Vallejo police hiring behind schedule...

Vallejo police hiring behind schedule, money to go to street paving

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Anonymous

Vallejo, CA

#1 Oct 9, 2013
Vallejo police hiring behind schedule, money to go to street paving
http://www.timesheraldonline.com/news/ci_2427...

A plan to shift $2.5 million of Vallejo's budget from hiring new police officers to to street repair and other projects received unanimous approval Tuesday night.

The Vallejo City Council first, however, questioned City Manager Dan Keen and Police Chief Joseph Kreins on why the funds, drawn from the more than $10 million a year in sales tax revenue from the 2011 ballot item Measure B, would not be spent by July.

Answering Councilman Bob Sampayan's question of whether the "hiring process has hit a snag," Keen said that the city Human Resources Department is "working very, very hard ... to hire as many officers as we can."

The budget approved this summer allocated funding to boost the police department's officer count to 110. The force stands now at just above 80 officers.

Kreins told the council he had hired six new officers in the past year, but still had to fill vacancies of officers who have left the department -- resulting in a nearly even-sum total. He added that diverting the funds will not hinder his hiring process.

"We just project based on those numbers and what we have in the pipeline that it would be pretty much impossible to hire that number by the end of the fiscal year," City Manager Keen said, later adding, "We're not having trouble recruiting officers."

Retired Vallejo police officer Burky Worel questioned Keen's assertion, noting that "you have fewer officers than you had two years ago when Measure B passed."

Worel recommended putting the $2.5 million toward the city's potential $5.2 million deficit, or toward reinstating a now defunct police youth services program.

Another speaker, J.D. Miller, recommended injecting a "pile of money" into the city's Economic Development Department instead.

However, the council approved the proposed $2 million for street repair,$200,000 for a police cadet program and $110,000 for fire department in-car computers and records system. Also approved was $150,000 for north Mare Island security patrol,$500,000 towards the city General Plan update and $400,000 toward the city economic development strategy.

Among those efforts, an ongoing patrol of the vacant north Mare Island was commended by the council and public.

"The crime ... dropped off immediately," said Mare Island resident James DuCharme of the patrols. "It's not perfect out there, but the clamor that used to occur (has decreased)."
Oh GOB

Vallejo, CA

#2 Oct 9, 2013
This is more BS from Keen, he continues to report that recruiting is going well, yet we are still 20 officers short of the approved staffing level. Why didn't he start this "schedule" sooner? He'll be gone with a council shift, IMO.
WTF

Vallejo, CA

#3 Oct 9, 2013
Great. We will be the new East Oakland by next summer. The people "running" this cesspool are beyond incompetent.
anon

Vallejo, CA

#4 Oct 9, 2013
Oh GOB wrote:
This is more BS from Keen, he continues to report that recruiting is going well, yet we are still 20 officers short of the approved staffing level. Why didn't he start this "schedule" sooner? He'll be gone with a council shift, IMO.
110 officers? Isn't that the minimum number of Officers Schively and Pearsall raised such a stink over to get Roger Kemp fired? C'mon. Recruiting is not going "well"!
Ellen on L

Oakland, CA

#5 Oct 9, 2013
It takes about a year to hire a good officer. Background checks and testing and interviewing take a long time. Then you still have to field train them. That takes months. If you do not do that you are throwing the new officer to the wolves and since it seems all the new hires are younguns, not older officers, giving them good training is the least we can do. By putting them through a rigorous hiring process we are being prudent and smart for once in this stupid city. It is either that or hire whatever psychos or losers try to get in and you all do not want that, do you? Although since this city is full of psycho's, maybe we would be fighting fire with fire.

But I agree the bucks should be going into econ devel. Without more income we will just slide into bankruptcy again.
Its Gomes fault

Oakland, CA

#6 Oct 9, 2013
Its Gomes (VIB's) fault.
Hello its Sam the Idiot

Vallejo, CA

#7 Oct 9, 2013
Its Gomes fault wrote:
Its Gomes (VIB's) fault.
Its my fault. If I didn't keep abusing the criminal system the cops would have more time to do their job.
sam ghost army

Vallejo, CA

#9 Oct 9, 2013
the city manager is only offering his opinion of recruiting efforts. people can see police staffing is low as hell, that means problems in recruiting, no matter how you try to spin it with this "it takes time" bullschit. cops are waiting for the election, they do not want to work in a city hostile to police. that is why the interest is limited to new recruits, who will get some experience and haul ass to another agency. thanks, gomes and friends, muttafuggas!
Another viewpoint

Vallejo, CA

#10 Oct 9, 2013
sam ghost army wrote:
the city manager is only offering his opinion of recruiting efforts. people can see police staffing is low as hell, that means problems in recruiting, no matter how you try to spin it with this "it takes time" bullschit. cops are waiting for the election, they do not want to work in a city hostile to police. that is why the interest is limited to new recruits, who will get some experience and haul ass to another agency. thanks, gomes and friends, muttafuggas!
Despite all of the tough talk here, cops from other cities ARE considering becoming lateral transfers to Vallejo. The pay is better. What they have to consider is it worth losing seniority . The thinking is get in early before all of the new hiring occurs
sam ghost army

Vallejo, CA

#11 Oct 9, 2013
hey brainiac, the city manager has already said future budget balancing will require more cuts in service and comp. sure cops from other cities are considering, so where are the lateral apps. what are they waiting for. oh that's right, the thinking is why come to hostile ground where they have assured police that more cuts are coming when they work in a city that is not organized against the police department.
Vallejo Resident

San Ramon, CA

#12 Oct 24, 2013
More police officers or better roads....Less crime or more potholes....somethings not right..who getting the contracts..New police cheif and new force is what we need.
citizen X

Vallejo, CA

#13 Oct 24, 2013
Vallejo Resident wrote:
More police officers or better roads....Less crime or more potholes....somethings not right..who getting the contracts..New police cheif and new force is what we need.
Well, thats what we got.
Good morning!
vib hater

Vallejo, CA

#14 Oct 24, 2013
"behind schedule". translation: recruiting is problematic. vallejo has solidified it's reputation as a police unfriendly town with this majority. a gomer victory next month will assure we get only rookie interest from here on out, and they won't stay long, so we will save money on longevity pay. great.
Manny

Vallejo, CA

#15 Oct 24, 2013
Kreins is cherry picking not just filling billets .
With the closely spaced retirements it has been difficult to keep up with staffing . We pay for it so we should get quality , He is also hiring many locals
that meet muster , all in all he has the right idea and the CM and Council behind him . In the coming years Vallejo will be a model PD .
vib hater

Vallejo, CA

#16 Oct 24, 2013
"He is also hiring many locals".
many? care to elaborate?
btw, the city knew who was retirement eligible long before kreins came along, they should have developed this "schedule" to keep up with people leaving. i never saw this "schedule", has anyone else seen it?
we are still 20 officers short of approved staffing levels. people are not buying this "it takes time" crap any longer. street crime and broad daylight robberies/burglaries are commonplace now because of low patrol presence and they are chasing calls all shift.
vib hater

Vallejo, CA

#17 Oct 24, 2013
Ellen on L wrote:
It takes about a year to hire a good officer. Background checks and testing and interviewing take a long time. Then you still have to field train them. That takes months. If you do not do that you are throwing the new officer to the wolves and since it seems all the new hires are younguns, not older officers, giving them good training is the least we can do. By putting them through a rigorous hiring process we are being prudent and smart for once in this stupid city. It is either that or hire whatever psychos or losers try to get in and you all do not want that, do you? Although since this city is full of psycho's, maybe we would be fighting fire with fire.
But I agree the bucks should be going into econ devel. Without more income we will just slide into bankruptcy again.
who will train the new rookies once all the veterans have bailed?
GEE

Alameda, CA

#18 Oct 24, 2013
sam ghost army wrote:
the city manager is only offering his opinion of recruiting efforts. people can see police staffing is low as hell, that means problems in recruiting, no matter how you try to spin it with this "it takes time" bullschit. cops are waiting for the election, they do not want to work in a city hostile to police. that is why the interest is limited to new recruits, who will get some experience and haul ass to another agency. thanks, gomes and friends, muttafuggas!
I hope they are not growing a beard, having to wait for the "election" and such... yeah and that money tree to bud out being heavily fertilized by the bag of broken slate...
Just like every employee our police officers are free to move about in search of greener pastures.

Explain what you mean by “a city is hostile” towards their PD? Do you allege that the entire citizenry is hostile; the officers do not have the support within their scope of employment or are being discriminated against in any way? How about the proliferation of non-law abiding perps roaming our streets? I would consider them belonging to a hostile group, not "a city" as you allege!!

You do not speak for me and the many law-abiding residents of this town who are in full support of their force!

To date, our police force has received everything they asked for. That they are short in officers on the streets is not the result of a hostile environment, not because they are being short changed wage and benefit wise, but the result of their own actions.

As much as I am in support of our police department, the fact remains that the flight of officers occurred because they had the ability and time requirements to retire and they took advantage of that en masse. How the department would be able to perform was not a consideration when they made that decision. It left the PD stripped of manpower and subsequent inability to perform to their full potential. That fact can be directly attributed to the flight of their brothers and sisters who jumped the gun prematurely.

So I am appreciative of those who remained and continue to stick around, some have for a long time and will continue to do so. Those "free agents" willing to apply and qualify for the positions advertised, no matter how long that takes may they be laterals or newbie’s, are warmly welcomed by me.
NoShowSam

Walnut Creek, CA

#19 Oct 24, 2013
vib hater wrote:
<quoted text>who will train the new rookies once all the veterans have bailed?
Thankfully it won't be Grissle or Vallejo would wind up paying out Billions in lawsuits.
vib hater

Vallejo, CA

#20 Oct 24, 2013
anybody want to take a stab at my question?
Old Times

Vallejo, CA

#21 Oct 24, 2013
If the last, best, and final offer to VPD affects the pension formula of retire eligible officers, this so-called schedule that nobody has ever seen will go critical.

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