Thug City - UT Martin Football

Thug City - UT Martin Football

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emmisu

Monterey, TN

#1 Sep 1, 2011
"We never like any player to leave our program. Certainly, we're always there to help motivate, to teach, and educate. We want them to represent Tennessee the right way," Dooley said. "

"We want them to perform academically and we want them to perform on the football field and inevitably there's times when the two parties have to part ways. That's the way it is with Montori,(quote from coach dooley).

I'm sure Simpson and UT Martin were foaming at the mouth over this D-1 reject. They love bringing D-1 reject thugs to their program. I did not know UT Martin's academic and disciplinary standards were so low. I do not believe I will send my kids to a university with such low standards. Montori is just one of many who can do whatever they want and UT Martin doesn't care as long as he can help them win a football game. Check out these links.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story...
http://www.volunteertv.com/news/headlines/123...

I'm sure he wasn't drinking when the fight occurred because he was only 20 at the time! Ha! Our streets are much safer now.
Here It Is

Monterey, TN

#2 Sep 1, 2011
Only time will tell if this nice young man can meet Coach Simpson's policy of, and I quote, "When it comes to my players, their performance on the field better exceed their problems off the field." Looks like ole Montori will probably be able to get away with any level of unacceptable behavior based on this guideline.
firstchance

Belvidere, IL

#3 Sep 2, 2011
You are barking up a tall tree. It is the same everywhere. Your community does not care who your coach brings to town. Most of your community probably doesn't go to the games much less care about who the players are. The coach knows this and has the support of the university administration. His goal is to win games and keep his key players to do so. That way he hopes to reach his ultimate goal of moving to the next level.
football junky

Martin, TN

#4 Sep 8, 2011
This happens alot in college football. A player will get kicked out of a big football program and transfer to a smaller school. Trust me when I say that players have done worse things and got dismissed from a team. Small schools are always picking up players that are dismissed. All Coach Simpson has to do is worry about how Montori will act at UTM. Im pretty sure that Montori is well aware that this is his last chance to play Division 1 football. Don't single out coach simpson because this happens everwhere.

Cam Newton-Kicked out of Florida. Tranfers to CC then to Auburn. Was kicked from Florida for stealing laptops...not to mention the whole pay to play scandal.

Jeremiah Masoli- Transfered from Oregon to Ole Miss after getting dismissed for theft and drug charges.

Washaun Ealey-(led Georgia in rushing the last 2 yeara)Transfered from Georgia to Jacksonville State after being charged with driving with a suspended license and leaving the scene of an accident. Georgia booted him after failing to show for a team sanctioned punishment.

Ryan Perrilloux- transfered from LSU to Jacksonville State after violating team rules and failing a drug test. Perrilloux was even suspended at Jacksonville State for violating team rules.

See there are two guys right there who transfered to Jacksonville State.
emmisu

Monterey, TN

#5 Sep 9, 2011
So its OK for UTM to do the wrong things if other schools are doing it too? The question is, does UTM lower its academic standards just to bolster an athletic team? If other schools do it, does that make it acceptable for UTM to do it? Its kind of like your mom saying "if everyone jumps off a cliff, are you going to jump also?" Where do you draw the line? Is it OK to knowingly recruit individuals convicted of drug charges, unlawful weapons charges etc as long as they don't do it again at the new school? Obviously, two sets of standards apply at universities.
FB Queen

Martin, TN

#6 Sep 9, 2011
UTM CAN'T lower academic standards to bolster an athletic team. Academic standards for all schools who are members of the NCAA (and UTM is) must meet the NCAA academic guidelines as well as those of the university. In most cases, the NCAA academic standards are higher than those required for a regular (non-athlete) student to enter UTM. Athletes ARE held to a double standard -- that of the University and that of the NCAA. Not either/or -- both of them must be met in order to be declared eligible by the NCAA. And the NCAA declares eligibility, not the university. Until the university gets the "go-ahead" from the NCAA, that player cannot step foot on the field of play.
emmisu

Monterey, TN

#7 Sep 9, 2011
Thanks for the info FB Queen. Very informative. So exactly how does an athlete from UT Knoxville who is "released" for acadmemic ineligibility become academically eligible at UTM. Didn't the new guy from Connecticut sit on the sideline not dressed out all year last year due to academic ineligibility also?
Brilliant

Monterey, TN

#8 Sep 9, 2011
UT Martin's web site says a transfer student who has completed at least 12 credit hours at another university has to have a GPA of 2.0 for admission. Doesn't matter what their ACT, SAT or high school GPA was.
FB Queen

United States

#9 Sep 9, 2011
Was he released for "academic ineligibility" or "Poor academic performance"? I have not seen that press release.

Once you become a transfer student, ACT score and HS GPA do not figure into your academic eligibility status. That is true whether you are an athlete or not.

You are right, Brilliant -- for someone who is a general student (not a student-athlete) to transfer, they must meet the requirements you state. BUT a student-athlete must meet those AND the NCAA standards (the double standard I wrote about). I feel sure that Mr. Hughes must meet both or the NCAA would not have certified him as eligible. And the NCAA does have the final word on who is eligible and who is not.
firstchance

Longview, TX

#10 Sep 11, 2011
So how about posting UTM's admittance standard regarding HS GPA and ACT score for incoming freshmen as compared to the same minimum NCAA standards for transferring athletes to UTM. It would be interesting to see and should clear this up for everyone.
emmisu

Monterey, TN

#11 Sep 13, 2011
Well firstchance, it looks like nobody wants to post your info. UTM and Coach Simpson have a track record of recruiting D-1 rejects with criminal records, even when they haven't stepped foot on a D-1 campus yet. IE, Brian Sommer. Brian was part of the fall '08 football recruiting class which Simpson is on record referring to them as not only one of the most athletic recruiting classes but also one with the highest character. Enter Brian Sommer. Kicked out of Alcoa high school and off the state championship football team in the fall of '07 for drug violations. Lost scholarship offers from Tennessee, South Carolina and several other SEC schools. No one wanted him. He was involved in another unsavory incident early that summer involving a handgun in a car. Simpson nabs him anyway to enhance his football team with full knowledge of Sommer's bad record. Brought him to UTM eventhough his actions would typically result in expulsion or suspension at any university. While a student at UTM, Sommer is identified in the Weakley County Press as the football player who claimed to be the target of racial slurs at a fraternity house. The next night, one of those fraternity brothers was jumped and beaten by several of the UTM football players. Two months later, Brian Sommer is arrested in Weakley County and later indicted by the Weakley County Grand Jury for two counts of evading arrest, two counts of possession of drugs, violation of stop sign, leaving the scene of an accident and speeding. A recruiting class of the "highest character." As I mentioned earlier, Coach Simpson's standards are not equal to most folks around here, but everyone turns their head because its UTM Football. Maybe UTM should have used that scholarship money to give to an incoming freshman of high character and academic standards instead. Keep 'em coming coach.

http://www.volnation.com/forum/tennessee-high...

http://govolsxtra.com/news/2007/sep/11/alcoas...

http://www.nwtntoday.com/news.php...

http://www.nwtntoday.com/news.php...

https://host1.bondwaresite.com/~nwtntoday/new...
Here It Is

Monterey, TN

#12 Sep 15, 2011
Wow dude! Where'd you get all that info. Mr. Sommer is certainly sure to be on my guest list for my next dinner party.(NOT!!!) I'm sure there are plenty of others that fit this "category" of player. UTM tells them, "We'll give you a chance. We think everyone deserves a second (or 3rd or 4th, etc) chance. Come be a part of our "family" and we'll take care of you. We'll even protect you against the administration as long as you are being productive on the fb field." But lo, when they mess up to much, they will be expendable. There are enough bad folks around here. We don't need to purposefully add to the local criminal population do we?
football junky

Martin, TN

#13 Sep 15, 2011
Boy...seems like yall have an axe to grind with Coach Simpson.
FB Queen

Martin, TN

#14 Sep 15, 2011
UTM Admissions requirements for Transfers:
http://www.utm.edu/departments/admissions/tra...

UTM Admissions requirements for First Time Fresh:
http://www.utm.edu/departments/admissions/fre...

NCAA Requirements for first time freshmen:
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/nc...

NCAA Requirements for maintaining eligibility:
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NC...

For NCAA Eligibility, student-athletes who transfer must meet the requirements for maintaining as well as the university's requirements. Biggest difference between University requirements and NCAA requirements for a first time freshman are that NCAA only uses the 16 "core" courses - a student cannot count vo-tech, ag, PE, etc. in their calculation of grade point average; only can use the 16 'core courses'.

I hope all of the links go through properly.
firstchance

United States

#15 Sep 19, 2011
football junky wrote:
Boy...seems like yall have an axe to grind with Coach Simpson.
Why does there have to be an axe to grind? Someone should point out what is going on under your community's noses. Most, but not all, of these comments make sense. Like I said earlier, no one pays attention to what goes on in UTM football. Apparently, student organiztion support is so poor that UTM is even offering to suit up each fraternity's "best" player just to gain student support. This is strong evidence of the lack of interest not just on the community's part but also on the student population's part. What's next, homecoming for every home game just to increase attendance? The need for gimics and promotions is pathetic and a shameful tactic to gain interest in an already failing situation.
football junky

Martin, TN

#16 Sep 19, 2011
oh right, im forgetting that some in this forum believe that the UTM Football team is the leading cause of crime in Weakley County. If some were as worried about students at their high schools and jr. highs than maybe you would be doing the county more good.
Curious

Cookeville, TN

#17 Sep 20, 2011
I believe EMMISU needs to spit out the REAL reason they are so pissed off..... been around the block a few times , kicked in the back , accussed , throwed off a horse or 2 , lied to and cheated on..... come on Emmisu...... did your child not make the Team or what ? Truth helps to heel the soul .
Here It Is

Monterey, TN

#18 Sep 21, 2011
football junky wrote:
oh right, im forgetting that some in this forum believe that the UTM Football team is the leading cause of crime in Weakley County. If some were as worried about students at their high schools and jr. highs than maybe you would be doing the county more good.
Well lets see. I don't see anyone on this thread stating that the UTM football team is the leading cause of crime in Weakley County. UTM is a PUBLIC institution is it not? As such, isn't it imputed upon the administration and staff, including football coaches, not to willfully, knowingly and intentionally bring known violent individuals to campus or use the citizens of Tennessee's tax dollars to support such persons? Or am I just crazy to be concerned about the safety of students and the community?
football junky

Martin, TN

#19 Sep 21, 2011
oh yes...now your tax dollars pay for athletic scholarships. yall need to get off your self indignation and find another topic that is truly worth the time. Here it is does not understand sarcasm.
Nosretoom

Murray, KY

#20 Sep 22, 2011
Yea, I can't wait to see how Simpson's "thugs" get that ass kicked tonight by Murray State. Maybe then he'll quit trying to cement himself into the community using his children, church, etc. and GTFO!!!

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