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#1 Nov 13, 2012
According to posters like JustChristian, the Bible calls for someone to be baptized “again” is when the first baptism is considered invalid, i.e., not a baptism at all. Maybe this is when someone is baptized with saaaay, dirt or something, or with no water. I never seen such but it’s the analogy of the poster, JustChristian. In such case, one would need to be baptized if he were baptized in dirt. This was total misdirection from JustChristian. Nobody baptizes in dirt. Let me try this yet again.

The question at hand: does a believer in the risen Christ need to be baptized AGAIN if he attends another Church other than the COC?

The COC teaches that salvation is based upon an intellectual assent to the dogma of “for the forgiveness of your sins.” This means, salvation hinges upon one’s belief in Jesus as the Messiah and belief in baptism “for the forgiveness of your sins.” Belief in the Gospel is not sufficient for salvation without a belief in “for the forgiveness of your sins”, as many COC advocate.

As a result of this teaching, the COC have concluded that those who practice immersion, but not precisely “for the forgiveness of your sins” have not been added to the Church. If one is baptized to obey God, this motive of obedience alone, according to the COC, is not sufficient to validate baptism if one does not know the precise moment God remits sins. If one is only baptized “in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” per (Matthew 28:19), then, according to many Christians, this immersion into the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is not sufficient thus not a valid baptism.

According to the COC, if one does not understand at the time of his/her baptism that it is “for the forgiveness of your sins,” then one’s baptism is no good, worth nothing, void, invalid.

Those at Ephesus.(Acts 19:1-7). They had not learned that John’s baptism had been superseded by baptism “into the name of the Lord Jesus,” as prescribed in the commission. When they heard these things,“they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus.” No emphasis was laid on “for remission” in this cases.

Cornelius was “baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.” He was baptized in the name of Christ, to obey God.

The Ethiopian eunuch was baptized in response to hearing about Jesus.

The case of the Samaritans.“When they believed Philip preaching good things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.”

If today’s COC had of been there, Cornelius, the Ethiopian eunuch, and the Samaritans, would had to been rebaptized because they weren’t baptized with the WORDS “for remission of sins.”

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#2 Nov 13, 2012
For those wanting to see exactly what I said you can go to the thread Johnny Robertson false teaching on rebaptism post 45-52.
Notice I never got an answer to my question ask of SS.
I love it when someone has to re state what someone else said when they could just refer you there. HMMMMM

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#3 Nov 13, 2012
One other question so we know. Is this your only name on this topix or have you used another in the past. Mine has stayed the same.

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#4 Nov 13, 2012
JustChristian wrote:
One other question so we know. Is this your only name on this topix or have you used another in the past. Mine has stayed the same.
Yes, we both using fake names. Big deal if you used one name; still not your name. Now address the thread, please.

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#5 Nov 13, 2012
JustChristian wrote:
For those wanting to see exactly what I said you can go to the thread Johnny Robertson false teaching on rebaptism post 45-52.
Notice I never got an answer to my question ask of SS.
I love it when someone has to re state what someone else said when they could just refer you there. HMMMMM
I was just pointing out that you and him do not agree on things. You missed my point. I could care less what Mr. Robertson has to say about you.

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#6 Nov 13, 2012
SinfulSaint wrote:
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Yes, we both using fake names. Big deal if you used one name; still not your name. Now address the thread, please.
So what was your fake name before so I can tell if I want to continue talking to you.

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#7 Nov 13, 2012
SinfulSaint wrote:
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I was just pointing out that you and him do not agree on things. You missed my point. I could care less what Mr. Robertson has to say about you.
No one agrees totally on anything duh. Great point.

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#8 Nov 13, 2012
SinfulSaint wrote:
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I was just pointing out that you and him do not agree on things. You missed my point. I could care less what Mr. Robertson has to say about you.
Think I remember a person on here starting alot of thread before everytime they didnt want to answer a question. And then they started a blog somewhere else that no one went to. Is that you?
sinfulsaint

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#9 Nov 13, 2012
JustChristian wrote:
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Think I remember a person on here starting alot of thread before everytime they didnt want to answer a question. And then they started a blog somewhere else that no one went to. Is that you?
Boy are you way off. I have 6 blogs/sites. Also, I have over 20,000 comments on this site and own over 90 percent of the threads here. But, who cares lol
sinfulsaint

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#10 Nov 13, 2012
JustChristian wrote:
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Think I remember a person on here starting alot of thread before everytime they didnt want to answer a question. And then they started a blog somewhere else that no one went to. Is that you?
Btw, you commented on a site of mine before under the name Johnny Miller. I'm guessing you will not remember ;-)
sinfulsaint

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#11 Nov 13, 2012
JustChristian wrote:
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Think I remember a person on here starting alot of thread before everytime they didnt want to answer a question. And then they started a blog somewhere else that no one went to. Is that you?
One site I blog has over 250,000 hits. Not tooting my horn but that aint too bad. The sites I have listed here were decoy sites. Try finding the real ones...lol. That's right, you have already. You are an Elder where?:-)

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#12 Nov 14, 2012
sinfulsaint wrote:
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Btw, you commented on a site of mine before under the name Johnny Miller. I'm guessing you will not remember ;-)
Now I know you. Thanks I take it you change your fake name for a reason, I think I know why.

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#13 Nov 14, 2012
sinfulsaint wrote:
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One site I blog has over 250,000 hits. Not tooting my horn but that aint too bad. The sites I have listed here were decoy sites. Try finding the real ones...lol. That's right, you have already. You are an Elder where?:-)
Arkansas, Thats next to Texas and oklahoma :) Love your technique, the reason I never continued on your blogs. Have a great day.:)
sinfulsaint

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#14 Nov 14, 2012
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>Arkansas, Thats next to Texas and oklahoma :) Love your technique, the reason I never continued on your blogs. Have a great day.:)
You don't know me at all you just think you do. Let me guess you think I'm chris knight randy or seeking wanderer. Keep trying
sinfulsaint

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#15 Nov 14, 2012
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>Now I know you. Thanks I take it you change your fake name for a reason, I think I know why.
Oh do tell why. This will be interesting. Tell us why I have used names like foxtrot, mr t, b frank, and others. Ur pissing in the wind.
walkinginlove

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#16 Nov 14, 2012
Wow talk about a subject change to avoid the truth being exposed, well done JC!

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#17 Nov 14, 2012
walkinginlove wrote:
Wow talk about a subject change to avoid the truth being exposed, well done JC!
I have noticed a pattern of this from JC.

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#18 Nov 14, 2012
sinfulsaint wrote:
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Oh do tell why. This will be interesting. Tell us why I have used names like foxtrot, mr t, b frank, and others. Ur pissing in the wind.
Please go back to one of them names, then.

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#19 Nov 14, 2012
JustChristian, try again to address this :-)

According to posters like JustChristian, the Bible calls for someone to be baptized “again” is when the first baptism is considered invalid, i.e., not a baptism at all. Maybe this is when someone is baptized with saaaay, dirt or something, or with no water. I never seen such but it’s the analogy of the poster, JustChristian. In such case, one would need to be baptized if he were baptized in dirt. This was total misdirection from JustChristian. Nobody baptizes in dirt. Let me try this yet again.

The question at hand: does a believer in the risen Christ need to be baptized AGAIN if he attends another Church other than the COC?

The COC teaches that salvation is based upon an intellectual assent to the dogma of “for the forgiveness of your sins.” This means, salvation hinges upon one’s belief in Jesus as the Messiah and belief in baptism “for the forgiveness of your sins.” Belief in the Gospel is not sufficient for salvation without a belief in “for the forgiveness of your sins”, as many COC advocate.

As a result of this teaching, the COC have concluded that those who practice immersion, but not precisely “for the forgiveness of your sins” have not been added to the Church. If one is baptized to obey God, this motive of obedience alone, according to the COC, is not sufficient to validate baptism if one does not know the precise moment God remits sins. If one is only baptized “in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” per (Matthew 28:19), then, according to many Christians, this immersion into the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is not sufficient thus not a valid baptism.

According to the COC, if one does not understand at the time of his/her baptism that it is “for the forgiveness of your sins,” then one’s baptism is no good, worth nothing, void, invalid.

Those at Ephesus.(Acts 19:1-7). They had not learned that John’s baptism had been superseded by baptism “into the name of the Lord Jesus,” as prescribed in the commission. When they heard these things,“they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus.” No emphasis was laid on “for remission” in this cases.

Cornelius was “baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.” He was baptized in the name of Christ, to obey God.

The Ethiopian eunuch was baptized in response to hearing about Jesus.

The case of the Samaritans.“When they believed Philip preaching good things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.”

If today’s COC had of been there, Cornelius, the Ethiopian eunuch, and the Samaritans, would had to been rebaptized because they weren’t baptized with the WORDS “for remission of sins.”

Since: May 10

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#20 Nov 14, 2012
SinfulSaint wrote:
JustChristian, try again to address this :-)
According to posters like JustChristian, the Bible calls for someone to be baptized “again” is when the first baptism is considered invalid, i.e., not a baptism at all. Maybe this is when someone is baptized with saaaay, dirt or something, or with no water. I never seen such but it’s the analogy of the poster, JustChristian. In such case, one would need to be baptized if he were baptized in dirt. This was total misdirection from JustChristian. Nobody baptizes in dirt. Let me try this yet again.
The question at hand: does a believer in the risen Christ need to be baptized AGAIN if he attends another Church other than the COC?
The COC teaches that salvation is based upon an intellectual assent to the dogma of “for the forgiveness of your sins.” This means, salvation hinges upon one’s belief in Jesus as the Messiah and belief in baptism “for the forgiveness of your sins.” Belief in the Gospel is not sufficient for salvation without a belief in “for the forgiveness of your sins”, as many COC advocate.
As a result of this teaching, the COC have concluded that those who practice immersion, but not precisely “for the forgiveness of your sins” have not been added to the Church. If one is baptized to obey God, this motive of obedience alone, according to the COC, is not sufficient to validate baptism if one does not know the precise moment God remits sins. If one is only baptized “in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” per (Matthew 28:19), then, according to many Christians, this immersion into the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is not sufficient thus not a valid baptism.
According to the COC, if one does not understand at the time of his/her baptism that it is “for the forgiveness of your sins,” then one’s baptism is no good, worth nothing, void, invalid.
Those at Ephesus.(Acts 19:1-7). They had not learned that John’s baptism had been superseded by baptism “into the name of the Lord Jesus,” as prescribed in the commission. When they heard these things,“they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus.” No emphasis was laid on “for remission” in this cases.
Cornelius was “baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.” He was baptized in the name of Christ, to obey God.
The Ethiopian eunuch was baptized in response to hearing about Jesus.
The case of the Samaritans.“When they believed Philip preaching good things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.”
If today’s COC had of been there, Cornelius, the Ethiopian eunuch, and the Samaritans, would had to been rebaptized because they weren’t baptized with the WORDS “for remission of sins.”
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