Anonymous Proxy

Germany

#246 Jul 18, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
<quoted text>
It is interesting to note there will be very very few heterosexuals in the Kingdom of God given their innate propensity toward fornication and adultery.
This sounds like a defense of homosexuality after all homo not hereto is the subject being discussed. True adulterers will not enter in. Zero homosexuals would be likely and a decent percentage of (faithful to their spouse) Protestants would be present in the kingdom, at least the scriptures would seem to indicate that. It does not fair well for the Catholic altar boy loving priests does it?
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually: are you not interpreting that "effeminate" means homosexual people even though the dictionary disagrees?
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
<quoted text>
You are re-enforcing my point by showing the same verse to SOMETIMES mention homosexual people and SOMETIMES vaguely refer to people who could be homosexual or maybe not..
Anonymous Proxy

Germany

#247 Jul 18, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually: are you not interpreting that "effeminate" means homosexual people even though the dictionary disagrees?
effeminate is a translation of the greek word "malakos"

Thayer Definition: malakos
1) soft, soft to the touch
2) metaphorically in a bad sense
2a) effeminate
2a1) of a catamite
2a2) of a boy kept for homosexual relations with a man
2a3) of a male who submits his body to unnatural lewdness
2a4) of a male prostitute

It is describing the passive partner in a homosexual act or the partner that allows themselves used as a woman. Basically lesbians operate the same way. If you observe lesbian couples it is obvious one assumes the role of a woman and the other the role of a man or "Butch". The thing about same sex relations is they have one partner in a relationship assume the role of the opposite sex many times. Why not just marry the opposite sex? duhhhh!!!
Anonymous Proxy

Germany

#248 Jul 18, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
<quoted text>
You are re-enforcing my point by showing the same verse to SOMETIMES mention homosexual people and SOMETIMES vaguely refer to people who could be homosexual or maybe not..
Well duhhhh!!! again. In every verse there in nothing vague. Homosexual acts are condemned in every translation.BTW the previous sentence was my point.

(ESV) Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,

(GW) Don't you know that wicked people won't inherit the kingdom of God? Stop deceiving yourselves! People who continue to commit sexual sins, who worship false gods, those who commit adultery, homosexuals,

(LEB) Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Neither sexually immoral people, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor passive homosexual partners, nor dominant homosexual partners,

(Murdock) Or do ye not know, that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not mistake; neither whoremongers, nor idol-worshippers, nor adulterers, nor debauchers, nor liers with males,

(RV) Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men,

(WNT) Do you not know that unrighteous men will not inherit God's Kingdom? Cherish no delusion here. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor any who are guilty of unnatural crime,

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#249 Jul 18, 2013
Anonymous Proxy wrote:
Sorry, but effeminate has NOTHING to do with homosexuality........there are plenty of effeminate men who are NOT Gay in any way!!!
Anonymous Proxy

Manassas, VA

#250 Jul 18, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, but effeminate has NOTHING to do with homosexuality........there are plenty of effeminate men who are NOT Gay in any way!!!
Who cares? There are plenty who are gay and you might be more familiar with the term pansies or fairies. There are some terms I do not want to use here but feel free to let your mind go there if you wish. I have found your posts to be less than credible. This one is no different.
Anonymous Proxy

Manassas, VA

#251 Jul 18, 2013


Note the footnote in the NASB translation. Everybody else can get it why can't you queers? It i stalking about homosexual relationships.
1Cr 6:9
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor (A)effeminate, nor homosexuals,

(A)(6:9) I.e. effeminate by perversion
Anonymous Proxy

Manassas, VA

#252 Jul 18, 2013
It is talking about homosexual relationships.

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#253 Jul 18, 2013
killedjoe wrote:
<quoted text> Here a point of mistranslation, from the greek language. When Jesus was born we are taught that the angels appeared to the shepards in the field and announce "Peace on earth, good will toward men for we have great tidings". In the language that the Apostles spoke it saying is, "Peace on earth to men of good will, for we have great tidings." If the bible says we are not to get involved with star readings and the occult, then why is they are star in the heavens when jesus was born.
OK killedjoe - we have strayed very far from the topic of this thread: homosexuality. I am interested but confused about what you are speaking of.

I have created a discussion in this forum entitled: E=MC2 and I was hoping we could take this discussion about God and Science to that thread, OK? I am interested in what you are saying, but I want to take time to read your Bible references and maybe better understand what you are telling me. You said that E=MC2 was an important concept, so maybe you could start there. I don't mean for you to have to repeat what you have already said - I just haven't been able to follow you very well so far.

However, since you are here, perhaps you could elaborate about this:

How do you feel about homosexuality?

How do your religious beliefs affect your opinion of homosexuality?

Do you think that homosexual lifestyles will be accepted and honored throughout the US?

Do you support gay rights?

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#254 Jul 18, 2013
Anonymous Proxy wrote:
<quoted text>Who cares? There are plenty who are gay and you might be more familiar with the term pansies or fairies. There are some terms I do not want to use here but feel free to let your mind go there if you wish. I have found your posts to be less than credible. This one is no different.
Prove it.......there is nothing wrong with being effeminate or masculine in appearance.......that's just how some people are created and it has NOTHING to do with their sexual orientation!!!

In fact all you are doing is putting out the old stereotypical image and that is so BS it's not even funny!!!

Yea, whatever "doc"........I'm not the one hiding behind some anonymous proxy......lol!!!

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#255 Jul 18, 2013
Anonymous Proxy wrote:
Note the footnote in the NASB translation.
So, you are using a bastardized version of the bible to make a point.......sorry, any bible that actually uses the word "HOMOSEXUAL" in it has violated Revelations 22:18-19!!!
Anonymous Proxy

Manassas, VA

#256 Jul 18, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
<quoted text>
Prove it.......there is nothing wrong with being effeminate or masculine in appearance.......that's just how some people are created and it has NOTHING to do with their sexual orientation!!!
In fact all you are doing is putting out the old stereotypical image and that is so BS it's not even funny!!!
Yea, whatever "doc"........I'm not the one hiding behind some anonymous proxy......lol!!!
You can't get around the Greek word and the very explicit meaning of it. It is the passive male partner. The one who plays the feminine role of a woman. How perverted is this? Just use a woman as it was intended,duhhhh!!! Same thing with lesbians and the butch role. Just get yourself a man as God intended.

Thayer Definition: malakos
1) soft, soft to the touch
2) metaphorically in a bad sense
2a) effeminate
2a1) of a catamite
2a2) of a boy kept for homosexual relations with a man
2a3) of a male who submits his body to unnatural lewdness
2a4) of a male prostitute
Anonymous Proxy

Manassas, VA

#257 Jul 18, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
<quoted text>
So, you are using a bastardized version of the bible to make a point.......sorry, any bible that actually uses the word "HOMOSEXUAL" in it has violated Revelations 22:18-19!!!
You are quite the bible scholar I see. I bet you spend a lot of time studying it.
Anonymous Proxy

Manassas, VA

#258 Jul 18, 2013
Gay Marriage- they have to have a surrogate if they are males to have any resemblance of producing children. They role play again because they can in no way reproduce. They they say it is our child trying to link it to their pretend marriage,lol. They claim both are fathers I guess since neither can be a mother.

Then along comes the two lesbians pretending to have children. They find a man who will donate sperm and then artificially inseminate one of the pretenders. then they act as if the child is a product of their marriage. I have no clue whether the call themselves both mother or not but only one can be mother and neither can be father. PURE PERVERSION.

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#259 Jul 18, 2013
Anonymous Proxy wrote:
It doesn't matter what you believe the translation means......it DOESN'T mean that in our definition of the word and it's not in a Thesaurus as being used to mean homosexual either.

Sorry, but God did not create me to be with a man.......if He did, I'd have been heterosexual and I'm not.

You want to stereotype certain types of men and ya can't.......because it's incorrect!!!

I know masculine Gay men who are with other masculine Gay men......I know plenty of feminine Lesbians who are with other feminine Lesbians.......it's not about role playing.....neither my wife or I play the "male" in our marriage......we are both women and we share the household duties......but somehow you just can't accept that.......and that would be your issue!!!

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#260 Jul 18, 2013
Anonymous Proxy wrote:
<quoted text>You are quite the bible scholar I see. I bet you spend a lot of time studying it.
I can read and my wife has studied the bible when she became an Associate Pastor........and there are currently 88 different versions of the bible.....I wonder which one is the "TRUE" bible and supposedly the word of God!!!

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#261 Jul 18, 2013
Anonymous Proxy wrote:
Gay Marriage- they have to have a surrogate if they are males to have any resemblance of producing children. They role play again because they can in no way reproduce. They they say it is our child trying to link it to their pretend marriage,lol. They claim both are fathers I guess since neither can be a mother.
Then along comes the two lesbians pretending to have children. They find a man who will donate sperm and then artificially inseminate one of the pretenders. then they act as if the child is a product of their marriage. I have no clue whether the call themselves both mother or not but only one can be mother and neither can be father. PURE PERVERSION.
Why are you so angry? You are mocking many more people than just homosexual ones. Most adopted children are happy to have a substitute parent in place of their biological parent who was unable to care for them. It is OK for someone other than the biological parent to raise a child, regardless of that person's gender. It is perversion for 2 sisters to co-exist and raise a child together? I have a friend who's sister lost her husband and now she, her sister, and her mother raise her child together. It's the best thing for the child, even though there are no men that live in the home. This would be similar to a lesbian couple raising a child together with one difference - the lesbian couple's situation is a commitment to co-parent a child throughout its life while my friend's situation is more temporary - it is likely that her sister or she will leave the home and start a family elsewhere with a man. The lesbian's situation is actually a more stable home-life than the 3-generation family, since it is committed to permanence. Why would you be disgusted about people caring enough for a child to raise and support it regardless of the child's DNA?

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#262 Jul 18, 2013
Anonymous Proxy wrote:
<quoted text>Who cares? There are plenty who are gay and you might be more familiar with the term pansies or fairies. There are some terms I do not want to use here but feel free to let your mind go there if you wish. I have found your posts to be less than credible. This one is no different.
This is the post where you started to become offensive. Why do you want to call gay people names like: pansies or fairies? You are very creative, can you think of a derogatory way to describe yourself? My mind feels free to think of some rotten ways to describe how you are acting - how about self-righteous or egotistical? I have found NorCal's posts to be nothing but credible - perhaps you should consider re-reading them.

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#263 Jul 18, 2013
Anonymous Proxy wrote:
Gay Marriage- they have to have a surrogate if they are males to have any resemblance of producing children. They role play again because they can in no way reproduce. They they say it is our child trying to link it to their pretend marriage,lol. They claim both are fathers I guess since neither can be a mother.
Then along comes the two lesbians pretending to have children. They find a man who will donate sperm and then artificially inseminate one of the pretenders. then they act as if the child is a product of their marriage. I have no clue whether the call themselves both mother or not but only one can be mother and neither can be father. PURE PERVERSION.
First off......procreation is NOT required by any couple in order to get married.

Secondly.......it matters not what 2 Gay men need to do in order to have a child and family.......heterosexual couples who can't naturally conceive between them for whatever reason also use sperm donated or a surrogate.....I don't see you bitoching about them.......wonder why?

Thirdly........it is true that currently Lesbians need donated sperm from a sperm bank or a male friend.....again, how they mange to create a life is NOT your business.......oh and there is currently research being done with stem cells that have been changed into sperm.....so in the future, 2 Lesbians can be biologically parents to their own child:-)

If there are 2 men......they are both referred to as the father's.......the child may call one daddy and the other pappa.....but that is up to them and none of your business!!!

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#264 Jul 18, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
<quoted text>
This is the post where you started to become offensive. Why do you want to call gay people names like: pansies or fairies? You are very creative, can you think of a derogatory way to describe yourself? My mind feels free to think of some rotten ways to describe how you are acting - how about self-righteous or egotistical? I have found NorCal's posts to be nothing but credible - perhaps you should consider re-reading them.
That poster is rather incapable of being nice or having a discussion......and again, every time the marriage debate comes up........so does the procreation issue and yet, there are many opposite-sex couples who are married all the time who can't have children because they are infertile or sterile or just past the childbearing age......NO ONE wants to prevent them from getting married!!!
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#265 Jul 19, 2013
Anonymous Proxy wrote:
It is talking about homosexual relationships.
My take was that it meant things like 'cross dressers'...?
'effeminate'

Does it ever make you wonder how, if there is no marriage in heaven, why sexuality could be a concern? There must be more to know? Just wondering. LDS have a systematic theology that would explain it, but what is the Catholic or Evangelical/Protestant viewpoint? CoC never touched it with a 100' pole - so to speak...

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