William

Pell City, AL

#288 Jul 19, 2013
Did Jesus Christ die for a homosexual sinner just like he did for a heterosexual sinner?

He most certainly did.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#289 Jul 19, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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It matter's not what one considers God's real name......it is simply a proven factor that not all words can be translated from one language to another!!!
Names are usually transliterated. His name is one that could easily been 'translated' into English or Greek, but it wasn't in the Greek and is in the AENT and Complete Jewish Bible, which shows the problem with the Greek translations - the name above all other names was effectively removed and few seem to care! It's the lack of caring enough to correct a gross mistranslation that seems most wrong to me. If it mattered enough to God for Him to have an angel tell Mary and Joseph what to name Him - that should be evident enough that we also should care about what His name is if our 'faith fathers' ignorantly went alone with the change - we should know better!

If someone knew the name and deliberately changed it - all through the NT Greek texts - that seems reason enough to me for rejecting the entire translations from Greek if they are that perverted from what was actually in them.... Why not?
Anonymous Proxy

Chicago, IL

#290 Jul 20, 2013
William wrote:
Did Jesus Christ die for a homosexual sinner just like he did for a heterosexual sinner?
He most certainly did.
And since that is the case, the better question would be are either of these sinners likely to enter the kingdom of heaven? Since they openly continue in their sin without a single iota of remorse, in complete denial that their actions are even a sin, what does the bible say about that?
Anonymous Proxy

Chicago, IL

#291 Jul 20, 2013
William wrote:
Did Jesus Christ die for a homosexual sinner just like he did for a heterosexual sinner?
He most certainly did.
The problem is some like to pretend their sin is different. When you acknowledge there are several sins mentioned in 1 Cor.6:9 with equal ramifications you are at least on the road to being honest with yourself. To try to remove that sin from the list for the sake of political correctness is not being honest with oneself.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#292 Jul 20, 2013
Christ died for the sins of the whole world, but He never taught everyone would be saved. The matter is if a sin needs to be repented of before it can be forgiven - is repentance to turn and do the will of God required.

From what I've read, it seems repentance is required... God forgave murderers, but did He ever forgive an unrepentant murderer? The Bible is a big book, but I don't recall ever seeing that one... Has someone else seen it? Maybe they could post the passage?
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#293 Jul 20, 2013
Jesus said 'Father forgive them, they know not what they do', but this should obviously only fit a sin of ignorance, and is limited, as Scripture also says God winked at the ignorance of men at one time, but now commands all men to repent.
Anonymous Proxy

Chicago, IL

#294 Jul 20, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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You are entitled to your religious beliefs and you can post until hell freezes over that you think effeminate means homosexual, but it still is irrelevant because there are those who disagree with you and have provided evidence to support their claim.
It would be irrelevant if it were my beliefs but it is God's directions to us. Make the claim that 1 Cor 6:9 does not condemn homosexuals all you want, the difference is it is the word of God and not my word you are refusing to believe. No one has provided any proof of that verse meaning anything other than what it says. I gave the definition of the Greek word. You want to deceive everyone with a bogus argument about an alternate definition of word in another language. Definitions change and many words have been used to translate the activity in that verse. Some older versions used the word "buggers" "sodomites" to name a few. For there to be one of those there has to be a receptor. The Greek describes it graphically while some of our translations use less graphic detail and paraphrase. What it amounts to is this, no matter what words you use to describe it(and there are several)it comes down to one thing. Queer is still queer, regardless of the language or words used in the description. This has been around a long time as has adultery and bigamy and the same variety of definitions can be applied in describing those as well.
Anonymous Proxy

Chicago, IL

#295 Jul 20, 2013
Sorry about the typos.
Anonymous Proxy

Chicago, IL

#296 Jul 20, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
Christ died for the sins of the whole world, but He never taught everyone would be saved. The matter is if a sin needs to be repented of before it can be forgiven - is repentance to turn and do the will of God required.
From what I've read, it seems repentance is required... God forgave murderers, but did He ever forgive an unrepentant murderer? The Bible is a big book, but I don't recall ever seeing that one... Has someone else seen it? Maybe they could post the passage?
I don't know how God will judge anyone and he can certainly have mercy to no end. I personally think it could be far more difficult when you openly deny your sin. To repent in your heart even though you have trouble in an area of your life may possibly open the door to his mercy, as only God can read our hearts. Hard heartedness to God's word in MY OPINION is a more serious matter, for what it's worth, which isn't much.
killedjoe

Lindenhurst, NY

#297 Jul 20, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
Jesus said 'Father forgive them, they know not what they do', but this should obviously only fit a sin of ignorance, and is limited, as Scripture also says God winked at the ignorance of men at one time, but now commands all men to repent.
Then why do we need a final judgement "AFTER THE NEW EARTH". Sin is forgiven and given a 2nd chance we learn what truth is. Didn't Jesus say that one day, "the truth will set you free". Today we don't know the truth. This is the redemption itself. This is the term that some folks used we are saved thru Christ.
Anonymous Proxy

Chicago, IL

#298 Jul 20, 2013
I have been accused many times as most Christians of judging, a favorite comeback of someone when their sin is pointed out. Truth is we cannot say anymore that what is given to us in the word. When the word says for instance as in the verse below I se no other option that to say and accept what the word says on the matter.
Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

When it comes to judging other sins, God has not given us as clear of an indicator of what he will do. Mercy is spoken of and may come into play, I hope for all of us. If the judgement is a strict one as some verses seem to indicate many Christians may be in trouble. The flood didn't leave many in Noah's day. Do our best and pray for mercy.
William

Birmingham, AL

#299 Jul 20, 2013
"And since that is the case, the better question would be are either of these sinners likely to enter the kingdom of heaven? Since they openly continue in their sin without a single iota of remorse, in complete denial that their actions are even a sin, what does the bible say about that?"

It says that ALL have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. There is not now, nor has there ever been, a single just person on the earth in the eyes of God, following the fall of Adam. This means everyone that has ever lived.

But God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself through the death, burial, and resurrection of his son. Christ shed his blood for sinners, and that is everyone. He didn't shed his blood for "some" sinners either. There are NONE righteous, but God made it possible for us to BE righteous by having the righteousness of Jesus Christ imputed to us. The righteousness of his son is the ONLY righteousness that God will see or accept.

The power of sin to send someone to hell was destroyed at the cross. The only thing that will prevent a person from going to heaven is their rejection of the gospel of Jesus Christ ... that Christ died, was buried, and resurrected for their justification. And every so-called "Christian" religion in the world today HATES the gospel of Jesus Christ because the gospel renders their religion null and void.

You can "repent of your sins" until hell freezes over and be water baptized until your skin falls off, but you will never obtain righteousness until you give up and trust Christ ALONE as your savior. It's been that way ever since Paul came along to preach what the resurrected Christ gave him to preach, and it was hidden in God from before the very foundation of the world.

Go read it and see.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#300 Jul 20, 2013
Anonymous Proxy wrote:
I have been accused many times as most Christians of judging, a favorite comeback of someone when their sin is pointed out. Truth is we cannot say anymore that what is given to us in the word. When the word says for instance as in the verse below I se no other option that to say and accept what the word says on the matter.
Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
When it comes to judging other sins, God has not given us as clear of an indicator of what he will do. Mercy is spoken of and may come into play, I hope for all of us. If the judgement is a strict one as some verses seem to indicate many Christians may be in trouble. The flood didn't leave many in Noah's day. Do our best and pray for mercy.
First, pointing out the truth is not judgmental. Here are a few more examples of what does not constitute being judgmental:

It is not judgmental to make a moral appraisal of whether a personís actions are sinful or whether the person is likely culpable for them.

It is not judgmental to have a negative emotional reaction to what is objectively evil.

It is not judgmental to bear in mind that a person you have forgiven has committed harmful actions in the past and may commit them again in the future.

One way to avoid being judgmental is to avoid making rash judgments.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states:

To avoid rash judgment, everyone should be careful to interpret insofar as possible his neighborís thoughts, words, and deeds in a favorable way: "Every good Christian ought to be more ready to give a favorable interpretation to anotherís statement than to condemn it. But if he cannot do so, let him ask how the other understands it. And if the latter understands it badly, let the former correct him with love. If that does not suffice, let the Christian try all suitable ways to bring the other to a correct interpretation so that he may be saved" (CCC 2478, cf. St. Ignatius, Spiritual Exercises 22).

Anonymous Proxy

Chicago, IL

#301 Jul 20, 2013
William wrote:
"And since that is the case, the better question would be are either of these sinners likely to enter the kingdom of heaven? Since they openly continue in their sin without a single iota of remorse, in complete denial that their actions are even a sin, what does the bible say about that?"
It says that ALL have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. There is not now, nor has there ever been, a single just person on the earth in the eyes of God, following the fall of Adam. This means everyone that has ever lived.
But God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself through the death, burial, and resurrection of his son. Christ shed his blood for sinners, and that is everyone. He didn't shed his blood for "some" sinners either. There are NONE righteous, but God made it possible for us to BE righteous by having the righteousness of Jesus Christ imputed to us. The righteousness of his son is the ONLY righteousness that God will see or accept.
The power of sin to send someone to hell was destroyed at the cross. The only thing that will prevent a person from going to heaven is their rejection of the gospel of Jesus Christ ... that Christ died, was buried, and resurrected for their justification. And every so-called "Christian" religion in the world today HATES the gospel of Jesus Christ because the gospel renders their religion null and void.
You can "repent of your sins" until hell freezes over and be water baptized until your skin falls off, but you will never obtain righteousness until you give up and trust Christ ALONE as your savior. It's been that way ever since Paul came along to preach what the resurrected Christ gave him to preach, and it was hidden in God from before the very foundation of the world.
Go read it and see.
Maybe you can tell us if a adulterer or homosexual who continues in their lifestyle and even claims it is not sin will be saved? Lets even alter the question slightly and have two slightly different situations. Is a adulterer or homosexual who continues in their lifestyle knowing it is sin, saved? What will be the end of individuals in these two situations according to these verses of Paul?

1Co 6:9 Don't you know that wicked people won't inherit the kingdom of God? Stop deceiving yourselves! People who continue to commit sexual sins, who worship false gods, those who commit adultery, homosexuals,
1Co 6:10 or thieves, those who are greedy or drunk, who use abusive language, or who rob people will not inherit the kingdom of God.
1Co 6:11 That's what some of you were! But you have been washed and made holy, and you have received God's approval in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
Anonymous Proxy

Chicago, IL

#302 Jul 20, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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First, pointing out the truth is not judgmental. Here are a few more examples of what does not constitute being judgmental:
It is not judgmental to make a moral appraisal of whether a personís actions are sinful or whether the person is likely culpable for them.
It is not judgmental to have a negative emotional reaction to what is objectively evil.
It is not judgmental to bear in mind that a person you have forgiven has committed harmful actions in the past and may commit them again in the future.
One way to avoid being judgmental is to avoid making rash judgments.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church states:
To avoid rash judgment, everyone should be careful to interpret insofar as possible his neighborís thoughts, words, and deeds in a favorable way: "Every good Christian ought to be more ready to give a favorable interpretation to anotherís statement than to condemn it. But if he cannot do so, let him ask how the other understands it. And if the latter understands it badly, let the former correct him with love. If that does not suffice, let the Christian try all suitable ways to bring the other to a correct interpretation so that he may be saved" (CCC 2478, cf. St. Ignatius, Spiritual Exercises 22).
I basically agree with what you say and that disturbs me. I have slapped myself three times already.
William

Birmingham, AL

#303 Jul 20, 2013
"Maybe you can tell us if a adulterer or homosexual who continues in their lifestyle and even claims it is not sin will be saved? Lets even alter the question slightly and have two slightly different situations. Is a adulterer or homosexual who continues in their lifestyle knowing it is sin, saved? What will be the end of individuals in these two situations according to these verses of Paul?"

Who has ever "cleaned up their flesh" to the point that they can please God with their flesh? Homesexual or heterosexual. Anybody.

Name one person from the Bible or anywhere else that has been able to do it. Just one.

Having trouble?

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#304 Jul 20, 2013
Anonymous Proxy wrote:
Sorry but a Sodomite is no more a homosexual than an effeminate male is a homosexual.
Anomalous Proxy

Chicago, IL

#305 Jul 20, 2013
William wrote:
"Maybe you can tell us if a adulterer or homosexual who continues in their lifestyle and even claims it is not sin will be saved? Lets even alter the question slightly and have two slightly different situations. Is a adulterer or homosexual who continues in their lifestyle knowing it is sin, saved? What will be the end of individuals in these two situations according to these verses of Paul?"
Who has ever "cleaned up their flesh" to the point that they can please God with their flesh? Homesexual or heterosexual. Anybody.
Name one person from the Bible or anywhere else that has been able to do it. Just one.
Having trouble?
I am not the one having trouble with the question. It was asked to you and I don't see an answer.
William

Birmingham, AL

#306 Jul 20, 2013
In thought, word, and deed, WHO has ever been able to clean up their flesh so that they can "please God" by "stopping sinning?"

Have you?

Let's focus on YOU for a minute, and not some random homosexual. Have YOU been able to "clean your flesh" up so that you can please God, based on what Paul said, or what Jesus said, or what any author of any book of the Bible said?
Anomalous Proxy

Chicago, IL

#307 Jul 20, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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Sorry but a Sodomite is no more a homosexual than an effeminate male is a homosexual.
And I say, duhhhh!!

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