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GVRD's Liat Meitzenheimer mum on Shellmound Construction. Why?

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  • Doesn't like Wounded Knee DeOcampo
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Oct 24, 2010
 

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Seems like someone trampled on my first amendment rights.

Liat's involvement could have mad a difference.

Side note: Some one said Liat doesn't hate.

When I used to be on speaking terms with her, I once suggested people sit down with Kurt Henke and see what's on his mind. Liat had A cow and said she "HATES" Kurt Henke and that meeting would never occur.

Similar to her boy toy Marc Garman's response to my arranging a meeting between he and Kurt.

Not capable of hate. Hogwash! Liat has hate in her blood and craves it like a vampire. The same hate her vampire pals Gomes and Schivley have.

Liat should have gone the extra mile as head of the GVRD board, to work out a compromise with the inter tribal council.

She has no respect for Wounded Knee. Therefore no communication will take place between the two.
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#2
Oct 24, 2010
 
Who cares. Kurt is gone and I seriously doubt that this Liat person would ever have a serious conversation with a nut job like you. Plus the fact that Kurt hated your guts and so it's doubtful that he would have allowed you to broker a meeting for him with anyone. You seem to always jump in everyone else's business and maybe that's part of your problem.
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#3
Oct 24, 2010
 
The first Amendment states that you have the right to say what you want, regardless to how stupid it may be for how useless the message. But that doesn't mean you get to post it on a newspaper thread if they don't like what you are saying. Hey, I've got a good idea. Why don't you go to City Council and demand that they investigate the T-H? Yeah, go there and tell them that you were attacking Meitzenheimer and you demand that they investigate if your rights were violated as you were slandering citizens in the community and had your comments pulled. Now that would be worth a trip downtown.

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Oct 24, 2010
 
You care or you wouldn't have commented.

When I helped build the new City Park Playground (and in case you try to say I'm lying, it was in the rain for one week, with a torn left rotator cuff)I worked along side of and became personal friends with a Vallejo fire Department Fire Captain. A few months later when I ran for City Council this person set up a one on one meeting with Kurt and I. During the meeting a call came in for a large brush fire up in the hills behind Wardlaw Elementary School. I went on a ride along and assisted in pulling hoses for water supply. Later that afternoon Kurt, myself and the fire captain sat down for three hours and finished our meeting. I left with a new found respect for a man I once loathed as well as a commitment from Kurt to meet face to face with Marc Garman, the only person Kurt hated more than me. Garman refused to meet with Kurt and soon after my friendship with Marc soured.

The reason I brought this up is to illustrate the permanently etched hatred in the minds (they have no hearts) of Marc Garman and Liat Meitzenheimer for Kurt Henke. Henke tried to sue Liat more than once.

Liat has stated openly that she "HATES" Henke and was firm on that hatred being eternal.

In my opinion, a woman like Liat is incapable of being head of the board of directors of an organization like GVRD because she lacks the interpersonal communication skills, patience , compromise and compassion for other human beings to broker the kind of compromise that is necessary to end the Shellmound desecration issue. Never the less she should go out of her way and walk the extra mile as a woman of color who is familiar with hate and discrimination, coming at her as well as coming out of her and try to settle this years long battle once and for all.

You don't know me, don't know any of my beliefs and very little about me other than what you read here from a handful of similar hateful souls who are close associates of Liat and Marc.

Not a single council member past or present has advocated on behalf of the Native American Tribes position on this issue. I am the only one.
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Oct 24, 2010
 
Another "Sam" story? I thought you were talking about Glen Cove. But nooooooo, it's yet another story all about sam the great. If you were in so tight with the fire union, why didn't they back your run for office? As a matter if fact, why didn't any of the unions back you, Mr. blue collar candidate? Huh? I'll help you out. It is because you are a nut job sam. You lie, make up stories, slander others, and just plain hate too much. That's why. Oh, did I list nut job? I'm glad to see you are now speaking for the indians. It will be one more group of Vallejoans that will cross you off their list. March on fat boy.
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You care or you wouldn't have commented.
When I helped build the new City Park Playground (and in case you try to say I'm lying, it was in the rain for one week, with a torn left rotator cuff)I worked along side of and became personal friends with a Vallejo fire Department Fire Captain. A few months later when I ran for City Council this person set up a one on one meeting with Kurt and I. During the meeting a call came in for a large brush fire up in the hills behind Wardlaw Elementary School. I went on a ride along and assisted in pulling hoses for water supply. Later that afternoon Kurt, myself and the fire captain sat down for three hours and finished our meeting. I left with a new found respect for a man I once loathed as well as a commitment from Kurt to meet face to face with Marc Garman, the only person Kurt hated more than me. Garman refused to meet with Kurt and soon after my friendship with Marc soured.
The reason I brought this up is to illustrate the permanently etched hatred in the minds (they have no hearts) of Marc Garman and Liat Meitzenheimer for Kurt Henke. Henke tried to sue Liat more than once.
Liat has stated openly that she "HATES" Henke and was firm on that hatred being eternal.
In my opinion, a woman like Liat is incapable of being head of the board of directors of an organization like GVRD because she lacks the interpersonal communication skills, patience , compromise and compassion for other human beings to broker the kind of compromise that is necessary to end the Shellmound desecration issue. Never the less she should go out of her way and walk the extra mile as a woman of color who is familiar with hate and discrimination, coming at her as well as coming out of her and try to settle this years long battle once and for all.
You don't know me, don't know any of my beliefs and very little about me other than what you read here from a handful of similar hateful souls who are close associates of Liat and Marc.
Not a single council member past or present has advocated on behalf of the Native American Tribes position on this issue. I am the only one.
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Oct 24, 2010
 
Samuel Kurshan wrote:
Seems like someone trampled on my first amendment rights.
Liat's involvement could have mad a difference.
Side note: Some one said Liat doesn't hate.
When I used to be on speaking terms with her, I once suggested people sit down with Kurt Henke and see what's on his mind. Liat had A cow and said she "HATES" Kurt Henke and that meeting would never occur.
Similar to her boy toy Marc Garman's response to my arranging a meeting between he and Kurt.
Not capable of hate. Hogwash! Liat has hate in her blood and craves it like a vampire. The same hate her vampire pals Gomes and Schivley have.
Liat should have gone the extra mile as head of the GVRD board, to work out a compromise with the inter tribal council.
She has no respect for Wounded Knee. Therefore no communication will take place between the two.
The truth is that they can let you speak for them all they want and you will only sour their public opinion even more because you have been known to lie and wouldn't know the truth or history of how GVRD tried to work with this group. The fact that they disregard the tribal rules indicates to me that they are not working for the good of all Native Americans. Lastly, if Mrs. Meitzenheimer was half of what you accuse her of being, I'm sure she would have not been appointed and reappointed to the position. It seems that you are the one with a problem and a personal grudge as your comments are filled with resentment and envy.
Typical VIB propaganda

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Oct 24, 2010
 
I guess we all must believe that Sam is a liar just because two VIB mongrels said so.

Not so fast. You assume too much. I don't think he's a liar. I think Liat, Gomes, Garman, Brown, Schivley are the liars and you two are their dumb subjects. I mean their dumbest subjects.
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Oct 25, 2010
 
OMG! poor sammy. a torn rotator cuff and in the rain too. what a sacrifice. can we get sammy canonized for his martyrdom for all we vallejoans? i mean really. the incredible pain. the man is a saint. just ask him. he'll tell you.
as far as liat meitzenheimer is concerned...as i've said before, sam kurshan isn't good enough to shovel her dog's s(hit). liat is a wonderful asset to our community and that drives sam kurshan wild. he knows how much she does for vallejo and how little he has done and he is eaten up with envy. one week in a little park, swinging a hammer, eating everything in sight. that is only a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of work liat has contributed to our town. for sam kurshan to question liat meitzenheimer is both highly amusing and extremely ridiculous.
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Oct 25, 2010
 
No heartburn when this topic was pulled by the TH, not for the sake of Ms. Meitzenheimer, but because of the vile back-and-forth accusations, remeniscent of the forums a few years ago. At that time the whole site was put on hiatus!
I thought the bologna dished by those that are not as informed as they thought they were, was cooked/pulled as tainted food.

The headline given this topic is already misleading, "Construction", what construction?

As I recall, Ms. Meitzenheimer was but a board member/director at the time this issue was "approved" by the whole board. Some have since left their positions! Ms. Meitzenheimer's other involvements and/or standing within the community is not an issue in this case.

Now that the city wishes to get $144 K for plan approval, the very same ones already documented in extreme detail, it is once again time to continue to beat the drum and rehash an issue, already decided.
(It also may be pay back time for some of our elected officials who were supported by VIC, but were uninformed about the issue during their run for office, and even stated so!)

The involvement of the "Most Likely Descendant" and his approval for restoration should be a wake up call to those that thrive on misinformation.
This MLD is a member of a large, well known Native American tribe that is extremely active, prosperous and contributes to the region. So the person who opined in the deleted forum that the MLD is fake should explain her/himself with that in mind.

VIC has no standing with respect to this issue but was nonetheless consulted and able to speak just like the rest of residents actually living in Vallejo. Why do they want to give the appearance that they were shut out of the process, when that is a blatant lie?

In addition, those that frequent the Glen Cove facebook pages should also inform themselves about the issues instead of repeating that they oppose "Industrial Construction in Glen Cove",(we are still living within Vallejo's city limits!..and what industrial are you talking about, Lady from Texas?) and the land should be returned to VIC since it is their land.

Rallying the Native American community is a good thing, however to disperse untruths and trying to stir the muck where none needs to be stirred is counter productive for preservation and progress.
sams bad mojo

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Oct 25, 2010
 
GEE, thank you. well informed and thoughtful post.
Typical Sam Propaganda

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Oct 25, 2010
 
Typical VIB propaganda wrote:
I guess we all must believe that Sam is a liar just because two VIB mongrels said so.
Not so fast. You assume too much. I don't think he's a liar. I think Liat, Gomes, Garman, Brown, Schivley are the liars and you two are their dumb subjects. I mean their dumbest subjects.
Sam in his continuing attempt to sound intellegent, once again puts his feet in his mouth.

Propaganda: information put out by an organization or government to promote a policy, idea, or cause.

Sam, VIB doesn't have a single story, article, commentary etc. about YOU. VIB has taken no position about YOU. As a matter of fact, people there don't call your name out loud dreading that it may envoke your presense. They prefer that you keep your hate and other nonsense, over here. You'd like to think you are important enough to have an organized effort to attack you, but you're not. This is just another way for you to avoid the truth, that there are many that don't like you. There is no deception or slander. The truth works far more effectively toward exposing you for the narcissistic nut job that you are.
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#12
Oct 25, 2010
 
Thank you Gee for setting out the facts on the Glen Cove issue. VIC continues to lose support because it brings on price like Sam and organizations like Greenaction that have their own agenda and so willing to carry lies into the community to promote themselves. The truth is documented for anyone that cares to read it.
Trust Sam not VIB

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Oct 25, 2010
 
take your own advice and stay at the VIB hate site
Typical Sam Propaganda

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Oct 25, 2010
 
Trust Sam not VIB wrote:
take your own advice and stay at the VIB hate site
Unlike Sam, I can post where ever I choose.
sams bad mojo

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Oct 25, 2010
 
trust sam kurshan? FOTFLMAO!!!!
The Coroner

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Oct 25, 2010
 
How about you FOTFADD
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Oct 25, 2010
 
more from the sam wannabe....
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Oct 25, 2010
 
GEE wrote:
No heartburn when this topic was pulled by the TH, not for the sake of Ms. Meitzenheimer, but because of the vile back-and-forth accusations, remeniscent of the forums a few years ago. At that time the whole site was put on hiatus!
I thought the bologna dished by those that are not as informed as they thought they were, was cooked/pulled as tainted food.
The headline given this topic is already misleading, "Construction", what construction?
As I recall, Ms. Meitzenheimer was but a board member/director at the time this issue was "approved" by the whole board. Some have since left their positions! Ms. Meitzenheimer's other involvements and/or standing within the community is not an issue in this case.
Now that the city wishes to get $144 K for plan approval, the very same ones already documented in extreme detail, it is once again time to continue to beat the drum and rehash an issue, already decided.
(It also may be pay back time for some of our elected officials who were supported by VIC, but were uninformed about the issue during their run for office, and even stated so!)
The involvement of the "Most Likely Descendant" and his approval for restoration should be a wake up call to those that thrive on misinformation.
This MLD is a member of a large, well known Native American tribe that is extremely active, prosperous and contributes to the region. So the person who opined in the deleted forum that the MLD is fake should explain her/himself with that in mind.
VIC has no standing with respect to this issue but was nonetheless consulted and able to speak just like the rest of residents actually living in Vallejo. Why do they want to give the appearance that they were shut out of the process, when that is a blatant lie?
In addition, those that frequent the Glen Cove facebook pages should also inform themselves about the issues instead of repeating that they oppose "Industrial Construction in Glen Cove",(we are still living within Vallejo's city limits!..and what industrial are you talking about, Lady from Texas?) and the land should be returned to VIC since it is their land.
Rallying the Native American community is a good thing, however to disperse untruths and trying to stir the muck where none needs to be stirred is counter productive for preservation and progress.
Vallejo intertribal has NOTHING to do with this matter. Understand?

The MLD is named Kesner. He is from Cache Creek. He loves it when he approves these projects and remains are discoverd. He gets to jump in and take the bones!!!! He loves it. He is not protecting ANYTHING. If he was really doing the job appointed to him this matter at Glen Cove would have been over years ago. Tey own a casino for crist sake. They are NOT going to tell people to stop any construction. Look at all the damage hes creating up at Rockville. The guys not in a good traditional way. Hes just another buisenss man, getting over on the people. MY OPINION.
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Oct 25, 2010
 
opinion wrote:
<quoted text>Vallejo intertribal has NOTHING to do with this matter. Understand?
The MLD is named Kesner. He is from Cache Creek. He loves it when he approves these projects and remains are discoverd. He gets to jump in and take the bones!!!! He loves it. He is not protecting ANYTHING. If he was really doing the job appointed to him this matter at Glen Cove would have been over years ago. Tey own a casino for crist sake. They are NOT going to tell people to stop any construction. Look at all the damage hes creating up at Rockville. The guys not in a good traditional way. Hes just another buisenss man, getting over on the people. MY OPINION.
So you are saying the DeOcampo is not representing VIC anymore?
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Oct 25, 2010
 
Really wrote:
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So you are saying the DeOcampo is not representing VIC anymore?
Why dont you ask VIC? They have meetings I suppose. Glen Cove/ VIC are two seperate things. One is a sacred site in NEED of protection. The other is a community organization that recently brought a GREAT powwow to Vallejo.

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