Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#271 Nov 11, 2013
William wrote:
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It was Aliens, man.
Aliens.
Nah, that's Missler and the current Pope, not Jeffrey's;-)
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#272 Nov 11, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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The land? A nation? Look, this is very simple. In Romans 9-11, Paul clearly (for most of us) said that an Israelite was a matter of FAITH, not RACE. Not all of Israel are Israel, recall this?
This thing called Israel today is not the Israel of the Bible. Plus, I never said anything about God refusing Jews to reclaim the land. The ancient Jewish system has been fulfilled as is obsolete. The Jews were scattered, "Israel" in the Biblical sense is gone. The temple has been destroyed, and I do not believe it will ever be rebuilt. The Israel of today is a British-American Zionist man made creation. God allowed it, but it is not the supposed fulfillment of OT prophecy. Way out of context for that.
How is it possible that they were restored as a nation to the day prophecied as outlined in Grant Jeffery's book,'The Signature of God'?
2 things- one, I have no desire to read his book, seeing as how reading others has led you far astray. Two, what scriptures supposedly prophesy this? Odds are 100% that it is taken wildly out of context to make a prediction of 1948.
Paul, in Romans 9-11 makes distinction between Israel and the Gentiles. It's other places Paul says there is no difference between a Jew and Gentile. What did God say? What did Jesus say? Why was Jerusalem to be trodden down by the Gentiles for a certain time and then Israel to return to the land - that's what the prophecies are. Joel 2,3 being but one example, plus Isaiah and other Major and Minor prophets. Paul didn't know what he was talking about - just as when he said Abraham was justified by faith and the covenant passage isn't even the correct reference - no covenant to Israel was attributed to the passage he referred to. Or where he twists things around to say the Torah was given to someone other than the child of the promise to the child of the bondwoman. Paul takes us to be ignorant boobs without and Scripture to double check his references!

I'm not a fool for Paul any more. A fool for Jesus - yes. But a fool for Paul? I'll leave that to you guys if you love his word and pretend to think it nullifies the rest of the Holy Scripture.

Richie T

Since: Aug 12

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#273 Nov 11, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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Your little man made community was just invented a few generations ago. In a few more generations it will gone, a footnote in history.
The Church will still be here . Jesus promised that.
Yes, His True Church, not the RCC.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#274 Nov 11, 2013
The independent nation of Israel was declared on May 15th, 1948.



According to Jeffrey, the author of The Signature of God, the Bible gave the exact date for this event over 2000 years ago.



God told Ezekiel to make a model of Jerusalem as if it were under siege as a sign to Israel (Ezekiel 4:3).



Then the prophet was told that it would be 390 days before Israel becomes a nation. God says that day stands for year (4:6) so it is 390 years. Then he adds on forty days so it is 430 years in total.



Ezekiel was told to lie on his side for 390 days indicating the sufferings of Israel would be as long in years but to lie another forty days on another side to indicate Judah suffering for forty years. Jews belong to Judah but they have really suffered longer than Israel though he gives Israel a longer period and Judah a shorter.



Because God said in the Torah that Israel would be punished seven times over for its stubborn impenitence (Leviticus 26) and assuming that the Bible year is 360 days Jeffrey gets a total of 2483.8 of modern calendar years.



Ezekiel was counting from the time the Babylonian Captivity ended that is in the spring of 536 BC or 536.4 BC. There is no year zero so a year has to be left out so then he adds on 2483.8 of years which brings him to the 15th May 1948.



This is an amazing coincidence or so it seems for there are coincidences and there are manufactured ones. We are blind to how many tremendous coincidences happen every day.



But can we be sure that it is just a coincidence?

Since: Jun 11

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#275 Nov 11, 2013
Richie T wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, His True Church, not the RCC.
How about giving us the name and address of His True Church.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#276 Nov 11, 2013
My third copy of the book was loaned out and not returned yet... so the quote above may be incorrect? I thought somehow it was different number of days per each side, but this may be correct - we can check the passages to know. I've really got to stop loaning books!
William

Pell City, AL

#277 Nov 11, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
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I can tell that either you didn't read it or it was over your head.
What of your explaining that God failed to prevent Israel from becoming a nation again? For some reason that angers Catholics as much as it does Muslims...more evidence Islam was started by Jesuit Catholics to get control of Jerusalem.
Islam was not started by Jesuit Catholics to get control of Jerusalem.

If that were the case, then they failed miserably.
William

Pell City, AL

#278 Nov 11, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
The independent nation of Israel was declared on May 15th, 1948.
According to Jeffrey, the author of The Signature of God, the Bible gave the exact date for this event over 2000 years ago.
God told Ezekiel to make a model of Jerusalem as if it were under siege as a sign to Israel (Ezekiel 4:3).
Then the prophet was told that it would be 390 days before Israel becomes a nation. God says that day stands for year (4:6) so it is 390 years. Then he adds on forty days so it is 430 years in total.
Ezekiel was told to lie on his side for 390 days indicating the sufferings of Israel would be as long in years but to lie another forty days on another side to indicate Judah suffering for forty years. Jews belong to Judah but they have really suffered longer than Israel though he gives Israel a longer period and Judah a shorter.
Because God said in the Torah that Israel would be punished seven times over for its stubborn impenitence (Leviticus 26) and assuming that the Bible year is 360 days Jeffrey gets a total of 2483.8 of modern calendar years.
Ezekiel was counting from the time the Babylonian Captivity ended that is in the spring of 536 BC or 536.4 BC. There is no year zero so a year has to be left out so then he adds on 2483.8 of years which brings him to the 15th May 1948.
This is an amazing coincidence or so it seems for there are coincidences and there are manufactured ones. We are blind to how many tremendous coincidences happen every day.
But can we be sure that it is just a coincidence?
How can the OT give "an exact date" for anything, when the Jewish lunar calendar and the Gregorian calendar in use today don't line up whatsoever.

Trying to "date" most anything scripturally is futile, but astronomical data regarding the events around the crucifixion put it in the AD 30-33 timeframe with a pretty chance of accuracy. But no one can really say for sure.

Richie T

Since: Aug 12

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#279 Nov 11, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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How about giving us the name and address of His True Church.
Now you are on to something. There is no set address, building, city or organization. His True Church is made up of all believers regardless of denomination. It s a very fluid group that no one can pin down or confine per se. "Church" came from the Greek word "Ekklesia." Ekklesia is translated "Assembly summoned by a crier." The RCC manipulated the term "church" for their own selfish gain.

Richie T

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#280 Nov 11, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
The independent nation of Israel was declared on May 15th, 1948.
According to Jeffrey, the author of The Signature of God, the Bible gave the exact date for this event over 2000 years ago.
God told Ezekiel to make a model of Jerusalem as if it were under siege as a sign to Israel (Ezekiel 4:3).
Then the prophet was told that it would be 390 days before Israel becomes a nation. God says that day stands for year (4:6) so it is 390 years. Then he adds on forty days so it is 430 years in total.
Ezekiel was told to lie on his side for 390 days indicating the sufferings of Israel would be as long in years but to lie another forty days on another side to indicate Judah suffering for forty years. Jews belong to Judah but they have really suffered longer than Israel though he gives Israel a longer period and Judah a shorter.
Because God said in the Torah that Israel would be punished seven times over for its stubborn impenitence (Leviticus 26) and assuming that the Bible year is 360 days Jeffrey gets a total of 2483.8 of modern calendar years.
Ezekiel was counting from the time the Babylonian Captivity ended that is in the spring of 536 BC or 536.4 BC. There is no year zero so a year has to be left out so then he adds on 2483.8 of years which brings him to the 15th May 1948.
This is an amazing coincidence or so it seems for there are coincidences and there are manufactured ones. We are blind to how many tremendous coincidences happen every day.
But can we be sure that it is just a coincidence?
Very intriguing facts. Anyone guided by the Holy Spirit can readily see we are approaching the "Last Days."

www.scribd.com/doc/31322017 ...

Since: Jan 10

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#283 Nov 11, 2013
Catholic Guy wrote:
<quoted text>You are starting to get it. The word Pope is not in the Bible. The Pope's origin is. It is in the Gospels.

The first Pope and infant baptism, the real presence, confession, all existed before all of the NT was written.
The word nor the concept of a pope is not in the Bible.

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#284 Nov 11, 2013
HEATH - 72 wrote:
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The word nor the concept of a pope is not in the Bible.
According to your personal interpretation of a Catholic book which means nothing.

Since: Sep 13

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#285 Nov 11, 2013
Richie T wrote:
<quoted text>Very intriguing facts. Anyone guided by the Holy Spirit can readily see we are approaching the "Last Days."
www.scribd.com/doc/31322017 ...
Wow! You are smarter than Jesus.

Since: Jun 11

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#286 Nov 11, 2013
HEATH - 72 wrote:
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The word nor the concept of a pope is not in the Bible.
So therefore you are saying infant baptism, the real presence and confession are in the Bible. I agree. The word pope is English. Of course it's not in the Bible but neither is Welch's Pasteurized Grape Juice. As for the concept think back to the High Priests of the Old and New Testaments like Aaron and Zadok, their duties, authority and their vestments, and consider if Judaism could have survived centuries without an earthly final authority. In the same way no business or corporation could survive without a CEO especially one encompassing every nation on earth with billions of customers. I can't help it if Daniel Sommer died in 1940 leaving you guys spinning in circles.

http://youtu.be/lW9Uudkx42g

Since: Sep 13

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#287 Nov 11, 2013
Richie T wrote:
<quoted text>Now you are on to something. There is no set address, building, city or organization. His True Church is made up of all believers regardless of denomination. It s a very fluid group that no one can pin down or confine per se. "Church" came from the Greek word "Ekklesia." Ekklesia is translated "Assembly summoned by a crier." The RCC manipulated the term "church" for their own selfish gain.
Do you know how stupid this is? Do you really believe that everybody can believe what they want?

Since: Jun 11

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#288 Nov 11, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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Do you know how stupid this is? Do you really believe that everybody can believe what they want?
What's really stupid is the dude thinking God speaks only English and forgetting French...eglise, Spanish...iglesia, Italian...chiesa, Latin...ecclesia, and Klingon...vlpe'qang
William

Phenix City, AL

#289 Nov 11, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
As for the concept think back to the High Priests of the Old and New Testaments like Aaron and Zadok, their duties, authority and their vestments, and consider if Judaism could have survived centuries without an earthly final authority. In the same way no business or corporation could survive without a CEO especially one encompassing every nation on earth with billions of customers.
Bingo.

Since: Jun 11

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#290 Nov 11, 2013
William wrote:
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Bingo.
I should have added...which has survived and thrived for 2,000 years. The link to Zadok the Priest is to show the CEO of the Church of England. Here's a beloved former Catholic CEO:

http://youtu.be/XLXRUJgHYRA
William

Phenix City, AL

#291 Nov 11, 2013
Big bidness!
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#292 Nov 12, 2013
Mt. 28:20

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