Origin of the Roman Catholic Church

Origin of the Roman Catholic Church

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#1 Jul 9, 2014
People of this discussion board do not debate Mike and other Left-footers on the origin of the Roman Catholic Church, you will lose this argument. Indeed the Roman Catholic Church has its roots far back near Paul’s day. In fact Paul warned that a great falling away would occur and not cease till Jesus returns.

2 Thess. 2:3-12 speaks of a day in which a great falling away from truth arises.

“Let no one deceive you in any way, for the day of the Lord will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and is exalted above all that is called God, or that is worshiped, so that he sits in the temple of God and gives himself out as if he were God. Do you not remember that when I was still with you, I used to tell you these things? And now you know what restrains him, that he may be revealed in his proper time. For the mystery of iniquity is already at work; provided only that he who is at present restraining it, does still restrain, until he is gotten out of the way. And then the wicked one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of his mouth and will destroy with the brightness of his coming. And his coming is according to the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all wicked deception to those who are perishing. For they have not received the love of truth that they might be saved. Therefore God sends them a misleading influence that they may believe falsehood, that all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have preferred wickedness."

1. It has one official man as it head, and the arrogance of its claims are centered in him.
2. That man came with and out of an apostasy, the very kind the apostles describe elsewhere (1 Tim. 4:1-3; Acts 20:28-31; 2 Pet. 2:1-3).
3. He exalts himself against all that is called God; i.e., he is addressed by terms (Pope, Supreme Pontiff, Holy Father, etc.) which belong only to God.
4. He sits in the temple of God, i.e., his sphere of dominion is in the church.
5. His appearance was hindered by some force in Paul's time (2 Thess. 2:6-7); i.e., when the bishops of Rome began to assert power, they were in conflict with the Roman civil
government which dominated and persecuted; however, when the Roman empire collapsed, the Roman church became powerful.
6. The mystery of iniquity was already working in Paul's day (2 Thess. 2:7) and would continue until the Lord's coming (2 Thess. 2:8).
7. The Lord shall destroy him with the brightness of His coming (2 Thess. 2:8). Only by a continual succession of these men of sin could be this possible.
8. The apostasy would produce fraudulent miracles, signs and wonders; i.e., supposed cures brought about by relics and shrines.
9. The whole system is perfected through people's lack of love for truth (2 Thess. 2:10); i.e., Catholics do not love and respect the holy Scriptures as the only authority in religion, but rely
on the Pope along with the Scriptures.

The above clearly reveals the origin of the Harlot Roman Catholic Church. It had its beginning near Paul's day (2 Thess. 2:7) and will continue until the Lords returns (2 Thess. 2:8). The Roman Catholic Church is not the one church revealed but a Church of Apostasy spoken of by Paul.

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#2 Jul 9, 2014
Are there such a thing as a COC that believes in predestination that exists in the UK?

This is the first one I heard that the Church started after Paul wrote 2nd Thessalonians.

And you other protesters don't see how asinine Sola Scriptura is ?
Dave P

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#3 Jul 9, 2014
Not do sure catholicism is the absolute fulfillment of this.

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#4 Jul 10, 2014
Dave P wrote:
Not do sure catholicism is the absolute fulfillment of this.
How can it not be. It is the only one that you can point to a man who started it an has been here for almost 2000 years. She is the bride of Jesus.
I was watching the Journey Home show on ETWN last not and Marcus Grodi described a protestant in way I never heard before but it is so accurate.
'A Protestant is someone who is born again and has accepted Jesus as his personal savior on his own terms. "
Look Jesus , I am willing to give my life to you but you are going to have to accept why I do it. For one thing nobody is going to tell me what to believe. I can use that book the Catholics created and claim you can lead me to the truth. You and me Lord, right?
That is what SS is all about accepting Jesus on your own terms. All of you disagree with each other except for one thing, you all hate the Church.
Why. Because you think you will have to lose your freedom. Guys and Gals, God didn't set up no Democracy, its called a Kingdom for a reason.
This democracy we have as a country is less than 300 years old and is starting to fall apart somewhat. We may nor may not be able to turn it around.
But Jesus' Church has been here 2000 years. It is imaginable that an organization, one who has lasted more than any other organization in the the history of the world cannot be protect from evil as Jesus promised his Church will.
The America our fathers and grandfathers knew is already not the same.Liberals are changing the Constitution. Whether it survives or not as a great country is insignificant if you think about how the Church Jesus started will be here another 2000 years if Jesus has not .come back yet.
Protestants are the liberals as far as the Bible is concerned. The Church created its form of a constitution the Bible. Since the heresy of Protestantism began in the 16th , they have been changing the meaning of the Bible ever since and at a more rapid pace thank goodness. That means in the next 2-3 generations, protestantism will be almost gone.
'A Protestant is a person who has accepted Jesus as his personal savior on his own terms.'
To be deep in history is to cease being protestant

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#5 Jul 10, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
Are there such a thing as a COC that believes in predestination that exists in the UK?
This is the first one I heard that the Church started after Paul wrote 2nd Thessalonians.
And you other protesters don't see how asinine Sola Scriptura is ?
The >>> CHURCH <<< is composed of believers reaching back to Job. The >>> F A L S E <<< Left-footer Church began in the days of the Apostles. This be where your history takes you on path from God. Your love for history is your undoing. For in >>> History <<< you think you have the T R U T H when its your Harlot history who moved away from the apostles teaching which be why you can not find your false teaching in the bible. The harlot has blinded you to truth as you drink from her cup of perverted history. Paul warned a day would arise when people would turn from already revealed truth.

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#6 Jul 10, 2014
To be deep in the word of God is to cease being Catholic
Bobby

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#7 Jul 10, 2014
And you other protesters don't see how asinine Sola Scriptura is ?

Mike that is sacrilege. That is why we call it the "holy" bible, not the book itself-I don't worship the book, but the words themselves are holy because God is Holy.

And, yet you catholics removed the second commandment from your book. "You shall not make idols". It is missing in the catholic version.

http://www.beginningcatholic.com/catholic-ten...

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#8 Jul 10, 2014
Calvins Corner wrote:
To be deep in the word of God is to cease being Catholic
Who is going to teach you what the written word of God means? The Church owns the Bible.

You have no authority at all do you?

BTW: Are you a low end or high end prot?

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#9 Jul 10, 2014
Bobby wrote:
And you other protesters don't see how asinine Sola Scriptura is ?
Mike that is sacrilege. That is why we call it the "holy" bible, not the book itself-I don't worship the book, but the words themselves are holy because God is Holy.
And, yet you catholics removed the second commandment from your book. "You shall not make idols". It is missing in the catholic version.
http://www.beginningcatholic.com/catholic-ten...
To think that Sola Scriptura is from Satan is not sacrilegious. You all prove that is not from God.

Despite appearances, we know Exodus 20 is not a prohibition against making “any likeness of anything” in a strict sense because we clearly see God either commanding or praising the making of images and statues in multiple biblical texts (see Exodus 25:18; Numbers 21:8-9; I Kings 6:23-28, 9:3). Just five chapters after this so-called prohibition against statues, for example, God commands Moses to make statues representing two angels to be placed over the mercy seat of the Ark of the Covenant:

And you shall make two cherubim of gold… The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another…. And you shall put the mercy seat on the top of the ark… There I will meet with you (Ex. 25:18-22).

1. Exodus 20:4 is part of the first commandment that begins in verse 3 and stretches through part of verse five:

You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them.

Verses 3 and 5 make clear that this commandment is not simply condemning making statues; It is condemning making gods that you bow down to or serve. In a word, this first commandment forbids idolatry, i.e., the worship of anything or anyone other than God. The Catholic Church condemns this as well.

2. By lifting out part of the first commandment appearing to prohibit the making of “any likeness of anything,” not only do you have God contradicting himself in later commanding the making of statues, but you also end up making the first two commandments repetitive. They are both essentially condemning idolatry.

3. Though the commandments are said to be “ten” in Exodus 34:28, they are not numbered by the inspired authors of Sacred Scripture. If you count the “you shall nots” along with the two positive commandments of keeping holy the Sabbath and honoring father and mother, you end up with 13 commandments. So the actual numbering of the commandments depends upon which “you shall nots” you lump together as one commandment and which ones you separate. And in the end, which “you shall nots” you lump together depends upon your theology.

4. We believe the Catholic Church alone has the authority to give to God’s people an authoritative list of the Ten Commandments. And the Catechism of the Catholic Church does exactly that. At least, it gives us a list as a sure norm for us.
Bobby

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#10 Jul 10, 2014
Bobby wrote:
And you other protesters don't see how asinine Sola Scriptura is ?
Mike that is sacrilege. That is why we call it the "holy" bible, not the book itself-I don't worship the book, but the words themselves are holy because God is Holy.
And, yet you catholics removed the second commandment from your book. "You shall not make idols". It is missing in the catholic version.
http://www.beginningcatholic.com/catholic-ten...
I was just thinking about a correlation between the second commandment and the second amendment to the constitution.

The catholics ignore the second commandment with the desire to have us not follow sola scripture- even calling it asinine.

Many in this country are trying to remove our rights to carry and own guns. The correlation is that both want to take away our weapons to defend ourselves from our enemies. Sola scripture is where we have the power to believe in and walk in the power of God. Both are for our protection.

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#11 Jul 10, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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Who is going to teach you what the written word of God means? The Church owns the Bible.
You have no authority at all do you?
BTW: Are you a low end or high end prot?
To be deep in the word of God is to cease being Catholic

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#12 Jul 10, 2014
Bobby wrote:
And you other protesters don't see how asinine Sola Scriptura is ?
Mike that is sacrilege. That is why we call it the "holy" bible, not the book itself-I don't worship the book, but the words themselves are holy because God is Holy.
And, yet you catholics removed the second commandment from your book. "You shall not make idols". It is missing in the catholic version.
http://www.beginningcatholic.com/catholic-ten...
See how you mislead people . The Church combined 1 and 2 because worshiping graven images is having another God.

The Church separated your # ten because you associate your neighbors wife with property. A neighbors wife is the same thing as his donkey.

Your version for 10 is
7 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”

Catholics

1. I, the Lord, am your God. You shall not have other gods besides me.
2. You shall not take the name of the Lord God in vain
3. Remember to keep holy the Lord's Day
4. Honor your father and your mother
5. You shall not kill
6. You shall not commit adultery
7. You shall not steal
8. You shall not bear false witness
9. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife
10. You shall not covet your neighbor's goods

1. You shall have no other gods but me.
2. You shall not make unto you any graven images
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain
4. You shall remember the Sabbath and keep it holy
5. Honor your mother and father
6. You shall not murder
7. You shall not commit adultery
8. You shall not steal
9. You shall not bear false witness
10. You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor

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#13 Jul 10, 2014
Bobby wrote:
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I was just thinking about a correlation between the second commandment and the second amendment to the constitution.
The catholics ignore the second commandment with the desire to have us not follow sola scripture- even calling it asinine.
Many in this country are trying to remove our rights to carry and own guns. The correlation is that both want to take away our weapons to defend ourselves from our enemies. Sola scripture is where we have the power to believe in and walk in the power of God. Both are for our protection.
Sola Scriptura is the means to accept Jesus as your personal savior on your own terms. You are my savior Lord, but all that stuff about you giving the Church being the pillar and foundation of truth and having the Keys, I can't accept. We are just going to have meet halfway.
Bobby

Mansfield, TX

#15 Jul 10, 2014
Do you know the story of the golden calf?

The Israelites had apparently begun to doubt the existence of the God their fathers worshiped. Moses was on the mountain waiting on God to give the commandments. When he came down the Israelites had formed a golden calf. Catholics have idols and don't want to give them up, so they changed the wording in the second commandment, so they can keep thier graven images.
Bobby

Mansfield, TX

#16 Jul 10, 2014
In the Old Testament, when God commanded the Tabernacle to be built, it was a place for God to dwell with the people. The people did not meet inside the Tabernacle. Only the priests entered the Tabernacle. The people met together and worshiped God outside under the open sky. They never entered the Tabernacle or later the Temple.

Today, God does not dwell in a building, He dwells in our hearts. We do not have to meet at a special building or enter a special building to worship God. A church building is not needed for us to meet or worship God, nor is it needed for the center of the life of the church.

William is right, catholics are a clone of the OT priestly system. The only difference is that God no longer uses that system or the pope would be struck dead.

It has been said that that because the high priest could be killed by God in Holy of Holies if not properly prepared according to Divine instructions, a rope was routinely tied around his ankle. Then, if he dropped dead, his body could be dragged out.

Catholics should be glad that the OT system has been replaced with a new and better covenant...
Bobby

Mansfield, TX

#17 Jul 10, 2014
Heb 8:6-But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.

Jesus is our mediator, not the pope, not mary and not the church.

For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,

Nevertheless, catholics put their spin on it so that they can continue their priestly system while holding their tradition -men and mary above the written word.

Funny -my puzzel is by the book
Dave P

Flemingsburg, KY

#18 Jul 10, 2014
Mike I meant that I am not sure that the papacy or the catholic church is the fulfillment of the "man of sin" idea. Protestants think so; I think a little differently.

Calvin-the church dates back to Job? What?

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#19 Jul 10, 2014
Dave P wrote:
Mike I meant that I am not sure that the papacy or the catholic church is the fulfillment of the "man of sin" idea. Protestants think so; I think a little differently.
Calvin-the church dates back to Job? What?
To clarify. Body of believers date back to Adam even found in the oldest book we have believers which be Job the oldest book. I meant not Job began the body of believers. Forgive my statement.

I am one who believes that the false Catholic church is the fulfillment of the "man of sin" and she is not teaching truth and you and Mike say. You can push your left-foot on me till the cows come home but never will my knee fall to Mary and never shall I call on her in prayer. Repent and turn from the harlot before your souls be lost
Bobby

Mansfield, TX

#20 Jul 10, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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Sola Scriptura is the means to accept Jesus as your personal savior on your own terms. You are my savior Lord, but all that stuff about you giving the Church being the pillar and foundation of truth and having the Keys, I can't accept. We are just going to have meet halfway.
Sorry, halfway is never good when it includes Apostasy.

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#21 Jul 10, 2014
Bobby wrote:
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Sorry, halfway is never good when it includes Apostasy.
Amen!

Even today Rome is flirting with all religions trying to make some way for all to be saved. The harlot must be put in her place and not permitted to spread her bloody lies

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