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Obedience Is it part of Salvation or a result of?

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#1 Jul 31, 2012
I thought I would let some of you really give us the low down on obedience and Salvation. State up front if you believe Obedience is necessary for Salvation. Then post why you think it is or not.

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#2 Jul 31, 2012
The crowd ask Peter What shall we "do"

Peter said:

a. do nothing
b. have faith alone
c. repent and be baptized

Seems obvious that we DO something. Perhaps Bobby can explain Peters command away though. We shall see.

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#3 Jul 31, 2012
Randell Craiger wrote:
The crowd ask Peter What shall we "do"
Peter said:
a. do nothing
b. have faith alone
c. repent and be baptized
Seems obvious that we DO something. Perhaps Bobby can explain Peters command away though. We shall see.
5:52pm
7-31-12
That's a test that several on here will fail miserably. I hope you grade on the curve. LOL! HAHAHA!

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#4 Aug 1, 2012
SeekingWanderer wrote:
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That's a test that several on here will fail miserably. I hope you grade on the curve. LOL! HAHAHA!
For everybody's sake, I hope "God" grades on the curve. Perhaps the curve being the work of Jesus ;-)

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#5 Aug 1, 2012
Has anyone the courage to stand up and say that not one ounce of obedience of mankind is not needed for salvation. Step up you calvinist.

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#6 Aug 1, 2012
JustChristian wrote:
Has anyone the courage to stand up and say that not one ounce of obedience of mankind is not needed for salvation. Step up you calvinist.
If they truly believe like the stuff I found and posted in the other thread, then they cannot do it.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#7 Aug 1, 2012
Obedience Is it part of Salvation or a result of?

Neither, salvation is a result of God's grace through man's faith in the risen Christ.

Obedience is required to satisfy the demands of the law-Jesus obedience paid the price required.

Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

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#8 Aug 1, 2012
Bobby wrote:
Obedience Is it part of Salvation or a result of?
Neither, salvation is a result of God's grace through man's faith in the risen Christ.
Obedience is required to satisfy the demands of the law-Jesus obedience paid the price required.
Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.
Is mans faith obedience on mans part?

Since: Jul 12

Cleveland, GA

#9 Aug 1, 2012
Randell Craiger wrote:
The crowd ask Peter What shall we "do"
Peter said:
a. do nothing
b. have faith alone
c. repent and be baptized
Seems obvious that we DO something. Perhaps Bobby can explain Peters command away though. We shall see.
5:52pm
7-31-12
Maybe you should have put a:

d. Both a and b

These posters seem to have an issue with how men are saved. Some say "faith only", then say we do nothing for salvation, yet then say we have to have faith in Christ. How can one have faith when they can do nothing for salvation? Such nonsense.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#10 Aug 2, 2012
NG Dave wrote:
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Maybe you should have put a:
d. Both a and b
These posters seem to have an issue with how men are saved. Some say "faith only", then say we do nothing for salvation, yet then say we have to have faith in Christ. How can one have faith when they can do nothing for salvation? Such nonsense.
Then when the new believer asks for water baptism the coc feel they must quiz his heart to make sure he believes that is how he contacts the blood of Christ, an un-biblical term. Then when the baptism takes place every part of his body must be completely covered in water-all at the same time. I remember a time when the coc was trying to water baptize a very large man (house bound)in a bath tub, they could not get all of him under the water at the same time. So they decided to go home and figure out another plan.

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#11 Aug 2, 2012
Bobby wrote:
Obedience Is it part of Salvation or a result of?
Neither, salvation is a result of God's grace through man's faith in the risen Christ.
Obedience is required to satisfy the demands of the law-Jesus obedience paid the price required.
Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.
Tell me about this verse please. Nope dont tell me just accept it as written.

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22 Having purified your souls by your obedience to the truth for a sincere brotherly love, love one another earnestly from a pure heart,

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#12 Aug 2, 2012
Bobby wrote:
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Then when the new believer asks for water baptism the coc feel they must quiz his heart to make sure he believes that is how he contacts the blood of Christ, an un-biblical term. Then when the baptism takes place every part of his body must be completely covered in water-all at the same time. I remember a time when the coc was trying to water baptize a very large man (house bound)in a bath tub, they could not get all of him under the water at the same time. So they decided to go home and figure out another plan.
You mean quiz him the way Phillip did the Ethiopian? Yep I still do that.

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#13 Aug 2, 2012
Bobby wrote:
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Then when the new believer asks for water baptism the coc feel they must quiz his heart to make sure he believes that is how he contacts the blood of Christ, an un-biblical term. Then when the baptism takes place every part of his body must be completely covered in water-all at the same time. I remember a time when the coc was trying to water baptize a very large man (house bound)in a bath tub, they could not get all of him under the water at the same time. So they decided to go home and figure out another plan.
Yep thats what a burial is a complete covering.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#14 Aug 2, 2012
JustChristian wrote:
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Tell me about this verse please. Nope dont tell me just accept it as written.
I peter 1
22 Having purified your souls by your obedience to the truth for a sincere brotherly love, love one another earnestly from a pure heart,
Thanks, good message, we need more of it. It is speaking to believers not heathens.

The entire OT law was encapsulated in one command “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it:‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

We might do good to work on this aspect of love thy neighbor. It seems to me that some coc only have the capacity to love others in the coc and hate those evil denominations.

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#15 Aug 2, 2012
Bobby wrote:
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Then when the new believer asks for water baptism the coc feel they must quiz his heart to make sure he believes that is how he contacts the blood of Christ, an un-biblical term. Then when the baptism takes place every part of his body must be completely covered in water-all at the same time. I remember a time when the coc was trying to water baptize a very large man (house bound)in a bath tub, they could not get all of him under the water at the same time. So they decided to go home and figure out another plan.
So what's wrong with that? When you literally bury a person who is dead, do you leave their arms, legs, whatever sticking out of the ground like a petunia or something? We know that baptism is representative of death, burial, and resurrection, so what percentage of the body is it okay to leave sticking out of the ground when you bury someone? It's a good thing you don't own a funeral home with it's own plots, because I'd hate to see the shoddy work you'd do burying the people in the ground. YIKES! LOL!

Besides, if a person doesn't have to be completely immersed, and there it's okay to leave part of them out of the water, why can't you just sprinkle them like the RCC does? Same thing, right?

Sadly for you, you have cultivated a heart of rebellion against anything having to do with obedience, and now that heart of rebellion has turned you into a false teacher whose doctrine doesn't stand the test of Bible.
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#16 Aug 2, 2012
JustChristian wrote:
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You mean quiz him the way Phillip did the Ethiopian? Yep I still do that.
Where does the bible say that we contact the blood of Christ in water baptism?

The bible is clear that we are saved by the shed blood of Christ. Many coc preachers in times past tried their best to make water the contact point for receiving the blood. One thing is clear, they go to any length to support baptismal regeneration. There was even the teaching that Christ's blood flowed into all the water on earth in tiny particles so that when we are water baptized we automatically contacted the blood. Looks to me that we have all contacted the blood of Christ, believers and unbelievers, if that was the case.

Why not just accept that we are saved by the blood of Christ and not the water. Then go be water baptized and get on with living for Christ.

I have been using the word/name Christ more than Jesus lately. I think the term is more expressive of who Jesus is, he is the messiah, the Christ child, the suffering one who from the beginning was chosen to be our redeemer.

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#17 Aug 2, 2012
Bobby wrote:
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Thanks, good message, we need more of it. It is speaking to believers not heathens.
The entire OT law was encapsulated in one command “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it:‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
We might do good to work on this aspect of love thy neighbor. It seems to me that some coc only have the capacity to love others in the coc and hate those evil denominations.
Lets look again since you avoided the obvious

22 Having purified your souls by your obedience to the truth for a sincere brotherly love, love one another earnestly from a pure heart,

Purified in the past your souls by what????

Purified is equal to salvation Yes or No?

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#18 Aug 2, 2012
Bobby wrote:
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Why not just accept that we are saved by the blood of Christ and not the water. Then go be water baptized and get on with living for Christ.
I have been using the word/name Christ more than Jesus lately. I think the term is more expressive of who Jesus is, he is the messiah, the Christ child, the suffering one who from the beginning was chosen to be our redeemer.
The bible says no where that a person is saved and then is water baptized.

The Bible does say however that baptism:
Puts you in Christ, Saves you, washes you clean, Remits your sins, Causes you to be joyous, Adds you to his family,

Now how can this be done after salvation? The bible say it does not happen that way. Baptism is always Always listed prior to salvation.

Saying one is saved prior to baptism would also make it true that Being saved happen prior to repentance, or belief and I bet you wont claim that.:)

I like each new step you take to prove your false teaching on baptism because it gives another chance for those reading to learn the truth. Keep it up please.

Since: Jul 12

Cleveland, GA

#19 Aug 2, 2012
JustChristian wrote:
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The bible says no where that a person is saved and then is water baptized.
The Bible does say however that baptism:
Puts you in Christ, Saves you, washes you clean, Remits your sins, Causes you to be joyous, Adds you to his family,
Now how can this be done after salvation? The bible say it does not happen that way. Baptism is always Always listed prior to salvation.
Saying one is saved prior to baptism would also make it true that Being saved happen prior to repentance, or belief and I bet you wont claim that.:)
I like each new step you take to prove your false teaching on baptism because it gives another chance for those reading to learn the truth. Keep it up please.
Agree with all. Hey JustChristian, I wonder what happened to that guy who got on here one time and said you were weak or soft? My opinion, you seem pretty solid in the faith.
nobody

Plummers Landing, KY

#20 Aug 2, 2012
JustChristian wrote:
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The bible says no where that a person is saved and then is water baptized.
1Jn 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Act 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
Act 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
Act 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
YES, it certainly seems to say after you are saved you may be baptized..

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