Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#452 Jul 23, 2013
What? I turn my back and you completely quit discussing homosexuality entirely? I obviously need to re-explain the point and purpose of this thread.

You would RATHER talk about a "Christian Nation" because having a pleasant, grown-up discussion about homosexuality is above and beyond how you EVER intend to act. This is the reason I started this thread - you NEED to come to terms that whether or not there will be homosexuality is out of your hands - homosexuality already IS and you need to calm down and start treating homosexual people with respect.

Until recently, everyone was very respectful to the "gays", explaining that they are saddened that gays will be going to Hell, but gays can redeem themselves by joining the church and being celibate or trying out heterosexuality. That was, of course, before any publicly gay people arrived to defend themselves - and now you see where this thread has taken us.

Several of the original posters have dropped out of the discussion - I will admit, the discussion was dragging on a bit - but I thought it would add another angle to invite an ACTUAL gay person to present that side of the argument. I even brought a rare gay person - she IS legally married - most gay people are not.

Of course, she was quickly followed by some unintended visitors - Anonymous Proxy and killedjoe are quite interesting but also aggressive. Suddenly, I recognize another aspect of this issue that I couldn't explain before - I want Christians to stop being so mean to gay people.

The Christians I was speaking with previously were quite nice, actually - it was hard for me to accuse them of mistreating gay people. But NOW I see it.

There is only one public gay poster in this conversation - even though I am heterosexual, I feel like I am "like her" in that all judgement towards homosexuality also applies to me. Is all that you have said about NorCal also true about me?

Anonymous Proxy has described me as a reprobate (is that a villain?), a pansy, a fairy, a butch, trashy, sissy, bugger, sodomite, promiscuous, a blind puppy, effeminate, ignorant, stupid, and a liar. Other gay rights supporters and I are a bunch of queers with a mental disorder who accept perversion and our lies pervert the scriptures. To have a conversation with me would cause someone to stoop too low because the garbage that I post are nothing but lies and I cannot defend my actions without lying.

I know all of that was directed at NorCal - then you go on to apply it to all gay people - and by association, also me. Why do you act so horribly towards gay people? NorCal is a strong, bold, confident gay person - many of the gay people who hear your words will not tell you about yourself - they will just accept the hurt as a fact of life. This sort of judgmental disgust towards a group of people is dreadful to witness.

Why do Christians act this way? Some people assume that Christians are especially nice - I know better.

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#453 Jul 23, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
What? I turn my back and you completely quit discussing homosexuality entirely? I obviously need to re-explain the point and purpose of this thread.
You would RATHER talk about a "Christian Nation" because having a pleasant, grown-up discussion about homosexuality is above and beyond how you EVER intend to act. This is the reason I started this thread - you NEED to come to terms that whether or not there will be homosexuality is out of your hands - homosexuality already IS and you need to calm down and start treating homosexual people with respect.
Until recently, everyone was very respectful to the "gays", explaining that they are saddened that gays will be going to Hell, but gays can redeem themselves by joining the church and being celibate or trying out heterosexuality. That was, of course, before any publicly gay people arrived to defend themselves - and now you see where this thread has taken us.
Several of the original posters have dropped out of the discussion - I will admit, the discussion was dragging on a bit - but I thought it would add another angle to invite an ACTUAL gay person to present that side of the argument. I even brought a rare gay person - she IS legally married - most gay people are not.
Of course, she was quickly followed by some unintended visitors - Anonymous Proxy and killedjoe are quite interesting but also aggressive. Suddenly, I recognize another aspect of this issue that I couldn't explain before - I want Christians to stop being so mean to gay people.
The Christians I was speaking with previously were quite nice, actually - it was hard for me to accuse them of mistreating gay people. But NOW I see it.
There is only one public gay poster in this conversation - even though I am heterosexual, I feel like I am "like her" in that all judgement towards homosexuality also applies to me. Is all that you have said about NorCal also true about me?
Anonymous Proxy has described me as a reprobate (is that a villain?), a pansy, a fairy, a butch, trashy, sissy, bugger, sodomite, promiscuous, a blind puppy, effeminate, ignorant, stupid, and a liar. Other gay rights supporters and I are a bunch of queers with a mental disorder who accept perversion and our lies pervert the scriptures. To have a conversation with me would cause someone to stoop too low because the garbage that I post are nothing but lies and I cannot defend my actions without lying.
I know all of that was directed at NorCal - then you go on to apply it to all gay people - and by association, also me. Why do you act so horribly towards gay people? NorCal is a strong, bold, confident gay person - many of the gay people who hear your words will not tell you about yourself - they will just accept the hurt as a fact of life. This sort of judgmental disgust towards a group of people is dreadful to witness.
Why do Christians act this way? Some people assume that Christians are especially nice - I know better.
rAmen........seems that some are okay with certain issues until an actual Lesbian shows up.......this happens in many threads and it appears to always come to a Homosexuality vs Christianity......when in reality that has nothing to do with this issue!!!

Thanks for the post:-)
Anonymous Proxy

Manassas, VA

#454 Jul 23, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
What? I turn my back and you completely quit discussing homosexuality entirely? I obviously need to re-explain the point and purpose of this thread.
You would RATHER talk about a "Christian Nation" because having a pleasant, grown-up discussion about homosexuality is above and beyond how you EVER intend to act. This is the reason I started this thread - you NEED to come to terms that whether or not there will be homosexuality is out of your hands - homosexuality already IS and you need to calm down and start treating homosexual people with respect.
Until recently, everyone was very respectful to the "gays", explaining that they are saddened that gays will be going to Hell, but gays can redeem themselves by joining the church and being celibate or trying out heterosexuality. That was, of course, before any publicly gay people arrived to defend themselves - and now you see where this thread has taken us.
Several of the original posters have dropped out of the discussion - I will admit, the discussion was dragging on a bit - but I thought it would add another angle to invite an ACTUAL gay person to present that side of the argument. I even brought a rare gay person - she IS legally married - most gay people are not.
Of course, she was quickly followed by some unintended visitors - Anonymous Proxy and killedjoe are quite interesting but also aggressive. Suddenly, I recognize another aspect of this issue that I couldn't explain before - I want Christians to stop being so mean to gay people.
The Christians I was speaking with previously were quite nice, actually - it was hard for me to accuse them of mistreating gay people. But NOW I see it.
There is only one public gay poster in this conversation - even though I am heterosexual, I feel like I am "like her" in that all judgement towards homosexuality also applies to me. Is all that you have said about NorCal also true about me?
Anonymous Proxy has described me as a reprobate (is that a villain?), a pansy, a fairy, a butch, trashy, sissy, bugger, sodomite, promiscuous, a blind puppy, effeminate, ignorant, stupid, and a liar. Other gay rights supporters and I are a bunch of queers with a mental disorder who accept perversion and our lies pervert the scriptures. To have a conversation with me would cause someone to stoop too low because the garbage that I post are nothing but lies and I cannot defend my actions without lying.
I know all of that was directed at NorCal - then you go on to apply it to all gay people - and by association, also me. Why do you act so horribly towards gay people? NorCal is a strong, bold, confident gay person - many of the gay people who hear your words will not tell you about yourself - they will just accept the hurt as a fact of life. This sort of judgmental disgust towards a group of people is dreadful to witness.
Why do Christians act this way? Some people assume that Christians are especially nice - I know better.
I want you to watch this video and tell me what it says. If you tell the truth you go against your buddy NorCal, if you lie it proves exactly what I was saying all along. Lets see you wiggle out of this you little monkey. What the video actually says is below the link.



President Obama
Where we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation, at least not just. We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of unbelievers.
Anonymous Proxy

Manassas, VA

#455 Jul 23, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
<quoted text>
And you're just a loon who buys into some conspiracy theory!!!!
Why don't the little monkey say anything about your name calling? Calling Barnsweb a "loon" is a little mean don't you think? O never called you a loon, not even when you called me a jackass. It appears I am a little more tolerant then members of the perverted part of our society that live in this Christian nation.
Anonymous Proxy

Manassas, VA

#456 Jul 23, 2013
O never called you a loon, not even when you called me a jackass.

the "I" on my keyboard was not working so I used an "O". It has started working again but it just shows how versatile I am.

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#457 Jul 23, 2013
Anonymous Proxy wrote:
No, it's not mean and it's my opinion and if ya don't like it....you can simply ignore it!!!

Some how it's okay for all the names I've been called on this thread......but I say something and you want to get up in my grill.......and you are a jackazz........you just love attacking folks who don't believe as you do.....and you do it in every thread you post in........and your comments about certain posters is not been saintly......lol!!!
Anonymous Proxy

Manassas, VA

#458 Jul 23, 2013
"and your comments about certain posters is not been saintly"
Coming from a Navy SEAL with a Masters degree in education "is not been saintly" sounds a little strange but who is going to argue with a Navy SEAL?
"get up in my grill"? I know you are an old lady but just what prehistoric decade did that expression come from? You been drinking?

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#459 Jul 23, 2013
Anonymous Proxy wrote:
"and your comments about certain posters is not been saintly"
Coming from a Navy SEAL with a Masters degree in education "is not been saintly" sounds a little strange but who is going to argue with a Navy SEAL?
"get up in my grill"? I know you are an old lady but just what prehistoric decade did that expression come from? You been drinking?
What don't you get? I'M NOT NOW NOR EVER BEEN A NAVY SEAL.........I served in the Navy......but not in that capacity......and my Masters came years later......like a few years back!!!

Sorry, no more an "OLD LADY" as I was "NEVER" a Navy Seal........and I don't drink alcohol......it's not healthy for me!!!
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#460 Jul 24, 2013
Norcal, when the Day comes, don't dare say you were ignorant - just admit you did as you pleased.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#461 Jul 24, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
What? I turn my back and you completely quit discussing homosexuality entirely? I obviously need to re-explain the point and purpose of this thread.
You would RATHER talk about a "Christian Nation" because having a pleasant, grown-up discussion about homosexuality is above and beyond how you EVER intend to act. This is the reason I started this thread - you NEED to come to terms that whether or not there will be homosexuality is out of your hands - homosexuality already IS and you need to calm down and start treating homosexual people with respect.
Until recently, everyone was very respectful to the "gays", explaining that they are saddened that gays will be going to Hell, but gays can redeem themselves by joining the church and being celibate or trying out heterosexuality. That was, of course, before any publicly gay people arrived to defend themselves - and now you see where this thread has taken us.
Several of the original posters have dropped out of the discussion - I will admit, the discussion was dragging on a bit - but I thought it would add another angle to invite an ACTUAL gay person to present that side of the argument. I even brought a rare gay person - she IS legally married - most gay people are not.
Of course, she was quickly followed by some unintended visitors - Anonymous Proxy and killedjoe are quite interesting but also aggressive. Suddenly, I recognize another aspect of this issue that I couldn't explain before - I want Christians to stop being so mean to gay people.
The Christians I was speaking with previously were quite nice, actually - it was hard for me to accuse them of mistreating gay people. But NOW I see it.
There is only one public gay poster in this conversation - even though I am heterosexual, I feel like I am "like her" in that all judgement towards homosexuality also applies to me. Is all that you have said about NorCal also true about me?
Anonymous Proxy has described me as a reprobate (is that a villain?), a pansy, a fairy, a butch, trashy, sissy, bugger, sodomite, promiscuous, a blind puppy, effeminate, ignorant, stupid, and a liar. Other gay rights supporters and I are a bunch of queers with a mental disorder who accept perversion and our lies pervert the scriptures. To have a conversation with me would cause someone to stoop too low because the garbage that I post are nothing but lies and I cannot defend my actions without lying.
I know all of that was directed at NorCal - then you go on to apply it to all gay people - and by association, also me. Why do you act so horribly towards gay people? NorCal is a strong, bold, confident gay person - many of the gay people who hear your words will not tell you about yourself - they will just accept the hurt as a fact of life. This sort of judgmental disgust towards a group of people is dreadful to witness.
Why do Christians act this way? Some people assume that Christians are especially nice - I know better.
And we can all see how 'nice' homosexuals are by their politics and parades. Delusions are delusions, no matter the facts.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#462 Jul 24, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
<quoted text>
And you're just a loon who buys into some conspiracy theory!!!!
It isn't a theory. It's fact.

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#463 Jul 24, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
Norcal, when the Day comes, don't dare say you were ignorant - just admit you did as you pleased.
Whatever.......if you want to believe in some sort of conspiracy......then do so, but like I said.......it's not gonna happen!!!

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#464 Jul 24, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
<quoted text>
It isn't a theory. It's fact.
How is it a fact? Just because someone wrote about it doesn't mean it's true and if you opt to buy into their beliefs that's your right, but that's all it is......their beliefs and nothing more!!!

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#465 Jul 24, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
As I said, and it's documented in Apollyon Rising 2012, our nation was founded in a split of religious beliefs. Further, the secret plans were not made public. What we see today of the divisions to bring the US down has been long in the works by those who founded the nation with Pagan purposes for the New World Order - Democrat or Republican makes no difference - our fate was cast at the Civil War - there is no State or individual sovereignty any more - it is all about the Fed and Corporation of the USA - not the nation founded by the fathers of 'We the People'.
You're just a tool and have no sense of who you are really supporting. You'll find out soon enough though.
Did you listen to the interview of Charlette?
You do know that 2012 has already pasted, right? and according to this:
the forbidden knowledge of the Vatican and Washington DC, and the two-hundred year old cipher hidden in plain site at the Capitol Dome and on the Great Seal of the United States. You are about to embark upon the discovery of a lifetime, with a countdown toward the year 2012 that is unlike anything you have heard or read anywhere before.
http://www.apollyonrising2012.com/

This great big REVELATION should have already happened......so, yes......a conspiracy theory with NO BIG ENDING........good one!!!
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#467 Jul 24, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
Norcal, when the Day comes, don't dare say you were ignorant - just admit you did as you pleased.
As you.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#468 Jul 24, 2013
There is division between those who initiated the plan - just as Psalm 2 says, God will hold them in derision.

Anyway, I tire of the discussion - nothing of interest any more but people trying to put blame on Christians. Fact is that I've never known any Christian speak hatefully to any homosexual. The only ones I've witnessed this trait with are non Christian 'red-neck' or 'good ol' boys'.

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#469 Jul 24, 2013
Anonymous Proxy wrote:
<quoted text>I want you to watch this video and tell me what it says. If you tell the truth you go against your buddy NorCal, if you lie it proves exactly what I was saying all along. Lets see you wiggle out of this you little monkey. What the video actually says is below the link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =tmC3IevZiikXX
President Obama
Where we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation, at least not just. We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of unbelievers.
OK - I clicked your link and your interpretation is fairly accurate - I can for sure correct the word "unbelievers", he actually said "non-believers". That very first word is barely included in the video and I suppose it could be interpreted as "were" or "where", although either of those words awkwardly begin that sentence. "If" would have made more sense. Good news! I found a longer video of that same speech. Obama actually says: Whatever we once were, we are no longer....

https://www.youtube.com/watch...

Does this clear up the issue of what Obama said about this being a Christian Nation? Sounds like what "we once were" is pretty insignificant to what we are now. The rest of the speech is interesting as well - you should listen to it in it entirety.

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#470 Jul 24, 2013
Anonymous Proxy wrote:
<quoted text>Why don't the little monkey say anything about your name calling? Calling Barnsweb a "loon" is a little mean don't you think? O never called you a loon, not even when you called me a jackass. It appears I am a little more tolerant then members of the perverted part of our society that live in this Christian nation.
I didn't mention others name-calling because you started it, friend. If NorCal called you a long list of judgmental names, it would merely be in rebuttal of already being judged by you. Both Barnsweb and killedjoe said some derogatory things, but your list of insults was the longest so I used your words as the example. Truly, you are not the first or last Christian to speak of homosexual people as if they were criminals - its a serious problem in real life.

Why do you over-use the word "perverted" so much?

per·vert·ed Adjective
(of a person or their actions) Characterized by sexually abnormal and unacceptable practices or tendencies.
(of a thing) Having been corrupted or distorted from its original course, meaning, or state.

You keep judging ALL gay people as being perverted in every way - you've judged their actions, their ideas, their lifestyles, their parenting, their identities, all as perverted. Don't you understand that this is only your opinion? You are allowed to believe that what you say is true, but that does not make it true in actuality.

I do not understand why your judgement of perversion is something you lay down as fact: you judge homosexual acts as "sexually abnormal" and "unacceptable" - that's your opinion - one that many people do not share. You judge homosexuality as a "corruption" of society - that also is your opinion - many people also believe that this is not true. Your judgement of homosexuality being perverted is just your opinion, not fact.

Please give me an example of how gay people are judging Christians. I want to address all of the aspects of homosexuality. I can tell it really bothers you, so why don't you very specifically explain why opposing homosexuality is something that you are passionate about.

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#471 Jul 24, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
<quoted text>
What don't you get? I'M NOT NOW NOR EVER BEEN A NAVY SEAL.........I served in the Navy......but not in that capacity......and my Masters came years later......like a few years back!!!
Sorry, no more an "OLD LADY" as I was "NEVER" a Navy Seal........and I don't drink alcohol......it's not healthy for me!!!
Guess what! I don't drink alcohol either! The Bible actually allows it and I have always found that odd and inconsistent - why WOULD God encourage people to indulge in something that could lead to addiction or at least impaired judgement and decision-making? But the Christians here stood by it when I asked - none would condemn alcohol. I consider alcohol to be like drugs - I wouldn't encourage anyone to drink alcohol.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#472 Jul 24, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
<quoted text>
Guess what! I don't drink alcohol either! The Bible actually allows it and I have always found that odd and inconsistent - why WOULD God encourage people to indulge in something that could lead to addiction or at least impaired judgement and decision-making? But the Christians here stood by it when I asked - none would condemn alcohol. I consider alcohol to be like drugs - I wouldn't encourage anyone to drink alcohol.
In this present day and age there is nothing good about drinking alcohol. Cling to what is Good and flee from evil, comes to mind.

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