William

Weaver, AL

#2 Jun 19, 2013
West Virginia is a fine, beautiful state with lots of nice people. It gets knocked around by the media and Hollywood pretty hard though. The entire south (and pretty much any red state anywhere) for that matter.

Hang tough, Wee-Vee.

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#3 Jun 19, 2013
So The Wild and Wonderful Whites of West Virginia is fiction and Jesco never danced? Bummer! BTW my sister lived in Hinton and I've actually been there. I must say the only decent thing Abraham Lincoln ever did was separate WV and VA.

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#4 Jun 19, 2013
William wrote:
West Virginia is a fine, beautiful state with lots of nice people. It gets knocked around by the media and Hollywood pretty hard though. The entire south (and pretty much any red state anywhere) for that matter.
Hang tough, Wee-Vee.
Thank you and I will.

I have lived in WV for 12 years and I accept it, good and bad - I intend to live out my life here if the mountains allow it. I am still astonished by it's beauty.

WV is plagued with many stereotypes.
William

Weaver, AL

#5 Jun 19, 2013
I still wish that WVU had gotten into the Southeastern Conference for it's athletic teams. That would have been fun.

Oh well.

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#6 Jun 19, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
So The Wild and Wonderful Whites of West Virginia is fiction and Jesco never danced? Bummer! BTW my sister lived in Hinton and I've actually been there. I must say the only decent thing Abraham Lincoln ever did was separate WV and VA.
"The..Whites of WV" film was specific and honest about facts presented - they didn't generalize or speculate about other people. The White Family was compensated for their part in the film and their depiction was a fairly accurate one. The film was produced by Johnny Knoxville and included Hank Williams, III - it was made professionally and YES, it was profitable.

This documentary, "Oxyana", is a film project funded by donations through a website called KickStarter. The movie has only been seen at a NY film festival - it won the best documentary director award, I think. No one HERE has seen it - we can only judge what it will be by it's trailer and synopsis on the KickStarter site. The director did a few radio and newspaper interviews as well.

In his descriptions, the director uses very broad and insulting imagery that applies to our whole county with a focus on Oceana since the name of his film is a catchy play on Oxycotin and Oceana. Oceana is no different than the rest of the county, however, it was singled out as the prescription drug abuse epicenter of the entire country. His descriptions are not of any specific person - his offensive opinions are being passed along as factual - he did not make himself available to any of the town that wanted to defend themselves against this sort of slander. This is a small town and for someone who is claiming to give a look at our community, it is odd that he was barely seen gathering footage.

It is true that you don't have to look very far to find a drug addicted person in our community - it is a shame, but I suggest that it is not so unique. Drug addicted people are only a percentage of our population - this film would have you believe that the rest of the population does not exist - I am here to tell you: we do. The film will suggest that nothing much has been done to combat these problems, as if no one noticed or cared - that's just untrue. You get out there and end drug abuse - get used to temporary and failed results from your efforts because the one true thing that this film addresses: the hopelessness and reasoning behind living drug addicted is tolerated rather than corrected. He didn't solve any of our problems, but the characters in his film DO exist. I found it particularly offensive that he raised $50,000 of donations to FILM our pathetic lives - none was contributed to resolving our troubles that are apparently quite entertaining. He would never give any information as to whether participants where compensated for their participation - I would hate to miss the part of the show where the director gives the drug addict some easy drug money.

It is also bothersome to me that my complaints about this film is actually promoting the very thing that has made me angry enough to complain. I'm also bothered by how anxious I am to see the stupid thing - I've got to know what he said about us. I've got to know what other people will believe about us. Documentaries are true, right?

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#7 Jun 19, 2013
William wrote:
I still wish that WVU had gotten into the Southeastern Conference for it's athletic teams. That would have been fun.
Oh well.
You should follow the Big 12 if you like 'em so good.
William

Birmingham, AL

#8 Jun 19, 2013
"You should follow the Big 12 if you like 'em so good."

I am.

They had a rough first season in all sports. The travel aspect is rough on the adjustment, but eventually they will settle down. I wish that they had two closer teams to play in conference, like maybe Cincinnati and Memphis. That would make for some really good conference basketball.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#9 Jun 19, 2013
I feel ASM's pain. Eastern Kentucky isn't in any better shape, nor does it have a better reputation. This was the frontline of the "war on poverty". We lost that war btw.

There was a show on Current TV called "The Oxy Express" that showed how people from here took flights from Huntington to Florida. Showed people driving from KY to FL to go "dr shopping".

There are a lot of junkies here- but there are also many more good, honest, decent, hard working folks here. I know WV is the same way. One thing that the documentary probably won't shed any light on is this- our states are serious about drugs; they do search for dealers; many are arrested. We do try to end the cycle-but the dealers and junkies are one step ahead with the next pill, the next substance.

Meth was the thing for a while here, then bath salts. My nephew was on those; darn near killed him. Ky shuts that down, circle comes around to heroin now coming back in. Cycle never stops.

The same cycle of hopelessness exists here. And it is tolerated instead of ended. Many people see no problem with "mailbox money" from Uncle Sam because we can't (or won't) let progress and jobs enter our communities. Would you rather have guaranteed money that will sustain you, or minimum wage with minimum hours at Speedway or McDonalds? Or sell to junkies? Coal is great, if the environmental wackos or the government isn't shutting it down. We have a few factories here and there, lumber yards, hospitals and the school system. That's it.

I'll stop for now. Much more to say. Appalachia to me is the most wonderful and beautiful place in the world. I also will not leave, unless God has other plans.
William

Birmingham, AL

#10 Jun 20, 2013
Robert Byrd kept WV on the government dole for so long that it will be hard to wean the state off of subsidies. At the same time, the terrain is not friendly to large-scale industrial development. You need large tracts of flat land for that, and with nearby road and airport access.

This is how Alabama has done well in the last two decades with pitching industrial sites. Plus, we've got rail and a port.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#11 Jun 20, 2013
William wrote:
Robert Byrd kept WV on the government dole for so long that it will be hard to wean the state off of subsidies. At the same time, the terrain is not friendly to large-scale industrial development. You need large tracts of flat land for that, and with nearby road and airport access.
This is how Alabama has done well in the last two decades with pitching industrial sites. Plus, we've got rail and a port.
True. Kentucky has 2/3 of the state in flatland or bluegrass, so the western part of the state is doing well. It's the eastern third that suffers from the same things that hinder the whole state of WV.

Here it's Hal Rogers. Maybe Mitch McConnell too. Ol' Mitch is SO important that we just can't afford to elect somebody else. LOL. The war on poverty was another example of creating loyal voting blocs. But KY is a little weird. Statewide, Dems rule the roost; but nationally we favor GOP.

Speaking of the war on poverty, sometime do a study of LBJ and the civil rights movement. Find out how he really felt about African-Americans, and what his goal was.
William

Birmingham, AL

#12 Jun 20, 2013
Yeah I know about LBJ. Did you know that the first planeload of US military advisors was in the air and on their way out of Vietnam the day that JFK was killed? That got reversed immediately when LBJ took office, and the rest is history.

The Vietnam War was little more than the "Great Texas Military-Industrial Complex Relief Act". Throw in the NASA work in Houston during that time too.
William

Birmingham, AL

#13 Jun 20, 2013
"Maybe Mitch McConnell too."

McConnell, like Harry Reid, is the bogeyman in the Senate for his party. Pelosi, like Boehnner, serves that role in the House.

We all know about the White House. And you are probably going to get Hillary in 2016, so saddle up. America is officially un-fixable now.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#14 Jun 20, 2013
Pretty good summary there William. And then ol' LBJ wouldn't let the boys fight to win either. Military coups in the south. I don't have a high opinion of Johnson's presidency.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#15 Jun 20, 2013
William wrote:
"Maybe Mitch McConnell too."
McConnell, like Harry Reid, is the bogeyman in the Senate for his party. Pelosi, like Boehnner, serves that role in the House.
We all know about the White House. And you are probably going to get Hillary in 2016, so saddle up. America is officially un-fixable now.
Really? Hillary after this Benghazi mess? If you are right, then we'll elect ANYBODY for president. You probably are right though :[
Unfixable is probably the same term I would use.

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#16 Jun 20, 2013
ASM I've been lots of places but two of my favorite houses are in Charleston WV. One is now a museum, Craik-Patton House, and the other, Breezemont, is used as an architect's office or at least it was last time I was there. Breezemont was built by my ex's family.
William

Birmingham, AL

#17 Jun 20, 2013
"Really? Hillary after this Benghazi mess?"

Yeah.

The GOP is just not positioned to win a national general election because of the shifting demographics.

Also, when you get bored, Google up: "Hillary Clinton Watergate Fired"

Interesting reading on her, from even back then.

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