Mare Island could see return of polic...

Mare Island could see return of police cadets

There are 31 comments on the Vallejo Times-Herald story from Sep 2, 2009, titled Mare Island could see return of police cadets. In it, Vallejo Times-Herald reports that:

Vallejo city officials said Monday they haven't decided what to do with an unexpected $800,000-plus tax payment weeks ago by Mare Island's developer.

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Trashman

Oakland, CA

#1 Sep 2, 2009
Give the money to the Empress Theatre.
tramky

Vacaville, CA

#2 Sep 2, 2009
First of all, the Mare Island CFD payments MUST be reduced. No service, no money to the City of Vallejo. Period. No discussion. Mare Island residents must NOT be paying one penny more for police & fire service than is anyone else in Vallejo. Why? Because there is now NO police presence on Mare Island, and Mare Island is separated from the rest of the City by a causeway that can be shut off by boat traffic at any moment. Mare Island is the only part of the city of Vallejo that is isolated by a major waterway AND by a drawbridge.

As for the dispute between Lennar and the City of Vallejo, by the actions, words & behaviors of City Finance Director Stout, I have little doubt that Lennar is in the right here, NOT the City. And I have no doubt that there is a massive bundle of money--in the low millions--stashed somewhere by the City that it has extracted through the MI CFDs.

Mare Island residents are being extorted by the City of Vallejo. Under the current situation the Mare Island CFDs are likely ILLEGAL--again, no service, no money. I would like to see this issue taken before the Federal bankruptcy court judge McManus.
Kurshan for City Council

United States

#3 Sep 2, 2009
I doubt there is one Mare Island resident who has anything good to say about Lennar, a selfish narrow minded one vision comapny, who didn't even have the vision to lease out the old PX as at least a temporary fix to the complete lack of any retail services what so ever.

I believe Lennar has to go, have always believed this and I also beliieve that the real power to remove them would come in the form of a class action suit by the home owners for Lennar's denial of service and possible breach of contract for not providing at the very least, an opportunity for someone to offer any of those services to the residents of Mare Island.

If I were the Mare Island home owners association, I would be retaining an attorney to explore the viability of such litigation.

Lennar has been a thorn in the foot of Vallejo, a boulder in the path of commercial/industrial development on Mare Island and needs to go!
CopSyrup

San Francisco, CA

#4 Sep 2, 2009
Typical of a city govt without a goal, scheduled payments from Lennar are now totally unexpected? That only points to a lack of communications between the city and the developer leaving the citizens in total darkness. Duhhh!!!

So now there are at least three options on the use of that money, unbelievable!!!
Cappy

Walnut Creek, CA

#5 Sep 2, 2009
LISTEN UP VALLEJO CITY GOV....
I give you the following scenario....
You live on the island in one of the "showcased" houses. At 2 in the afternoon you feel a terrible ache, really bad,...like heart attack bad......you dial 911 for help
Minutes count!
VFD is on its way......only to be stopped at the causeway by a tug going under the bridge...going out the long way you are met with holiday 37 traffic.......
20 minutes are lost...maybe more...
Will you even be alive to finish this story.
Use the money to help the island..open the VPD again PLEASE!
Kurshan for City Council

United States

#6 Sep 2, 2009
Cappy,

You painted a very realistic picture of what could easily occur.

Lennar should be made to foot the bill for necessary police and fire services on Mare Island since their development mandated this need.

As such, any private developer who builds a project in Vallejo that puts an additional burden or need on these services due to an increase in population and risk as a result of their project should be required by law to pay a substantial cost towards to providing these services.

For far too long the city has kept Lennar on a long leash. It's time to shorten that damn leash!
tramky

Vacaville, CA

#7 Sep 2, 2009
No business pays any taxes--are you KIDDING? The customers of business pay those taxes. So you make Lennar or any other business pay taxes? Sure, and the price you pay for whatever it is they sell will be higher. Companies pay nothing. The idiots who think that making companies pay higher taxes or fees as some kind of punishment are, well, stupid is the only word for it.

And consider this, if you make the price of operating for Lennar too high, they might just PULL OUT. And then who will be running Mare Island development? The Planning Department of the City of Vallejo, the City Council and all the rest.

Lennar has already invested some $100 million on Mare Island, and Lennar continues to spend really BIG bucks on environmental cleanup, and the continue to pay really big bucks into Mare Island CFDs. I'm pretty tired of the bashing of Lennar. Lennar hasn't been perfect, but then look what they are dealing with--the City of Vallejo. No the best & brightest partner one could imagine.
Kurshan for City Council

Waterloo, Canada

#8 Sep 2, 2009
Lennar has got to go.

I totally disagree with you.

In actuality we have to chase and corner them just to have the meet their obligations.
bandwidth

Vallejo, CA

#9 Sep 2, 2009
Kurshan for City Council wrote:
I doubt there is one Mare Island resident who has anything good to say about Lennar, a selfish narrow minded one vision comapny, who didn't even have the vision to lease out the old PX as at least a temporary fix to the complete lack of any retail services what so ever.
I believe Lennar has to go, have always believed this and I also beliieve that the real power to remove them would come in the form of a class action suit by the home owners for Lennar's denial of service and possible breach of contract for not providing at the very least, an opportunity for someone to offer any of those services to the residents of Mare Island.
If I were the Mare Island home owners association, I would be retaining an attorney to explore the viability of such litigation.
Lennar has been a thorn in the foot of Vallejo, a boulder in the path of commercial/industrial development on Mare Island and needs to go!
make sure you point out which incumbent is not supportive of waterfront industrial growth at m.i.
John

Oakland, CA

#10 Sep 2, 2009
What an interesting post... I would like to know the cost difference in having fire insurance now that there isn't a fire station on the island?
Cappy wrote:
LISTEN UP VALLEJO CITY GOV....
I give you the following scenario....
You live on the island in one of the "showcased" houses. At 2 in the afternoon you feel a terrible ache, really bad,...like heart attack bad......you dial 911 for help
Minutes count!
VFD is on its way......only to be stopped at the causeway by a tug going under the bridge...going out the long way you are met with holiday 37 traffic.......
20 minutes are lost...maybe more...
Will you even be alive to finish this story.
Use the money to help the island..open the VPD again PLEASE!
SayWhat

AOL

#11 Sep 2, 2009
Kurshan for City Council wrote:
I doubt there is one Mare Island resident who has anything good to say about Lennar, a selfish narrow minded one vision comapny, who didn't even have the vision to lease out the old PX as at least a temporary fix to the complete lack of any retail services what so ever.
I believe Lennar has to go, have always believed this and I also beliieve that the real power to remove them would come in the form of a class action suit by the home owners for Lennar's denial of service and possible breach of contract for not providing at the very least, an opportunity for someone to offer any of those services to the residents of Mare Island.
If I were the Mare Island home owners association, I would be retaining an attorney to explore the viability of such litigation.
Lennar has been a thorn in the foot of Vallejo, a boulder in the path of commercial/industrial development on Mare Island and needs to go!
"If you were the Mare Island Homeowners Association you would seek legal remediation from Lennar"... Right, who do you think can pay the attorney to accomplish this task ? The Mare Island residents are made up of civil service workers, construction workers, and some mid management workers. These are middle class folks who do not have the financial wear with all to pay for an expensive legal assult on Lennar.
I hope you have better ideas then this if you expect to win votes in November.
at work

Forestville, CA

#12 Sep 2, 2009
SayWhat wrote:
<quoted text>
"If you were the Mare Island Homeowners Association you would seek legal remediation from Lennar"... Right, who do you think can pay the attorney to accomplish this task ? The Mare Island residents are made up of civil service workers, construction workers, and some mid management workers. These are middle class folks who do not have the financial wear with all to pay for an expensive legal assult on Lennar.
I hope you have better ideas then this if you expect to win votes in November.
Those houses on Mare Island sold for nearly $800,000.00 Yes Eight hundred thousand dollars! How many people in Vallejo could afford to buy there? Yet you say they are middle class ?
MI Resident

San Jose, CA

#13 Sep 2, 2009
I would agree that even in bankruptcy, Lennar could outlast us in the court system for years. It is disgusting to listen to certain council members heap praise on Lennar for what they have done so far.
I have a genuine concern about being isolated by a drawbridge cycle. Are we paying the full cost of the city employee that just sits up there waiting for a boat?
SayWhat

AOL

#14 Sep 2, 2009
at work wrote:
<quoted text>
Those houses on Mare Island sold for nearly $800,000.00 Yes Eight hundred thousand dollars! How many people in Vallejo could afford to buy there? Yet you say they are middle class ?
I looked at MI for an investment home in 2005/2006. I walked the neighborhood and spoke with the new residents. I had and reviwed the demographic reports from my company and I spoke with the homebuilders that is how I know.

And for your assinine comment of " How many people in Vallejo could afford $800,000" to that I say quite a few of Vallejo citizens. Mortgage brokers were financing thousands of homebuyers in Vallejo who purchased but who were not able to afford to pay for these homes.

Look at Park Place in Vallejo, the homes were selling from $700,000 to $950,000 during the 2005/2006 haydays but now most are foreclosed on or are in the foreclosure process. They now are selling at 50 to 60% of their original selling price just like Mare Island.
shonuff

Newark, CA

#15 Sep 2, 2009
Those homes are very nice, yup indeedy.... and you bought those homes because they were on an island and they were nice and expensive, and there probably werent any of those....well, you know..poor folk around.
And now...now... you've JUST now realized what you bought ?!!!!!!
Cry me a f'ing river
Vegas baby

United States

#16 Sep 2, 2009
BUILD A CASINO!!!! THERE IS A PLAN COMING SOON FOR APPROVAL BY THE CITY THAT WILL PRODUCE 17 MILLION A YEAR FOR VALLEJO!!!!!
David Proud

AOL

#17 Sep 2, 2009
Finally, another voice saying what I have said all along. Thank you Kurshan!!!!
Lennar HAS GOT TO GO!!!!!!!!!!
tramky

Vacaville, CA

#18 Sep 2, 2009
No casinos in Vallejo. They are a rotten sinkhole. Get over it.

Get real businesses into this town, not a roomful of slot machines & smoke-filled cardrooms to bleed the retirees dry.
MI Resident

San Jose, CA

#19 Sep 2, 2009
I would go for a casino if it meant not taking it in the shorts any more with our CFD.
VHS

Kelseyville, CA

#20 Sep 2, 2009
I feel for the people who purchased homes on MI. I think the equitable thing to do is use a portion of the tax money/lease payments that is generated from industrial development and use it to offset the cost public safety services. Let's look at the possibility of having Medic Ambulance stage a unit at the now closed fire station. Lennar and the city need to share the costs.

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