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Martinsville, VA

#1 Apr 8, 2012
What happened to all the discussion on here about the Bible? You guys are completely boring. Everybody glad-handing each other and patting each other on the back. No discussion at all.

Luke 6:26

Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
Garganzola

London, UK

#2 Apr 8, 2012
Yeah, it'd be a real shame if people professing to be Christians were all boring and respectful and... shudder... Christlike in the way they dealt with each other.

"Brothers and sisters, I urge you to watch out for those people who create divisions..." Romans 16:17

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#3 Apr 8, 2012
Garganzola wrote:
Yeah, it'd be a real shame if people professing to be Christians were all boring and respectful and... shudder... Christlike in the way they dealt with each other.
"Brothers and sisters, I urge you to watch out for those people who create divisions..." Romans 16:17
That's funny considering denominations are the epitome of divisions. Very good verse, but doesn't help your case about boring = "respectful and Christlike".

It's entirely possible to have discussions, even passionate discussions, and be respectful at the same time. If you don't have passion about your religion, much like Paul (who wrote the verse you quoted, by the way), then what's the point?

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#4 Apr 11, 2012
What Happened wrote:
What happened to all the discussion on here about the Bible? You guys are completely boring. Everybody glad-handing each other and patting each other on the back. No discussion at all.
Luke 6:26
Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
This site reveals much about the so-called Church today. Best I can tell, everyone on here belongs to a different “Church” with its own view of Scripture yet each one smiles on the other as if they “accept” them as teaching the truth. This is one of the biggest turn-offs for me when I look at the professing Church. If doctrine doesn’t matter as most on here seem to suggest, why then does each have their own Church? Clearly doctrine matters or else there wouldn’t be a need to call oneself Baptist or Pentecostal. The very name of each Church reveals a particular doctrine. If one Church is teaching what they believe to be TRUTH, then it means that others are NOT teaching the truth. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Either YOUR CHURCH is the right Church or its not! If you believe you have the truth in YOUR CHURCH, you should be telling others where they are wrong. Wouldn’t love demand you tell someone the TRUTH. But, you don’t see this on here. All you see is several denominations pretending all is okay with one another. This is hypocrites at its best. Either you are teaching the TRUTH or you are NOT. If you are, then be man enough to tell others here that THEIR CHURCH is in error and teaching false doctrine.
Whitman

United States

#5 Apr 11, 2012
testing the spirits wrote:
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This site reveals much about the so-called Church today. Best I can tell, everyone on here belongs to a different “Church” with its own view of Scripture yet each one smiles on the other as if they “accept” them as teaching the truth. This is one of the biggest turn-offs for me when I look at the professing Church. If doctrine doesn’t matter as most on here seem to suggest, why then does each have their own Church? Clearly doctrine matters or else there wouldn’t be a need to call oneself Baptist or Pentecostal. The very name of each Church reveals a particular doctrine. If one Church is teaching what they believe to be TRUTH, then it means that others are NOT teaching the truth. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Either YOUR CHURCH is the right Church or its not! If you believe you have the truth in YOUR CHURCH, you should be telling others where they are wrong. Wouldn’t love demand you tell someone the TRUTH. But, you don’t see this on here. All you see is several denominations pretending all is okay with one another. This is hypocrites at its best. Either you are teaching the TRUTH or you are NOT. If you are, then be man enough to tell others here that THEIR CHURCH is in error and teaching false doctrine.
Why should anyone believe YOU are teaching the truth? Why should anyone believe YOU are in the right church?

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#6 Apr 11, 2012
Whitman wrote:
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Why should anyone believe YOU are teaching the truth? Why should anyone believe YOU are in the right church?
Do you believe TRUTH to be in Scripture? In other words, can you and I look at Scripture and draw the same conclusions? If NOT, then what purpose does the Word of God even serve.

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#7 Apr 11, 2012
testing the spirits wrote:
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This site reveals much about the so-called Church today. Best I can tell, everyone on here belongs to a different “Church” with its own view of Scripture yet each one smiles on the other as if they “accept” them as teaching the truth. This is one of the biggest turn-offs for me when I look at the professing Church. If doctrine doesn’t matter as most on here seem to suggest, why then does each have their own Church? Clearly doctrine matters or else there wouldn’t be a need to call oneself Baptist or Pentecostal. The very name of each Church reveals a particular doctrine. If one Church is teaching what they believe to be TRUTH, then it means that others are NOT teaching the truth. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Either YOUR CHURCH is the right Church or its not! If you believe you have the truth in YOUR CHURCH, you should be telling others where they are wrong. Wouldn’t love demand you tell someone the TRUTH. But, you don’t see this on here. All you see is several denominations pretending all is okay with one another. This is hypocrites at its best. Either you are teaching the TRUTH or you are NOT. If you are, then be man enough to tell others here that THEIR CHURCH is in error and teaching false doctrine.
Exactly. People on here aren't bold enough to come right out and condemn other denominations, but they do that every Sunday (or Saturday) by passing by God-only-knows-how-many other denominations and churches on their way to their "own church". Actions speak louder than words, and anybody who can't see it is one of two things, dumb or blind. I know people on here are not dumb, or blind. They are dishonest. Dishonest in the fact that they are putting on a front about agreeing with each other on certain topics, but we know that they wouldn't even slow down when going by another's church, much less stop.

Quit pretending people. Quit pretending like "your church" isn't better than "that other church", because we know you think it is, or else you wouldn't go there. If you approve of your church and its doctrine by being a member there, then you are in essence condemning others that don't meet your seal of approval. Be man, or woman, enough to say the truth. They did in the Bible. Why shouldn't you?
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#8 Apr 11, 2012
testing the spirits and seeking wanderer are probably the same guy, they do have unity with each other and no one else. Seems fitting that neither goes to church and Randy claims he is not even a christian. Yet, they seem to espouse all knowledge about the true church! There is something very fake going on here.

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#9 Apr 11, 2012
Bobby wrote:
testing the spirits and seeking wanderer are probably the same guy, they do have unity with each other and no one else. Seems fitting that neither goes to church and Randy claims he is not even a christian. Yet, they seem to espouse all knowledge about the true church! There is something very fake going on here.
Nope. Not the same person. I think SW stated who he was already. You must have missed that. Your attacks on me will not run me away this time. I'm here to stay ;)
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#10 Apr 11, 2012
testing the spirits wrote:
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Nope. Not the same person. I think SW stated who he was already. You must have missed that. Your attacks on me will not run me away this time. I'm here to stay ;)
I did not have any intention of running you away. I am glad you are back, I need you.

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#11 Apr 11, 2012
Bobby wrote:
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I am glad you are back, I need you.
LOL. OK
Bfrank

Martinsville, VA

#12 Apr 11, 2012
SeekingWanderer wrote:
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That's funny considering denominations are the epitome of divisions. Very good verse, but doesn't help your case about boring = "respectful and Christlike".
It's entirely possible to have discussions, even passionate discussions, and be respectful at the same time. If you don't have passion about your religion, much like Paul (who wrote the verse you quoted, by the way), then what's the point?
Really? So are you ready to say that the Church of Christ all speak the same things?
?Didn't Johnny Robertson say that "JustChristian is not one of us"-that's a >division of brothers<
?Don't Johnny Robertson & Wayne Jackson differ on the indwelling of the Holy Spirit >division on doctrine<
?When Johnny Robertson thinks his God given purpose on earth is to defeat destroy denominations- yet the less militant Churches of Christ in the area are happy just to worship God without all the drama, >we have a division of purpose<
?Plus we have the CofC splitting with the Disciples of Christ in 1906
?Plus we have the progressive CofC
?Plus music in worship CofC
?Plus the "one loafers, one cuppers, no sunday schoolers"...no elders, one preacher running three family run churches.
?Is there not sects & divisions in the Church of Christ as well?

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#13 Apr 11, 2012
Bfrank wrote:
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Really? So are you ready to say that the Church of Christ all speak the same things?
?Didn't Johnny Robertson say that "JustChristian is not one of us"-that's a >division of brothers<
?Don't Johnny Robertson & Wayne Jackson differ on the indwelling of the Holy Spirit >division on doctrine<
?When Johnny Robertson thinks his God given purpose on earth is to defeat destroy denominations- yet the less militant Churches of Christ in the area are happy just to worship God without all the drama, >we have a division of purpose<
?Plus we have the CofC splitting with the Disciples of Christ in 1906
?Plus we have the progressive CofC
?Plus music in worship CofC
?Plus the "one loafers, one cuppers, no sunday schoolers"...no elders, one preacher running three family run churches.
?Is there not sects & divisions in the Church of Christ as well?
BF, are you REALLY that idiotic, or are you just pretending to be a doorframe? I've already told you that I don't go to the COC, and I don't espouse wholly all their beliefs. You keep trying to tie me to them, and setting up a straw man to defeat. Well, buddy, swing away at that straw man, because that's not me.

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#14 Apr 11, 2012
Bobby wrote:
testing the spirits and seeking wanderer are probably the same guy, they do have unity with each other and no one else. Seems fitting that neither goes to church and Randy claims he is not even a christian. Yet, they seem to espouse all knowledge about the true church! There is something very fake going on here.
I did go to a denomination on Easter Sunday, because I was asked to, and guess what? Same old nonsense. I mentioned it in the "Crosspoint" thread. I think it's hilarious that their T-shirts read "The Church Has Left The Building", when all they did was split (denominate) from another denomination, and start attending another building.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#15 Apr 11, 2012
SeekingWanderer wrote:
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I did go to a denomination on Easter Sunday, because I was asked to, and guess what? Same old nonsense. I mentioned it in the "Crosspoint" thread. I think it's hilarious that their T-shirts read "The Church Has Left The Building", when all they did was split (denominate) from another denomination, and start attending another building.
Crosspoint sounds like a good church to me. I don't know exactly what crosspoint is doing but I have a very good idea. The baptist church (southern baptist) is undergoing a dramatic change. The idea is that many people are looking for a church but do not like the average denominational churches. To compensate for this they are often starting new churches with various names and try to distance themselves from the traditional baptist persona. They take on a different character reaching out to all the unchurched. As a result you will see people raising their hands in worship, new song services, etc. Most of these churches have a wide range of worshipers from many different denominations. Most likely Crosspoint did not denominate or split.

However the basic doctrine has not changed. I am very familiar with this movement and have a son who is a member in one of them.

Is this the church you visited?

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#16 Apr 11, 2012
Bobby wrote:
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Crosspoint sounds like a good church to me. I don't know exactly what crosspoint is doing but I have a very good idea. The baptist church (southern baptist) is undergoing a dramatic change. The idea is that many people are looking for a church but do not like the average denominational churches. To compensate for this they are often starting new churches with various names and try to distance themselves from the traditional baptist persona. They take on a different character reaching out to all the unchurched. As a result you will see people raising their hands in worship, new song services, etc. Most of these churches have a wide range of worshipers from many different denominations. Most likely Crosspoint did not denominate or split.
However the basic doctrine has not changed. I am very familiar with this movement and have a son who is a member in one of them.
Is this the church you visited?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =JGcGUZMGVtgXX
Yeah, I'm positive that CrossPoint is a split. It split from another church called Freedom Baptist Church, where the current pastor of CrossPoint was an associate pastor as Freedom.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#17 Apr 11, 2012
SeekingWanderer wrote:
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Yeah, I'm positive that CrossPoint is a split. It split from another church called Freedom Baptist Church, where the current pastor of CrossPoint was an associate pastor as Freedom.
So the associate pastor of Freedom baptist church is now pastor of of Crosspoint. That does not sound like a split to me. In the way that these new baptist churches work, they have a plan and they work the plan. Usually there is a lead pastor who never takes the reigns of the new church he acts only as founder with his team and they move on the next one. This is called church planting.

I admit that their pattern is to start brand new in a new location. They use commercial buildings and anything they can find. They usually do not look like a traditional church but they are still baptist in their basic doctrine. They also tend not to answer questions about their background.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#18 Apr 11, 2012
Here is an article that might help you...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/st...

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#19 Apr 11, 2012
Bobby wrote:
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So the associate pastor of Freedom baptist church is now pastor of of Crosspoint. That does not sound like a split to me. In the way that these new baptist churches work, they have a plan and they work the plan. Usually there is a lead pastor who never takes the reigns of the new church he acts only as founder with his team and they move on the next one. This is called church planting.
I admit that their pattern is to start brand new in a new location. They use commercial buildings and anything they can find. They usually do not look like a traditional church but they are still baptist in their basic doctrine. They also tend not to answer questions about their background.
Yeah, it was definitely a split. The former pastor had some "women" problems, left, and the associate pastor took over for awhile, and applied for the lead pastor position, for which he was rejected. He then left to start his own church, CrossPoint.

Just a classic case of a denominational split. Guy wants to lead, because as you know, if you don't lead, the view never changes, just like with sled dogs. LOL! Guy gets rejected, and leaves, starts his own church, which I guess you could call "his church", since he founded it.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#20 Apr 12, 2012
SeekingWanderer wrote:
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Yeah, it was definitely a split. The former pastor had some "women" problems, left, and the associate pastor took over for awhile, and applied for the lead pastor position, for which he was rejected. He then left to start his own church, CrossPoint.
Just a classic case of a denominational split. Guy wants to lead, because as you know, if you don't lead, the view never changes, just like with sled dogs. LOL! Guy gets rejected, and leaves, starts his own church, which I guess you could call "his church", since he founded it.
Is the old pastor still preaching? Sounds like you have some former ties to this church. In small towns everyone seems to know what is going on. However, they must be doing something right to have a 1000 people in attendance. The church I go to has had times of pastor changes dating back 25 or30 years, but I would not call it a split but attendance did drop. In fact I have seen the same issues in the coc where a new preacher comes in and half the people move to the coc across town following the old preacher. Christians are people and people can be finicky.

I remember a coc I was in where the preacher had an affair and was never able to preach again and I thought he was a pretty good preacher, the church struggled with attendance for years after that. Today it is a thriving church with 1500 or more members.

It is amazing how many people in the coc do church hopping-seems they are never really satisfied:) In fact every church experiences the ebb and flow of change.

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