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#395 Nov 18, 2013
William wrote:
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Probably not the best challenge for a Catholic to make, when talking about what's actually in scripture.
Perfect challenge for the Church. The Church owns the Bible and therefore the correct interpretation, and its the same on since AD 390.

How many times has just your interpretation changed ?

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#396 Nov 18, 2013
http://www.churches-of-christ.net/world/india...

This is for those who are ignorant of the international nature of God's church.

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#397 Nov 18, 2013
"The New Testament was not written all at once. The books that compose it appeared one after another in the space of fifty years, i.e. in the second half of the first century."

http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php...

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#398 Nov 18, 2013
William wrote:
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Probably not the best challenge for a Catholic to make, when talking about what's actually in scripture.
Now I'm thinking the fumes from vaporized muslims are the cause.

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#399 Nov 18, 2013
HEATH - 72 wrote:
"The New Testament was not written all at once. The books that compose it appeared one after another in the space of fifty years, i.e. in the second half of the first century."
http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php...
Thanks for this link. I trust you have learned something and now know that Mike and I are correct. What is not covered in this article is the lengthy process of elimination by which the infallible Ecumenical Councils of the Catholic Church arrived at the final list of 27 books.
William

Talladega, AL

#400 Nov 18, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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Now I'm thinking the fumes from vaporized muslims are the cause.
I used to run the A/C full blast. Them things get hot in the desert.

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#401 Nov 18, 2013
HEATH - 72 wrote:
http://www.churches-of-christ. net/world/india.html
This is for those who are ignorant of the international nature of God's church.
Hate to break the bad news but the Catholic Church beat you to India many centuries ago.

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#402 Nov 18, 2013
HEATH - 72 wrote:
http://www.churches-of-christ. net/world/india.html
This is for those who are ignorant of the international nature of God's church.
You didn't read the disclaimer. At least the website admits it is not accurate.

"Weigh the information gleaned through the use of this search engine carefully. Because it comes from so many different sources, we can not guarantee its correctness. Test the information for its correctness and suitability before you use it."

Lord have mercy. The COC has to use a amateur hour website to list a Church in India that has 0 members. Many on the list has 0 members.

There are more almost 3 times the number Catholics in the communist country of Vietnam than all of the COC members in the world, over half of which are in Tenn and Texas.
Dave P

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#403 Nov 19, 2013
One thing has got me to thinking- at what point in history did the first "average Joe, Bible believing" Christian pack his own personal Bible into his arms and carry it with him to church?

Did that happen in the first century? I seriously doubt it. If there was complete Biblical canons in the first century (the writings were complete), how many copies were there and who had them?

Or is it possibly true, that, even if all 27 NT books were complete, very few copies existed and more than likely, the church as an organism had them, not individuals?

For the catholic bashers out there, how do you see this playing out in history? Where is that idea wrong?

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#404 Nov 19, 2013
Dave P wrote:
One thing has got me to thinking- at what point in history did the first "average Joe, Bible believing" Christian pack his own personal Bible into his arms and carry it with him to church?
Did that happen in the first century? I seriously doubt it. If there was complete Biblical canons in the first century (the writings were complete), how many copies were there and who had them?
Or is it possibly true, that, even if all 27 NT books were complete, very few copies existed and more than likely, the church as an organism had them, not individuals?
For the catholic bashers out there, how do you see this playing out in history? Where is that idea wrong?
I have ask myself these questions. You arenít far from converting to the Catholic Church. One of my favorite debaters is James White, a Calvinist. In one debate, a Catholic Apologist ate him up on certain points. The whole Cannon/Bible debate raises many questions. I also have to confess Mike has a point when he has noted many times that Jesus never promised us a Bible to follow with PRIVATE interpretation. In fact, as bad as this may sound, the Bible, in the hands of everybody, has caused the countless sects/denominations we have today. Is this what God wanted? Us all to make up denomination after denomination based upon HOW WE UNDERSTAND the Bible?

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#405 Nov 19, 2013
Also, in the infancy of the Church, how did it survive without a Bible for so long? Oral messages from the Apostles, passed down Church to Church? Letters here and there? How? It is much to consider here. I am not attempting to throw out the Bible, but maybe we have made the Bible an object of worship. More bluntly, maybe we have made OUR UNDERSTANDING of the Bible an object of worship. It seems to me, our misunderstandings of SS have resulted in the MANY denominations today. Every single denomination rest upon its own understanding of Scripture. Is this what God planned? Did God plan such confusion? Surely God would know we all would not agree on SS.
Mike Peterson

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#406 Nov 19, 2013
JesusCreed wrote:
Also, in the infancy of the Church, how did it survive without a Bible for so long? Oral messages from the Apostles, passed down Church to Church? Letters here and there? How? It is much to consider here. I am not attempting to throw out the Bible, but maybe we have made the Bible an object of worship. More bluntly, maybe we have made OUR UNDERSTANDING of the Bible an object of worship. It seems to me, our misunderstandings of SS have resulted in the MANY denominations today. Every single denomination rest upon its own understanding of Scripture. Is this what God planned? Did God plan such confusion? Surely God would know we all would not agree on SS.
It is intended for instruction, meditation, spiritual reading, encouragement, devotion and , and serves as proof and testimony of the Church's doctrines and divine authority, but as a complete and exclusive guide to heaven in the hands of every man ---this it never was and never could be. The Bible in the Church; the Church before the Bible--- the Church the maker and interpreter of the Bible ---- that is right.

The Bible above the Church; the Bible independent of the Church, and the Bible only, the religion of Christians ---- that is wrong.

The first one is the Catholic position; the 2nd the Protestant.

From the book "WHERE WE GOT THE BIBLE" Henry Graham 1911

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#407 Nov 19, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks for this link. I trust you have learned something and now know that Mike and I are correct. What is not covered in this article is the lengthy process of elimination by which the infallible Ecumenical Councils of the Catholic Church arrived at the final list of 27 books.
The 27 books existed by the end of the first century.

Catholic sources admit that reality.

Arriving at a finale list did not bring the books into existence.

Simple logic.

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#408 Nov 19, 2013
Yes, false teachers have been in India for centuries.

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#409 Nov 19, 2013
Thanks to all for keeping this thread at the top.

:)

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#410 Nov 19, 2013
HEATH - 72 wrote:
Yes, false teachers have been in India for centuries.
Funny to see all those Church of Christ locations listed with 0 members!

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#411 Nov 19, 2013
HEATH - 72 wrote:
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The 27 books existed by the end of the first century.
Catholic sources admit that reality.
Arriving at a finale list did not bring the books into existence.
Simple logic.
Simple logic lands you on the idiot list. How about telling us how many folks had a copy of each one of the 27 at home on their bookshelf.

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#412 Nov 19, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
<quoted text>Simple logic lands you on the idiot list. How about telling us how many folks had a copy of each one of the 27 at home on their bookshelf.
Yes, because it's impossible to have 27 books in ones possession.

And if the CC was around in the first century then it DID have them all at one.

Hhhmmm

Now don't get mad and start cussing. You'll have to go to confession. ;)

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#413 Nov 19, 2013
So your alleged "pope Peter" could not get 27 books together?

Nor could alleged "pope Linas"???

Seriously?
Annoying Proxy

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#414 Nov 19, 2013
The Aramaic and Orthodox churches go back to the early church, have a canon of their own slightly different than the Catholics. They do not consider the Pope as the leader of the Christian church and why should they? The Catholics caused the East/West schism and most Orthodox consider them to be a different man than they, a different spirit.

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