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Dave P

Lexington, KY

#24 Sep 30, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>You didnt answer. Do you believe those to be commands to be followed or rejected?? Simple question.
How does that verse negate Romans 16:16 and 1 Corinthians 16:20? The word "greet" in both is aspasasthe, an aorist middle imperative- a command.

That's the answer I posted last time.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#25 Sep 30, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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I Showed a verse that claimed that the right hand of fellowship was extended explained by Paul. Wonder why they didnt use the Holy Kiss if commanded?
Galatians 2:9
9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision
Explaining away????? looks like I posted scripture.
You attempted to use the Galatians passage to explain away the command to greet with a holy kiss, given in Romans and 1 Corinthians.

Chronologically speaking, Galatians was written before Romans and 1 Corinthians. Was the holy kiss a new revelation? If so, by what authority has it been disregarded and replaced by the holy handshake, or "right hand of fellowship"? Why do so few do so today? Is it a "church ordinance"?

Those questions are intended to make you think. It's all about the manner in which you read and interpret your Bible.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#26 Oct 1, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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Those questions are intended to make you think. It's all about the manner in which you read and interpret your Bible.
Its all about who has the truth and teaches you that truth. You can then read the Bible and appreciate it for what it is, Gods written word.

Without the proper teaching, the Bible is merely words on a piece of paper.

Did Jesus tell the Apostles to decide themselves what he meant when he taught them orally.?

Sola Audientes ? Is that what the Apostles practiced?

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#27 Oct 1, 2013
William wrote:
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If I were a Jew at that Pentecost and heard what Peter said then you can bet that I would have. Those people witnessed the death of their long-prophesied messiah and had a hand in killing him. Peter's exhortation is a murder indictment against the Jews, and he tells them to repent of what they did and own up to it. Repentance for them wasn't some admonition to "stop sinning and get right with the Lord by not sinning anymore," as any hack Church of Christ preacher will try to get you believe regarding what repentance actually is.
But since I am not a Jew, nor was I there at that Pentecost, I would not obey it, since the Acts 2 sermon isn't written to the likes of me. Or you. Or any one else alive today.
So your sins did not send Christ to the cross??

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#28 Oct 1, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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How does that verse negate Romans 16:16 and 1 Corinthians 16:20? The word "greet" in both is aspasasthe, an aorist middle imperative- a command.
That's the answer I posted last time.
Still not answering I noticed. Do you take these as commands for the Christian of today (you) to obey or not?

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#29 Oct 1, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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How does that verse negate Romans 16:16 and 1 Corinthians 16:20? The word "greet" in both is aspasasthe, an aorist middle imperative- a command.
That's the answer I posted last time.
I believe you want to argue more than simply state your belief.
William

Birmingham, AL

#30 Oct 1, 2013
"So your sins did not send Christ to the cross??"

I wasn't alive 2,000 years ago.
William

Birmingham, AL

#31 Oct 1, 2013
"Chronologically speaking, Galatians was written before Romans and 1 Corinthians."

It seems to me that Galatians was written around Acts 15 and Romans around Acts 20. Galatians appears to be the first epistle that Paul wrote.
William

Birmingham, AL

#32 Oct 1, 2013
And 2 Timothy appears to be the last epistle that he wrote.

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#33 Oct 1, 2013
William wrote:
"So your sins did not send Christ to the cross??"
I wasn't alive 2,000 years ago.
Wow so no one after Christ has no responsibility in that?? Wow better tell Paul that.
Dave P

Olive Hill, KY

#34 Oct 1, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>Still not answering I noticed. Do you take these as commands for the Christian of today (you) to obey or not?
And you still major in asking constant questions and playing dodgeball. BTW, you miss context on this holy kiss thing. What was the purpose of the "right hand of fellowship"? Was it not connected to the whole circumcision incident? Had nothing to do with the greeting idea; instead it was about Paul's ministry to the gentiles being accepted by all. The holy kiss COMMANDMENT, which I have pointed out twice now was in the imperative mode, is in a greeting setting.

Are we commanded to greet specifically with a kiss, or will a handshake do? The ONLY reason this ever comes up is coc interpretation. Or, do we miss the SPIRIT of the command, which is to greet the brethren? The imperative mode means it is a direct command of an apostle. Does a handshake violate the command? And do we actually need a COMMAND to greet the brethren?
William

Birmingham, AL

#35 Oct 1, 2013
"Wow so no one after Christ has no responsibility in that?? Wow better tell Paul that."

Here is what Paul, writing via the Holy Spirit, said about sin and Jesus Christ:

2 Corinthians 5:19-21

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

But almost no one actually believes any of this to be true for us living today.
Dave P

Olive Hill, KY

#36 Oct 1, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
Its all about who has the truth and teaches you that truth. You can then read the Bible and appreciate it for what it is, Gods written word.
Without the proper teaching, the Bible is merely words on a piece of paper.
Did Jesus tell the Apostles to decide themselves what he meant when he taught them orally.?
Sola Audientes ? Is that what the Apostles practiced?
Sometimes you catholics have good answers.
William

Birmingham, AL

#37 Oct 1, 2013
Acts 2:36-37

36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

Or:

2 Corinthians 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

I wonder why Peter didn't just tell the folks at Pentecost what Paul later told the Corinthians. Didn't those assembled Jews need to hear that their trespass of having killed their messiah was taken care of already by God's reconciliation?

Weird, huh.

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#38 Oct 1, 2013
If the CoC don't obey the gospel commandment to greet each other with a holy kiss, they are going to hell.

If they can condemn people for musical instruments, we can condemn them for real disobedience.

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#39 Oct 1, 2013
Olethros wrote:
If the CoC don't obey the gospel commandment to greet each other with a holy kiss, they are going to hell.
If they can condemn people for musical instruments, we can condemn them for real disobedience.
Like continually splitting up the Body of Christ?

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#40 Oct 1, 2013
Olethros wrote:
If the CoC don't obey the gospel commandment to greet each other with a holy kiss, they are going to hell.
If they can condemn people for musical instruments, we can condemn them for real disobedience.
Do you practice this Holy Kiss command or not?

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#41 Oct 1, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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And you still major in asking constant questions and playing dodgeball. BTW, you miss context on this holy kiss thing. What was the purpose of the "right hand of fellowship"? Was it not connected to the whole circumcision incident? Had nothing to do with the greeting idea; instead it was about Paul's ministry to the gentiles being accepted by all. The holy kiss COMMANDMENT, which I have pointed out twice now was in the imperative mode, is in a greeting setting.
Are we commanded to greet specifically with a kiss, or will a handshake do? The ONLY reason this ever comes up is coc interpretation. Or, do we miss the SPIRIT of the command, which is to greet the brethren? The imperative mode means it is a direct command of an apostle. Does a handshake violate the command? And do we actually need a COMMAND to greet the brethren?
Is that a yes or a no for you as a Christian? And do you meant a literal kiss or a greeting?

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#42 Oct 1, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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And you still major in asking constant questions and playing dodgeball. BTW, you miss context on this holy kiss thing. What was the purpose of the "right hand of fellowship"? Was it not connected to the whole circumcision incident? Had nothing to do with the greeting idea; instead it was about Paul's ministry to the gentiles being accepted by all. The holy kiss COMMANDMENT, which I have pointed out twice now was in the imperative mode, is in a greeting setting.
Are we commanded to greet specifically with a kiss, or will a handshake do? The ONLY reason this ever comes up is coc interpretation. Or, do we miss the SPIRIT of the command, which is to greet the brethren? The imperative mode means it is a direct command of an apostle. Does a handshake violate the command? And do we actually need a COMMAND to greet the brethren?
lol lets see how many questions you just asked in one sitting.

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#43 Oct 1, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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And you still major in asking constant questions and playing dodgeball. BTW, you miss context on this holy kiss thing. What was the purpose of the "right hand of fellowship"? Was it not connected to the whole circumcision incident? Had nothing to do with the greeting idea; instead it was about Paul's ministry to the gentiles being accepted by all. The holy kiss COMMANDMENT, which I have pointed out twice now was in the imperative mode, is in a greeting setting.
Are we commanded to greet specifically with a kiss, or will a handshake do? The ONLY reason this ever comes up is coc interpretation. Or, do we miss the SPIRIT of the command, which is to greet the brethren? The imperative mode means it is a direct command of an apostle. Does a handshake violate the command? And do we actually need a COMMAND to greet the brethren?
Yep when people say things that dont seem right I keep asking questions. And your problem with that is????

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