Legend of the 'Zodiac' killer still g...

Legend of the 'Zodiac' killer still going strong

There are 112 comments on the Vallejo Times-Herald story from Apr 10, 2011, titled Legend of the 'Zodiac' killer still going strong. In it, Vallejo Times-Herald reports that:

Just inside Benicia's city limits, tucked in one of the winding coils of Lake Herman Road, is a small turnout that was once a scene of bloody carnage.

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Fearless in Antioch

San Francisco, CA

#83 Jul 19, 2012
Just_Curious wrote:
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Dont get me wrong I can only imagine how you must feel after so many years, but I find it so hard to believe you have not been able to fine his true name and identity.
I am not a PI, but have done some PI work on individuals and have been able to fine out their names.
Have you thought of hiring a PI?
I would love to help but I do have a regular job and volunteer my time to a lot of other things here in Vallejo.
Perhaps you could tell me how I should proceed with just a picture of the man, and a few names that I think could be him ? I don't have any money to hire a PI now. I did have a free one back in 1990, but he died unexpectedly at a young age. I just need to do a stake out at the homes of the names I have now, to make sure I have the right man.Once I have that, I can proceed to get his paper trail. Hopefully I can find that he lived in Vallejo , Napa, Riverside, Oakland , San Francisco, Santa Barbara all at the right times.I will be in Vallejo tomorrow doing more investigating.Some day if and when you have time, I would like to show you some of my evidence.
Just_Curious

Pleasant Hill, CA

#84 Jul 20, 2012
You will have to notice that he is following you for one, then turn the tables and have someone follow him, however I donít advise anyone to do that. Only a professional should take on that task, since he might be dangerous. The fact that people are dying who have come close to this case is rather disturbing. To do a stake out on those people you might think could be him, is certainly a start as well. I would love to help, but the fact I may lose my life does not sound too appealing to me.
Yes, I like to see what you have at some point if you are willing to show your information.
Fearless in Antioch

San Francisco, CA

#85 Jul 21, 2012
Just_Curious wrote:
You will have to notice that he is following you for one, then turn the tables and have someone follow him, however I donít advise anyone to do that. Only a professional should take on that task, since he might be dangerous. The fact that people are dying who have come close to this case is rather disturbing. To do a stake out on those people you might think could be him, is certainly a start as well. I would love to help, but the fact I may lose my life does not sound too appealing to me.
Yes, I like to see what you have at some point if you are willing to show your information.
I do understand your not wanting to be harmed by this person, he is very dangerous to be sure !I am willing to show anyone who is interested my collection of evidence. Having someone follow him while he was following me took place back in 1988 or 89. My boyfriend waited for me to get off work and stayed far enough behind me, to see this man follow me. I knew where the man would be waiting near my work , he would always wait at one particular spot then get behind me. So it was easy to do what you have suggested. I think he realised what was going on , because he took a Concord exit. Interestingly one of the poi's did live in Pleasant Hill ( next to Concord).I feel that I have finally got a name that is the correct person , I just need to confirm it by doing the stake out. For all we know he could be reading these posts ? I know he has read my posts zodiackiller.com , because of his communication in a letter to me.He felt that I had told a lie about him ? I can't think of what it could have been, unless one of the things that happened to me that I thought was him , was not ? He is reading what I post about him. It makes sense to me "if he is the zodiac",that he would start his day off by reading all about himself, on all of the sites. He is after all a egotistical maniac.I believe that perhaps Zodiac started a post on Vallejo Topix about a Young teenage boy who was shot a few yrs back. He used the name "Vallejo resident" ( I Think ?)If you know the Z case and how he wrote, you will recognise this post as what seems to be written by thee Zodiac himself !
Zodiac

Knoxville, TN

#86 Jul 23, 2012
Fearless in Antioch wrote:
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I do understand your not wanting to be harmed by this person, he is very dangerous to be sure !I am willing to show anyone who is interested my collection of evidence. Having someone follow him while he was following me took place back in 1988 or 89. My boyfriend waited for me to get off work and stayed far enough behind me, to see this man follow me. I knew where the man would be waiting near my work , he would always wait at one particular spot then get behind me. So it was easy to do what you have suggested. I think he realised what was going on , because he took a Concord exit. Interestingly one of the poi's did live in Pleasant Hill ( next to Concord).I feel that I have finally got a name that is the correct person , I just need to confirm it by doing the stake out. For all we know he could be reading these posts ? I know he has read my posts zodiackiller.com , because of his communication in a letter to me.He felt that I had told a lie about him ? I can't think of what it could have been, unless one of the things that happened to me that I thought was him , was not ? He is reading what I post about him. It makes sense to me "if he is the zodiac",that he would start his day off by reading all about himself, on all of the sites. He is after all a egotistical maniac.I believe that perhaps Zodiac started a post on Vallejo Topix about a Young teenage boy who was shot a few yrs back. He used the name "Vallejo resident" ( I Think ?)If you know the Z case and how he wrote, you will recognise this post as what seems to be written by thee Zodiac himself !
I read all your posts and found it very interesting.
I Smell a Rat

North Hollywood, CA

#87 Jul 24, 2012
Zodiac wrote:
<quoted text>I read all your posts and found it very interesting.
Well for Pete's sake, how does anyone know if it is THE ZODIAC or an imposter if you don't give some proof!
Tell us something that will explain some of the unanswered questions. What motivated you for starters might be good!
Do you still have your costume? If so, where is it? If not, what did you do with it?
Are you sorry for what you did?
Are you going to confess?
How is your health and what are you doing "for fun" these days?
What do you look like now and where do you live?
Are you still driving?
Did you disguise your handwriting in those letters you wrote?
Did the couple who deciphered your cipher do it correrctly? If not, what is the real meaning of it?
Zodiacs Auntie

United States

#88 Jul 25, 2012
Indeed, nephew of mine. Do you still have Paul's license and glasses? What did you take from Darlene? Her license? Her cash? Anything else?

Cleaning house here.
Fearless in Antioch

Berkeley, CA

#89 Jul 25, 2012
Zodiac wrote:
<quoted text>I read all your posts and found it very interesting.
If you are the Z, You will remember the last letter you left for me at my home. Please explain what you meant by the last line? I found out that when you shot at me, that bullet was not a .22 like I had thought , what cal. was it,(I still have the slug)? Tell your buddy Robert H.,that I did see him that night at 3am in my garage, before he turned to leave.
My neighbors reported seeing you climb over my fence with a gun to the police. If you are my secret admirer-er, as you have said to me on my phone recorder, why would you shoot at me ? What was the make, model and color of the car you followed me from Vallejo to Napa ,in back in 1968 ? If you answer even one of these questions you will have convinced me you are who you are claiming to be. Thank you
Do Tell

North Hollywood, CA

#90 Jul 25, 2012
Fearless, do you have a security system at your residence? If not, imo it would be a good idea for you to get one and some surveillance cameras!

Let's hope the Zodiac is composing his answers to our questions and will be kind enough to be posting them here as we eagerly wait to hear from him....it's been such a long time.

WE SHALL appreciate his communications and know he must have repented after all these years. If he wants any help, there is much available to him now that wasn't back in the day.
Do Tell

North Hollywood, CA

#91 Jul 25, 2012
Zodiacs Auntie, what makes you think your nephew is the Zodiac?
Did you help him in any way? Did you write some of the letters, lick the envelopes or stamps or mail them for him?
If you did assist him, did you do so knowingly or did he "trick you" (being the smart fellow that he is)?
It would certainly be easy enough to make up some excuse and ask someone to lick an envelope or stamp or mail something for them.
Do Tell

North Hollywood, CA

#92 Jul 25, 2012
Zodiac, PLEASE RUSH your answers!

In the meantime, there are more questions.

Have you read any of the books written about yourself? If so, which ones? Tell us what you think of them and how much of any theories/speculation about you is true.

Only the ZODIAC KNOWS!

Zodiac, do you remember the mystery that used to be on the radio, "The Shadow?" I think you would if you are in your seventies. I remember it and there is a famous saying, "Only the Shadow Knows."

What gave you your ideas? We know it is thought you were influenced by "The Mikado" but what other plays, movies, programs, books, cartoons, etc.?

Have you seen the movies about yourself? If so, what do you think? Do you have a favorite?

Don't you think it would be nice of you to clear up some of these questions and at long last remove any lingering suspicions remaining around those who were named/investigated and cleared?

Some continute to cast aspersions re. Richard Gaikowski and others who are now deceased. I would be most upset if I had a friend or family member who was declared innocent and had anyone continually dragging that person's name through the mud!

What do you think of the way the investigations into the murders have been handled? Do you think law enforcement did a good job considering the times?

Are you worried you may yet be caught?

Oh, and were you ever in the military and if so, which branch?

What size shoes did you wear and what size do you wear now?

How is your walk?

I do hope you are well and able to answer all these questions. It really wouldn't do to leave us all guessing now would it?
Fearless in Antioch

San Francisco, CA

#93 Jul 25, 2012
Do Tell wrote:
Fearless, do you have a security system at your residence? If not, imo it would be a good idea for you to get one and some surveillance cameras!
Let's hope the Zodiac is composing his answers to our questions and will be kind enough to be posting them here as we eagerly wait to hear from him....it's been such a long time.
WE SHALL appreciate his communications and know he must have repented after all these years. If he wants any help, there is much available to him now that wasn't back in the day.
Do tell, if Z is the person that I am very sure he is , he hasn't stopped killing, he has no regrets I am sorry to say. He kept his word about not announcing his crimes. It is good to see that these posts are getting a lot more action. I am sure that some might feel the person who is posting as Zodiac is a hoax, but I won't discount him yet, not until I see how he answers my questions. I know where and when the costume went, the real Zodiac knows that as well. I also know where he got the clothes line he used at Lake Berryessa.If he can tell me that, I will be impressed and very scared at the same time! You see I want to believe that my stalker is just pretending to be the Zodiac.
Zodiac

Knoxville, TN

#94 Jul 25, 2012
Sorry to burst your bubble but i'm not the zodiac and i never said i was. The Zodiac killed all those people before i was even born. I use this name because i have interest in astrology and i also have interest in the zodiac himself. I'm not a stalker of any shape or form and i'm sorry if i caused any trouble to anyone.
Do Tell

North Hollywood, CA

#95 Jul 25, 2012
I'm still scared when recalling the time I was followed one night by a man in a car in Los Angeles in the late 1960's as best I can recall.

He would get behind me, beside me, in front of me and this went on for a good five miles or more. I'd been downtown shopping and was on the way home. At first I thought it could have just been my imagination that he was following me (it was nighttime and of course no cell phones in those days). When it became obvious, I was really scared and fearful he was going to try to cause an accident to make me stop.

As I got within about a mile of where I was living, the street was busier and I'd had been thinking as hard as I could about what to do. I waited until he was either beside me or in front of my car and then quickly flipped a right turn onto a side street from the main street I was on.(Beverly Blvd. just east of La Brea in West Hollywood). The side street was in a residential area that I was familiar with and hoping he was not. It was dark but the blocks were short and I was successful in losing him. I was able to weave my way back to my normal route and looked around very carefully to make sure his car wasn't around before I drove home with my heart pounding.

Fearless, the man you describe sounds very dangerous. Have you gone to the police about this and what do they advise?

I'd be very careful about this guy and think I'd call the police from a cell phone (which hopefully you have) if I thought anyone was following me. Let them stop him and investigate! That is their job and they are trained to handle potentially dangerous situations.

I'd also get a security system and cameras if possible if I were you. Please take your concerns and photos to the police if you have not already done so.
Do Tell

North Hollywood, CA

#96 Jul 25, 2012
If the real Zodiac is reading here, please tell us if you killed Donna Lass and where her body is. Same goes for all the others. Their friends and families certainly deserve to know as much as possible about what happened to them.

The real Zodiac could also write a letter to the Chronicle and the other newspapers like he did years ago, answering questions and providing information to really prove it is him.

If the real Zodiac is alive and has access to the Internet, I really do think he'd be reading all he could about himself. So I agree with Fearless about not believing now whether the Zodiac above is telling the truth. So typical of Z to keep people guessing, isn't it?
Do Tell

North Hollywood, CA

#97 Jul 28, 2012
I was doing some reading at the Zodiac/Manson site and am confused again by the articles there making it sound like the Zodiac is already in prison.

If that is really the case and money prevented him being tried for two murders, why wasn't it announced publicly so people could stop looking and worrying?

There was also some sketches pertaining to some of the symbols associated with some of the theories and one of them had to do with Rosicrucians.

There were some hourglasses shown in one of the photos (think this had to do with somethings found around what was thought to be the gravesite of Donna Lass) and wonder if those hourglasses are what some think to be 'eights' in one of Zodiac writings where he purports to tell his name.
RedDragon

Knoxville, TN

#98 Jul 29, 2012
I think Zodiac had interest in astrology take look at
zodiac sign Aries looks alot like one of the symbols of Zodiac left that suppose to be his name. Also if you put 6 and 9 together it looks like 8 with circle around it, almost like the sign cancer.
Fearless in Antioch

Berkeley, CA

#99 Jul 30, 2012
I do believe he is still alive , and would be reading all about himself. There have been letters sent to the S.F.Chron from whom I believe is the Zodiac. I have a copy of it, and it has the z type of taunting with clues to prove it is him. Of course many who have other suspects who are dead , or in jail, would think that these latest letters are a copy cat. The last one sent to the Chron., was to be forwarded to Robt Graysmith, Graysmith didn't want to read it. That is probably because he thinks Art Allen was the z . That letter had clues to when and where Graysmith was at certain times during the day, while he was still working at the news paper. Only someone who was watching Graysmith would know these things, if they were accurate ? It could be some other kook of course, but it could very well be the Z , letting Graysmith know he was being watched by him .
Then there was the Dec. 1990 card sent from Eureka, that one looks just like a Z communication ! That card sat in a drawer at the S.F. Chron. until just a few yrs ago, because it wasn't thought to be real . I wonder who makes these decisions ? I do believe the Z has tried to communicate , but not in the same way he did in the past. I think he likes the idea that there is still a lot of speculation as to what became of him , like in the Ripper case.
Fearless in Antioch

Berkeley, CA

#100 Jul 30, 2012
Zodiac wrote:
<quoted text>I read all your posts and found it very interesting.
You didn't say you are the Zodiac, but by your response to my post above, about my feeling that the Z was reading them, you were insinuating you were . The real zodiac is too much of a coward to post he is still alive and reading about himself. Knowing that he could be traced by his IP address, that would not be very smart on his part. He would toy with us , that is what he enjoys doing. Or realize after he posted something, that he needed to retract it, then attempt to do a cover up. I can see that happening .
He sometimes lets his emotions take over, is my belief.
Fearless in Antioch

Berkeley, CA

#101 Jul 30, 2012
RedDragon wrote:
I think Zodiac had interest in astrology take look at
zodiac sign Aries looks alot like one of the symbols of Zodiac left that suppose to be his name. Also if you put 6 and 9 together it looks like 8 with circle around it, almost like the sign cancer.
Most all of us were interested in astrology back then. I do think he had a interest, but didn't know a whole lot about it. I think he was also into numerology, certain numbers seem to show up in his clues.The number 3 was one that my suspect used a lot. I tried to figure out what that number meant?
One idea was that the number 3 on the phone was DEF, that was Darlene's initials .( This guy connects me to Darlene ) In his cyphers the letter D was also used for his logo. Some police believe that could be the first letter of his first or last name. Oddly enough I am looking at someone who has the Initials D.D. He was on the ship Enterprise, went to school in southern Calif. Was in the S.F. bay area at the right time, had a close relative in Vallejo late 60's through 70's. He has the lazy eye that my poi has, had brown curly hair, was short and stocky. Has a very bad temper , he threatened to kill his wife and daughter ! I am looking for anyone who was on the Enterprise or knew someone who was on it ? I would like to know when it was at Mare Island in the late 60's ? I remember talking to Sailors who were on it, when I worked in Vallejo, but I want to narrow down the time line, to see if it matched up with the murders.
Do Tell

North Hollywood, CA

#102 Jul 30, 2012
Zodiac seems to be an artistic, creative sort of guy among other things. Perhaps he took inspiration for his logo from the popular culture of the day. The astrology most of us were into as mentioned by Fearless was everywhere. There was the musical "Hair" with its' hit musical score (one famous song from it is "Aquarius"). A common pick up line was "what's your sign?"

Zodiac's cryptograms could simply be inspired from the culture of the time. He wanted "buttons." The hourglass symbols I mentioned above could have inspired what look like eights. OTOH, those could be eights or Taurus symbols as some have speculated.

Time is definitely one of Zodiac's themes so that is what made me think he could have been inspired by those hourglass symbols pictured with the other Rosicrucian symbols.

Some of those cryptograms have been interpreted perhaps a little too literally.

Now after reading about the letters sent to Graysmith, does anyone think Zodiac could have been an employee of the Chronicle?

It seems that anyone, especially an employee of a newspaper, should have and should now immediately notify the proper agencies (if they have not) about these letters thought to be sent from Zodiac!

Or at least publish a copy of them on the Internet as they may ring a bell with somebody acquainted with Z!

If turning them over to any LE, make sure you make a copy of them for yourself as I seem to have read somewhere that some people who did this never heard another word from the LE agency they contacted and/or never had anything thought to be possible evidence returned to them.

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