.

You will know that Jesus wanted all the children to come to him, not when Bobby decided they should go to him.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#232 Jul 7, 2013
Prophet of Jesus Christ wrote:
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Jesus said you are going to hell because you are not his disciple.
Jesus said you are not a Christian.
Luke, Chapter 14, 33: So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.
That verse was written to you.

Take off that tin foil hat with the clothes hanger antenna.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#233 Jul 7, 2013
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL wrote:
<quoted text>It just depends on who your Savior is. The lost sheep go back to Jesus the Good Shepherd. We return home to Jesus for our salvation. Rome and the Pope judt don't cut it.
There must be millions of Jesus' and Holy Spirits out there according to Protesters.

Which Jesus to you return home to for you salvation. The Methodist Jesus, the COC Jesus, the Bible Church Jesus, the Baptist Jesus or you personal Jesus?

Remember the answers you give come from a Catholic book
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#234 Jul 7, 2013
Dave P wrote:
Paul notes that baptism has replaced circumcision (Col. 2:11–12). In that passage, he refers to baptism as "the circumcision of Christ" and "the circumcision made without hands." Of course, usually only infants were circumcised under the Old Law; circumcision of adults was rare, since there were few converts to Judaism. If Paul meant to exclude infants, he would not have chosen circumcision as a parallel for baptism.
#179
Mike, this is the only scripture you quoted in the whole infant baptism debate. You did say Jesus told the children to come to Me. You didn't refute anything; your stock answer is "pillar and ground, 2000 years old".
How many times did I ask you when do infants believe, repent?
You never refuted the idea of the Holy Spirit, not baptism, being the seal of the New Covenant. That's Ephesians 1 BTW.
Your only rebuttal to Bobby or my points are "guess they're all going to hell" even after we tell you that's not our belief.
And I have given 2 passages of scripture that support the idea of an "age of accountability":
Numbers 14:28-30 (Deuteronomy 1:39 as well); and Romans 7:9.
This a great example of Protestantism. I can interpret more verses personally to fit what the HS told me is the Truth so I am right and you are wrong.

Why cant you see that SS makes everybody right.. Nobody is wrong in their interpretation of the Bible.

Everybody has the Authority.

In the first Century, Christians were baptizing infants. because they were taught to by the Apostles and they continue to this day.

1800 years after Jesus , all of sudden the truth changes, only for some of the protesters.

Low church prots are the only religion that hold their young is spiritual bondage.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#235 Jul 7, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
Your Jesus left us a Church which is the pillar and foundation of Truth, with complete Authority from him.
You can mock that Church Jesus started all you want just as the Jews mocked Jesus on the Cross.
I believe every verse you cherry picked and quoted. After all you quoted a Catholic book.
Millions of other Protesters disagree with your made up theology, even the few who post on this forum. How can you reconcile that in your mind.
Spiritual bondage to you means you cant believe anything you want. According to you the Apostles were held under spiritual bondage because the first Christians the same thing the CC teaches today on faith and morals.
Bud, quit trying to tell Jesus what is right. Come back home to the Church he started and learn what Jesus and the Apostles taught.
It will set you free. You will quit dividing up the Kingdom of God.
The scales in front of your eyes will fall away.
You will know that Jesus wanted all the children to come to him, not when Bobby decided they should go to him.
Wow, so much bad theology, I don't know where to start. Well, maybe i do, spiritual bondage is where men claim to own the church and uses people like pawns on a chess board- usurping the power of Christ.

You have helped me to see that the church of christ with all of it's weaknesses is not that bad when compared to Catholicism. At least to the view I see coming from you and mark. I am hoping that your view does not describe the average catholic.

I have read numerous statistics that say half of the catholic vote went for obama.
Prophet of Jesus Christ

San Antonio, TX

#236 Jul 7, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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Wow, so much bad theology, I don't know where to start. Well, maybe i do, spiritual bondage is where men claim to own the church and uses people like pawns on a chess board- usurping the power of Christ.
You have helped me to see that the church of christ with all of it's weaknesses is not that bad when compared to Catholicism. At least to the view I see coming from you and mark. I am hoping that your view does not describe the average catholic.
I have read numerous statistics that say half of the catholic vote went for obama.
Jesus said you are going to hell because you are not his disciple.

Jesus said you are not a Christian.

Luke, Chapter 14, 33: So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#237 Jul 7, 2013
Bobby wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow, so much bad theology, I don't know where to start. Well, maybe i do, spiritual bondage is where men claim to own the church and uses people like pawns on a chess board- usurping the power of Christ.
You have helped me to see that the church of christ with all of it's weaknesses is not that bad when compared to Catholicism. At least to the view I see coming from you and mark. I am hoping that your view does not describe the average catholic.
I have read numerous statistics that say half of the catholic vote went for obama.
Exactly. You own your Bible Church. A man started it. Your Bible Church is doing the same thing you claim the CC does.

The average Catholic does not care whether a protestant knows the truth or not, especially in the low church areas of the country where they are out numbered.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#238 Jul 7, 2013
The Church existed before the Bible was completed.

The canon of the Bible was not determined until the 4th century.

Ancient literacy rates were low so sola scriptura would be absurd.

Bibles were not widespread until the 15th/16th centuries.(printing press).

Protestants can't be sure they have the true Bible since they reject the Catholic Church's authority.

Protestants can't be sure they have the correct interpretation of Scripture (due to private interpretation).

The Bible says "the church is the pillar and ground of the truth", not the Bible.

Protestantism has no historical basis.

Protestant religions were founded by men, not God
The Catholic Church is not anti-Bible.

The saints of the Catholic Church have worked miracles all throughout history proving Her Divine nature.

The Bible proves the teachings of the Catholic Church.

Protestants misunderstand Scripture.

Protestants use mistranlated Bibles to prove their doctrines.

There is no legitimate reason to believe that all of Christ's teachings are contained in the Bible.

Protestantism violates the principle of non-contradiction.

There is only one correct version of the Gospel.

Christ wants His followers to be united, not divided into different denominations.

Protestants imply that God changes.

Protestantism has evil origins, sufficent in themselves to disprove it.
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

New York, NY

#239 Jul 7, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Remember the answers you give come from a Catholic book
Very Catholic to try and grab all the credit. At that time the catholic had not yet completely gotten power and claimed superiority. The input from the Orthodox bishops were a part of the decision. That is why they have their own canon today, slightly different than the Catholic. But if you say it enough people will believe it right? It has worked with you.
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

New York, NY

#240 Jul 7, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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I have read numerous statistics that say half of the catholic vote went for obama.
Yes and it is because they know they are living a lie. A Catholic judge(Kennedy)approved gay marriage. Catholic legislators passed abortion. They are living a lie. To not excommunicate would seem to be a lack of faith on the part of the Catholic leadership and the Catholic politicians. But then again you have the scandal covered up which shows an internal lack of faith.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#241 Jul 7, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Exactly. You own your Bible Church. A man started it. Your Bible Church is doing the same thing you claim the CC does.
The average Catholic does not care whether a protestant knows the truth or not, especially in the low church areas of the country where they are out numbered.
We claim that Jesus started the church, I think you claim that A "man"-Peter started the church. If Peter were here, I am sure he would give the credit to Jesus. Catholics are full of themselves...

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