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Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#345 May 8, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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I went to a catholic church once and they used instruments.
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Of course we do, when we have somebody to play them. I just explained a little history about the church and instruments in the liturgy.
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#346 May 8, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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I must be a little dense on what you are saying.
The OT Jews used musical instruments in their worship.
The Early Christian Church Fathers was against instruments some think originally to put a separation to Jewish worship and then because of social norms.
Organ music eventually began when that music was began to be used in Operas and the other acceptable performing arts.
Other instruments were then added.
Agree. There's no apostolic teaching against instrumental music. Indeed, the issues were to not Judaize, then social norms and not adopting pagan practices. History does not bear out the non-instrumentals reasons. Many may not have practiced using instruments (some did according to some sources), but it wasn't from apostolic teaching or command.

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#347 May 9, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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Agree. There's no apostolic teaching against instrumental music. Indeed, the issues were to not Judaize, then social norms and not adopting pagan practices. History does not bear out the non-instrumentals reasons. Many may not have practiced using instruments (some did according to some sources), but it wasn't from apostolic teaching or command.
Whom else would have had the authority to cause those groups to stop worshiping with the instrument? Since the apostles did the teaching of the time and that practice stopped they must have been wrong in stopping it.
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#348 May 9, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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Whom else would have had the authority to cause those groups to stop worshiping with the instrument? Since the apostles did the teaching of the time and that practice stopped they must have been wrong in stopping it.
There's no record from the scriptures that the apostles stopped the use of instruments. Mike told the reasons why it stopped-not to appear to Judaize, cultural norms, etc.

Who else had authority? "And He gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers..." These groups have delegated authority from God. Evangelists and elders still exist today. And they all had the same authority-delegated from God.

Why does it also have to mean "someone has to be wrong in stopping it"? Instrumental music or non instrumental is not a must/must not deal. The only historical evidence there is comes from Mike's early church fathers, and scriptural arguments were not the reasons behind going n/i. Their arguments differ from those given today.

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#349 May 9, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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There's no record from the scriptures that the apostles stopped the use of instruments. Mike told the reasons why it stopped-not to appear to Judaize, cultural norms, etc.
Who else had authority? "And He gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers..." These groups have delegated authority from God. Evangelists and elders still exist today. And they all had the same authority-delegated from God.
Why does it also have to mean "someone has to be wrong in stopping it"? Instrumental music or non instrumental is not a must/must not deal. The only historical evidence there is comes from Mike's early church fathers, and scriptural arguments were not the reasons behind going n/i. Their arguments differ from those given today.
So when the first century church did not use the instrument (confirmed by true history not gossip) They were now doing so without the authority of the apostles whom were given the commission to guide these early christians, they were wrong. Hmmmm
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#350 May 9, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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So when the first century church did not use the instrument (confirmed by true history not gossip) They were now doing so without the authority of the apostles whom were given the commission to guide these early christians, they were wrong. Hmmmm
NOT confirmed by "true history" as some have said that the early greek disciples did use, apostles never condemned their use, use of psalms, etc. Posted that from bible.ca a long time ago. Conflicting reports of when they were instituted, people railing against them from the early days, etc point to the idea that some were in fact using them. Second century and later arguments are different from modern arguments. Disciples in first century in the temple where instruments were used.

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#351 May 9, 2013
How does my picking and strumming make singing a bad thang? I dont get this. Dave p makes point that I think is good. If no persons were using music in worship why was they fussing bout it? Why fuss bout something nobody is doing.

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#352 May 13, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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NOT confirmed by "true history" as some have said that the early greek disciples did use, apostles never condemned their use, use of psalms, etc. Posted that from bible.ca a long time ago. Conflicting reports of when they were instituted, people railing against them from the early days, etc point to the idea that some were in fact using them. Second century and later arguments are different from modern arguments. Disciples in first century in the temple where instruments were used.
Yes it is Im sorry to say Historical that the early church, not the temple was void of the instrument.
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#353 May 13, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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Yes it is Im sorry to say Historical that the early church, not the temple was void of the instrument.
Then the early church should have stayed out of the temple, away from that strange fire-but they did not. Never mind the historians who said the early Greek believers did use some; never mind what psalms were; never mind that so many people felt the need to argue against it; never mind that ancient arguments against the instrument are different than those used today. Never mind the lack of Bible prohibiting instrumental music.

Again, if its your preference, thats ok. No problem with me. Don't make it a "law" when God has not, especially when He had given His blessing before.

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#354 May 13, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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Then the early church should have stayed out of the temple, away from that strange fire-but they did not. Never mind the historians who said the early Greek believers did use some; never mind what psalms were; never mind that so many people felt the need to argue against it; never mind that ancient arguments against the instrument are different than those used today. Never mind the lack of Bible prohibiting instrumental music.
Again, if its your preference, thats ok. No problem with me. Don't make it a "law" when God has not, especially when He had given His blessing before.
If they were in the temple, tell us what day that would have been and under what law the temple was still being used. Also tell us why after the catholic churches introduced the instrument into worship and those that left the RCC church for reformation refused to use the instrument. I know this is history you might not believe it.
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#355 May 13, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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If they were in the temple, tell us what day that would have been and under what law the temple was still being used. Also tell us why after the catholic churches introduced the instrument into worship and those that left the RCC church for reformation refused to use the instrument. I know this is history you might not believe it.
The first converts were in the temple daily according to Acts 2.
You can answer some questions instead of constantly asking them-
*When did God declare instruments were no longer acceptable and were now considered sin to use in praise of Him?
*Why do you refuse to consider that some historians have said that early greek believers used the instrument? And why all the fuss if something is not happening?
*Why do your reasons for rejecting the instrument differ from those in the second century and later?
Bobby

Fort Worth, TX

#356 May 14, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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The first converts were in the temple daily according to Acts 2.
You can answer some questions instead of constantly asking them-
*When did God declare instruments were no longer acceptable and were now considered sin to use in praise of Him?
*Why do you refuse to consider that some historians have said that early greek believers used the instrument? And why all the fuss if something is not happening?
*Why do your reasons for rejecting the instrument differ from those in the second century and later?
The issue of instruments has never been an issue with me. I just accepted the coc version because singing only is also acceptable to God.

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#357 May 14, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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The first converts were in the temple daily according to Acts 2.
You can answer some questions instead of constantly asking them-
*When did God declare instruments were no longer acceptable and were now considered sin to use in praise of Him?
*Why do you refuse to consider that some historians have said that early greek believers used the instrument? And why all the fuss if something is not happening?
*Why do your reasons for rejecting the instrument differ from those in the second century and later?
I agree. JC dodges these questions and comes backs with questions. Maybe he will answer them today :-)

1. When did God declare instruments were no longer acceptable and were now considered sin to use in praise of Him?

2. Why do you refuse to consider that some historians have said that early Greek believers used the instrument?

3. Why all the fuss if something is not happening?

4. Why do your reasons for rejecting the instrument differ from those in the second century and later?
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#358 May 14, 2013
We know that instruments performed an important function in the Hebrew temple service and in the ceremonies of the Greeks. At this point, however, a break was made with all previous practice, and although the lyre and flute were sometimes employed by the Greek converts, as a general rule the use of instruments in worship was condemned."
Edward Dickinson, Music in the History of the Western Church, p. 54, 55)

From bible.ca
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#359 May 14, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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The issue of instruments has never been an issue with me. I just accepted the coc version because singing only is also acceptable to God.
Agree. Have always felt the same way.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#360 May 14, 2013
http://www.biblelessons.com/origins.html

An interesting lesson from a coc discussing in part how Jewish synagogue practice influenced early church services.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#361 May 14, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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Agree. Have always felt the same way.
Our small Parish has been singing without instruments for 4 months now. Our music minister moved and its hard to find one in the Bible Belt out in the country. She had the voice of an Angel, too.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#362 May 14, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Our small Parish has been singing without instruments for 4 months now. Our music minister moved and its hard to find one in the Bible Belt out in the country. She had the voice of an Angel, too.
OMG Mike! Instrumental music, a music minister, and a woman at that? You are condemned LOL!

Just joking Mike. Some levity is always needed around here. I don't agree with you on much, but no need to be disagreeable. Here in NE KY the CC has the same problem. There are a few small parishes here and there in rural areas, many have trouble staying open or finding priests to come and serve.

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#363 May 15, 2013
Dave P wrote:
http://www.biblelessons.com/or igins.html
An interesting lesson from a coc discussing in part how Jewish synagogue practice influenced early church services.
Interesting link.

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#364 May 15, 2013
JesusCreed wrote:
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I agree. JC dodges these questions and comes backs with questions. Maybe he will answer them today :-)
1. When did God declare instruments were no longer acceptable and were now considered sin to use in praise of Him?
2. Why do you refuse to consider that some historians have said that early Greek believers used the instrument?
3. Why all the fuss if something is not happening?
4. Why do your reasons for rejecting the instrument differ from those in the second century and later?
This reason still answers all those human fancy questions.

The Apostles were guided in all truth and the singing with the instrument was not a command given but the singing without the instrument was given. Because one historical writer may have said the instrument was used, going against the rest of the historical accounts does not make your argument. Bobby answered the question with the most honesty when he said that singing without the instrument was for sure ok but with it was a personal choice. I dont like personal choices when it comes to the worship of God I like Gods advice on those areas. If the practice was never changed then it is wrong to not continue in it. Make a stand. I say NO to the instrument.

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