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Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#1 Apr 8, 2012
Matthew 28:1-10
After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb. There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow. The guards were so afraid of him that they shook and became like dead men.

The angel said to the women, "Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, who was crucified. He is not here; he has risen, just as he said. Come and see the place where he lay. Then go quickly and tell his disciples:'He has risen from the dead and is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him.' Now I have told you."

So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell his disciples. Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him. Then Jesus said to them, "Do not be afraid. Go and tell my brothers to go to Galilee; there they will see me."
walkinginlove

Danville, VA

#2 Apr 8, 2012
He is risen indeed! Happy Passover Bobby!
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#3 Apr 9, 2012
I have noticed that on the Easter threads I posted, there was very little response, but absolutely nothing negative. That tells me that when we stay focused on the central part of our faith we have common ground...
lee

Boerne, TX

#4 Apr 9, 2012
1Co 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
lee

Since: Jan 10

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#5 Apr 10, 2012
All the illegalist who celebrated the Catholic holiday of Easter are going to celebrate the other Catholic holidays? If not why not?

Here's some more coming up.

May

The Ascension of the Lord Thursday, May 17
Pentecost Sunday Sunday, May 27
The Visitation of the Blessed Virgin Mary Thursday, May 31

hhhhmmmmmm

www.roysecitycoc.org
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#6 Apr 10, 2012
HEATH - 72 wrote:
All the illegalist who celebrated the Catholic holiday of Easter are going to celebrate the other Catholic holidays? If not why not?
Here's some more coming up.
May
The Ascension of the Lord Thursday, May 17
Pentecost Sunday Sunday, May 27
The Visitation of the Blessed Virgin Mary Thursday, May 31
hhhhmmmmmm
www.roysecitycoc.org
Jesus death burial and resurrection is for all who will believe-even Heath!

Since: Jan 10

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#7 Apr 10, 2012
From James Oldfield-

"Billy and Geraline Alverson obeyed the Gospel today. They have watched our programs for 7 years. He is 83 and she is 73. Been married for 53 years.
She kept asking Baptist preachers about her salvation because she was not sure. I showed her from the Bible and told her she could have "confidence." Heb 11:1 faith is the "substance" (same word as "confidence" in Heb 3:14). She said, "I know I am lost"

Now they both KNOW they are NOT. They went on their way rejoicing!(Ac 8:39)"
walkinginlove

Danville, VA

#8 Apr 11, 2012
HEATH - 72 wrote:
From James Oldfield-
"Billy and Geraline Alverson obeyed the Gospel today. They have watched our programs for 7 years. He is 83 and she is 73. Been married for 53 years.
She kept asking Baptist preachers about her salvation because she was not sure. I showed her from the Bible and told her she could have "confidence." Heb 11:1 faith is the "substance" (same word as "confidence" in Heb 3:14). She said, "I know I am lost"
Now they both KNOW they are NOT. They went on their way rejoicing!(Ac 8:39)"
Had Billy and Geraline ever been baptized in water under the authority of Jesus name, this includes the term Father Son and Holy Spirit since you follow that practice yourselves?
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#9 Apr 11, 2012
walkinginlove wrote:
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Had Billy and Geraline ever been baptized in water under the authority of Jesus name, this includes the term Father Son and Holy Spirit since you follow that practice yourselves?
This passage seems to fit the situation.

Matt 23:15"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.

Whether it fits or not, I am convinced God is not pleased with the way they operate!

Since: May 10

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#10 Apr 11, 2012
walkinginlove wrote:
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Had Billy and Geraline ever been baptized in water under the authority of Jesus name, this includes the term Father Son and Holy Spirit since you follow that practice yourselves?
IF they were of the Baptist faith their baptism was to be placed or join the Baptist faith. If old time Baptist they would receive a Letter stating so. As time goes by some Baptist come to the idea that their baptism was for the remission of sins as stated in the bible. They usually have to ask their Pastor which their Baptism was for. When they find out what their Baptism was for, to join the Baptist group instead of remission of Sins many ask to be rebaptised Into Christ. That my experiences one with my wife and one with a friend. Both insisted in re-baptism.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#11 Apr 11, 2012
JustChristian wrote:
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IF they were of the Baptist faith their baptism was to be placed or join the Baptist faith. If old time Baptist they would receive a Letter stating so. As time goes by some Baptist come to the idea that their baptism was for the remission of sins as stated in the bible. They usually have to ask their Pastor which their Baptism was for. When they find out what their Baptism was for, to join the Baptist group instead of remission of Sins many ask to be rebaptised Into Christ. That my experiences one with my wife and one with a friend. Both insisted in re-baptism.
The coc are baptized to join the coc faith! And we both know it!

The problem is you actually know very little of what other denominations believe and teach, you only know what others and google tells you. When is the last time you were actually in a baptist church for worship or bible study???

Were you baptized by Jesus into the Holy Spirit? I guess we had better not talk about that, since it is never spoken of in the coc. Most baptist believe that concept.

Since: Jan 12

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#12 Apr 11, 2012
JustChristian wrote:
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IF they were of the Baptist faith their baptism was to be placed or join the Baptist faith. If old time Baptist they would receive a Letter stating so. As time goes by some Baptist come to the idea that their baptism was for the remission of sins as stated in the bible. They usually have to ask their Pastor which their Baptism was for. When they find out what their Baptism was for, to join the Baptist group instead of remission of Sins many ask to be rebaptised Into Christ. That my experiences one with my wife and one with a friend. Both insisted in re-baptism.
You make a good point. Some people do connect Baptism and remission and have no idea that THEIR CHURCH teaches otherwise. I know of one lady who was dying… my Dad ask her was she saved. Her reply was,“don’t you remember when I was Baptized.” I personally know another individual who believed their Baptism was for remission of sins too. This person attended the Baptist Church before joining the Pentecostal Church. I wonder if these people were saved since they OBEYED THE GOSPEL yet never attended a Church of Christ. I ask James Oldfield a similar question years ago and he replied,“you can’t be baptized right IN the wrong Church.” I also ask him another time if one must be baptized by a Church of Christ preacher before its valid and he replied,“it doesn’t matter who does the baptizing.” Perhaps he meant as long as one belongs to the church of Christ, it doesn’t matter. I’m not sure.

Since: Jan 12

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#13 Apr 11, 2012
Bobby wrote:
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The coc are baptized to join the coc faith! And we both know it!
The problem is you actually know very little of what other denominations believe and teach, you only know what others and google tells you. When is the last time you were actually in a baptist church for worship or bible study???
Were you baptized by Jesus into the Holy Spirit? I guess we had better not talk about that, since it is never spoken of in the coc. Most baptist believe that concept.
I wouldn’t say that JC doesn’t know firsthand about other denominations. I have friends in the Baptist, Presbyterian, Church of God, Apostolic, Jehovah Witness, Jesus Only, and the Methodist Church. I’m pretty familiar with each of these. Not just this, but maybe he has studied their teachings as have I.
xxx

Knoxville, TN

#14 Apr 11, 2012
testing the spirits wrote:
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I wonder if these people were saved since they OBEYED THE GOSPEL yet never attended a Church of Christ. I ask James Oldfield a similar question years ago and he replied,“you can’t be baptized right IN the wrong Church.” I also ask him another time if one must be baptized by a Church of Christ preacher before its valid and he replied,“it doesn’t matter who does the baptizing.” Perhaps he meant as long as one belongs to the church of Christ, it doesn’t matter. I’m not sure.
“you can’t be baptized right IN the wrong Church” and “it doesn’t matter who does the baptizing” are contradictory statements.

If it doesn’t matter who baptizes you, then you can most certainly be baptized into Christ by a Baptist preacher in a Baptist church. And if that’s the case, then my first baptism placed me into Christ because at the time I thought I was “fulfilling all righteousness” by being baptized.

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#15 Apr 11, 2012
xxx wrote:
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“you can’t be baptized right IN the wrong Church” and “it doesn’t matter who does the baptizing” are contradictory statements.
That was my point. I got two diff answers from James. Perhaps he can explain what he meant. I am guess he meant anyone from the Church of Christ can do the baptizing. However, I do know of others who have said anyone as in any person around can do the baptizing. In other words, it doesnt have to be from one in the church of Christ. If this is what James meant, then yes, they are contradictory statements.

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#16 Apr 11, 2012
xxx wrote:
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“you can’t be baptized right IN the wrong Church” and “it doesn’t matter who does the baptizing” are contradictory statements.
If it doesn’t matter who baptizes you, then you can most certainly be baptized into Christ by a Baptist preacher in a Baptist church. And if that’s the case, then my first baptism placed me into Christ because at the time I thought I was “fulfilling all righteousness” by being baptized.
Is being baptized for remission of sins included in the fulfilling all righteousness? Did you KNOW that repentance was in order to abtain remission through Jesus' Blood? Did you KNOW that baptism was in order to abtain remission through Jesus' Blood? If these were lacking, how can one claim to be fullfilling all righteousness? It seems, when I read about baptism, that it had a purpose. In other words, those being baptized knew what it was for.
xxx

Knoxville, TN

#17 Apr 11, 2012
testing the spirits wrote:
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Is being baptized for remission of sins included in the fulfilling all righteousness? Did you KNOW that repentance was in order to abtain remission through Jesus' Blood? Did you KNOW that baptism was in order to abtain remission through Jesus' Blood? If these were lacking, how can one claim to be fullfilling all righteousness? It seems, when I read about baptism, that it had a purpose. In other words, those being baptized knew what it was for.
It’s difficult for me to answer this because I was only 10 at the time and it’s hard for me to remember back that far (I’m 32) as to what was in my head. I can say that I did not know the intricacies of what constituted “repentance” and what constituted “remission through Jesus’ blood” anymore than I knew the definition of “grace” or any other number of topics. All I knew is that I was lost and needed to be saved. But if asked later, I would have said something like this:“I went up to the altar in faith expecting to begin the process of being saved and I viewed my baptism as the finishing touch of my salvation.” But no, I could not have told you the difference in repentance and looking to God in faith as I would have viewed them as the same thing.

Here is an interesting discussion on a non-militant Church of Christ website regarding how much knowledge we have to have for our baptism to be valid: http://oneinjesus.info/2008/03/amazing-grace-...

Since: May 10

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#18 Apr 11, 2012
Bobby wrote:
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The coc are baptized to join the coc faith! And we both know it!
The problem is you actually know very little of what other denominations believe and teach, you only know what others and google tells you. When is the last time you were actually in a baptist church for worship or bible study???
Were you baptized by Jesus into the Holy Spirit? I guess we had better not talk about that, since it is never spoken of in the coc. Most baptist believe that concept.
We Both??? there you go telling me what I do and dont know. I actually told you of my wife who was in a the baptist faith and yes I addressed that group and am right about it. Other groups I did not address and have attended very few. A pentecostal group, a catholic service and yes several baptist services.

But I only addressed the baptist faith.:)
The coc I attend teaches one is ADDED to Christ body when baptized as the bible says.

Since: May 10

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#19 Apr 11, 2012
testing the spirits wrote:
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You make a good point. Some people do connect Baptism and remission and have no idea that THEIR CHURCH teaches otherwise. I know of one lady who was dying… my Dad ask her was she saved. Her reply was,“don’t you remember when I was Baptized.” I personally know another individual who believed their Baptism was for remission of sins too. This person attended the Baptist Church before joining the Pentecostal Church. I wonder if these people were saved since they OBEYED THE GOSPEL yet never attended a Church of Christ. I ask James Oldfield a similar question years ago and he replied,“you can’t be baptized right IN the wrong Church.” I also ask him another time if one must be baptized by a Church of Christ preacher before its valid and he replied,“it doesn’t matter who does the baptizing.” Perhaps he meant as long as one belongs to the church of Christ, it doesn’t matter. I’m not sure.
Like I said I have only had an experience with two Baptist (LISTEN Bobby so you dont get confused) Both told me of the letter that came with their Baptism. One knew what the letter meant. Baptism into the baptist church. The other insisted that her Baptism was for the remission of sins although in a baptist church. She even said you can call the church and ask them!! I did that and they sent me a letter stating their reasons for baptism, NOT the remission of sins as she thought. I showed it to her and she said I quess I was wrongly baptized please re-baptize me which I did that night.

Since: Jan 12

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#20 Apr 11, 2012
xxx wrote:
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It’s difficult for me to answer this because I was only 10 at the time and it’s hard for me to remember back that far (I’m 32) as to what was in my head. I can say that I did not know the intricacies of what constituted “repentance” and what constituted “remission through Jesus’ blood” anymore than I knew the definition of “grace” or any other number of topics. All I knew is that I was lost and needed to be saved. But if asked later, I would have said something like this:“I went up to the altar in faith expecting to begin the process of being saved and I viewed my baptism as the finishing touch of my salvation.” But no, I could not have told you the difference in repentance and looking to God in faith as I would have viewed them as the same thing.
Here is an interesting discussion on a non-militant Church of Christ website regarding how much knowledge we have to have for our baptism to be valid: http://oneinjesus.info/2008/03/amazing-grace-...
Im very up on Jays Blog and writtings. I have read this link before. He raises some interesting points, I agree. But, when confronted with Sauls conversion, he never gave an answer on this on one thread he has. There was clearly pupose in Saul being baptized. Hard to get around that.

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