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Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#21 Jul 14, 2013
Dave P wrote:
*First, if collapse happens, it will not be limited to the US. Mutually Assured Destruction. When (not if) chaos begins, it will more than likely be the unreligious, the unspiritual people that revolt and riot. Some Christians may, but with churches having the ability to band together and help each other, they may be in better shape than the world. Move to Utah! LDS is loaded.
You are suggesting that a US economic collapse would cause a worldwide economic collapse - but that is not necessarily true. I suggest that the world economy will cause the US economy to collapse by withdrawing support on US dollars. Like: the Federal Reserve has been running a ponzie scheme every since the gold standard was dropped. The bubble will soon burst because, like all ponzie schemes, like check kiting, like embezzling money from a business - it only keeps working as long as there are MORE resources - more customers, more money to borrow, more "business" to do - we won't have enough customers around the world to do business with and our economy DEPENDS on it. So, OUR economy is collapsing - the rest of the world is busy covering their own butts and trying not to have to assume any of the loss that the US has to face. The US is the country with the worthless money - the rest of the world will figure out how to get around us.

Can you imagine a future where the US economy collapses, but someone figures out other ways to keep our humanity in control and productive while still respecting the Constitution and all (most) of the liberties and rights that we now enjoy? Do you see any alternative to our current monetary system?

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#22 Jul 14, 2013
Dave P wrote:
*Second, whoever has power and control when the collapse happens will not wait to see if the people will rise up or not. The power will control the military. Military will have the supplies, be in charge of humanitarian efforts. Military presence will be out front quickly, and ANY dissent will be shut down immediately.
Like "Red Dawn"? Your fears are exaggerated. Stop imagining Nazi Germany with police patrolling the streets - you are scaring yourself. I will admit that your scenario IS possible, but it is so beyond our current actuality, I have to just throw it in the pile of strange but possible things that could happen - there are so many others. Are you really convinced of this one?

Do you believe in "death before dishonor"?
Dave P wrote:
*Don't fear bondage from government? Japanese Americans being held in camps? FEMA camps being set up? Really, don't fear govt?
OK - I am relating to your FEMA reference. I have experienced a "disaster area" and have seen FEMA and the Red Cross take over the area to meet the needs of the displaced people. My husband's grandparents' home was destroyed by a flood that destroyed MANY homes, roads, and property - like Katrina or Sandy, but over a much smaller, less populated area - a natural disaster none the less. Campers and trailer parks popped up everywhere - FEMA provided the housing and most were temporary while others eventually became permanent. FEMA was the answer to many prayers of people who had lost everything they had ever owned. Do not FEAR FEMA - it is the government's avenue to provide for people after disasters - I have no idea how it can continue to provide help to everyone while natural disasters seem to be more and more frequent. I'm not suggesting that you put all your faith and trust in the government, but I'd like to imagine that the government's goal will STILL be to serve our population - not to capture and torture it.

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#23 Jul 14, 2013
Dave P wrote:
*Didn't say the end was starting now. Always a possibility. But looking down the road isn't hard to see what's shaping up.
I absolutely understand preparing for the worst. Don't forget that there are lots of degrees between religious freedom and religious persecution. You may not LIKE hiding your religious beliefs, but I think you would prefer to do that to being killed because of them. If you feel prepared for whatever may come - you should not feel panicked about it. Your alarm fuels other people's alarm - if you are a leader, it is your responsibility to remain calm and in control and to convince your subjects to act that way as well. You say you are not anxious about Muslims taking over the world, but you seem like you are.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#24 Jul 14, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
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You are suggesting that a US economic collapse would cause a worldwide economic collapse - but that is not necessarily true. I suggest that the world economy will cause the US economy to collapse by withdrawing support on US dollars. Like: the Federal Reserve has been running a ponzie scheme every since the gold standard was dropped. The bubble will soon burst because, like all ponzie schemes, like check kiting, like embezzling money from a business - it only keeps working as long as there are MORE resources - more customers, more money to borrow, more "business" to do - we won't have enough customers around the world to do business with and our economy DEPENDS on it. So, OUR economy is collapsing - the rest of the world is busy covering their own butts and trying not to have to assume any of the loss that the US has to face. The US is the country with the worthless money - the rest of the world will figure out how to get around us.
Can you imagine a future where the US economy collapses, but someone figures out other ways to keep our humanity in control and productive while still respecting the Constitution and all (most) of the liberties and rights that we now enjoy? Do you see any alternative to our current monetary system?
You think other countries' monetary systems are any better than ours? Read headlines all over the world. Ours may be in better shape than many- and that ain't saying much. Europe is a disaster. China is slowing down. Things are slowing here- my work has dropped significantly from last year.

Did you not read up on Mutually Assured Destruction? Basically it's an economic domino effect. Global economies were tied together after WW2, as a deterrent to war. If we destroy one country and their economy collapses, ours will follow suit was the thinking. What happens here does not happen in a vacuum. Just like Europe. If the European continent collapses, what happens to us? Why do you think Greece made headlines? It's Greece- really? But if our economic well being depends on some Mediterranean socialist utopia, you bet we care.

Do I think the US economy can collapse, yet the constitution be held together, and people remain peaceful? Not a chance. Too many examples of it not happening, people don't learn from mistakes. You can't even keep people in Oakland or Chicago from rioting about the verdict of a court case in Florida. Whoever has money has power. In many cases, it's bad people. Look over history at the results.

Given the track record, no reason to think now would be any different.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#25 Jul 14, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
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Like "Red Dawn"? Your fears are exaggerated. Stop imagining Nazi Germany with police patrolling the streets - you are scaring yourself. I will admit that your scenario IS possible, but it is so beyond our current actuality, I have to just throw it in the pile of strange but possible things that could happen - there are so many others. Are you really convinced of this one?
Do you believe in "death before dishonor"?
<quoted text>
OK - I am relating to your FEMA reference. I have experienced a "disaster area" and have seen FEMA and the Red Cross take over the area to meet the needs of the displaced people. My husband's grandparents' home was destroyed by a flood that destroyed MANY homes, roads, and property - like Katrina or Sandy, but over a much smaller, less populated area - a natural disaster none the less. Campers and trailer parks popped up everywhere - FEMA provided the housing and most were temporary while others eventually became permanent. FEMA was the answer to many prayers of people who had lost everything they had ever owned. Do not FEAR FEMA - it is the government's avenue to provide for people after disasters - I have no idea how it can continue to provide help to everyone while natural disasters seem to be more and more frequent. I'm not suggesting that you put all your faith and trust in the government, but I'd like to imagine that the government's goal will STILL be to serve our population - not to capture and torture it.
1. Watching Egypt?
2. Governments goal is to serve us? Hasn't been for at least 100 years. Now it's to make us dependent on them, keep them going and successful, feed the machine, etc.
3. Search FEMA camps.

DTA.

Are you one of those "it can't happen here people" or it won't happen here people?
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#26 Jul 14, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
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I absolutely understand preparing for the worst. Don't forget that there are lots of degrees between religious freedom and religious persecution. You may not LIKE hiding your religious beliefs, but I think you would prefer to do that to being killed because of them. If you feel prepared for whatever may come - you should not feel panicked about it. Your alarm fuels other people's alarm - if you are a leader, it is your responsibility to remain calm and in control and to convince your subjects to act that way as well. You say you are not anxious about Muslims taking over the world, but you seem like you are.
Any sane freedom and life loving person should not desire Muslims to be in control of our country. Anxious- no. Pray it doesn't happen- or it's become muslim or off with your head. That's a fact in many places. Research Dearborn, Michigan sometime and how things are going there.

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