We're going over the fiscal cliff ???
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#1 Dec 27, 2012
Maybe the politicians will jump off a real cliff.....they don't seem to care about the people that elected them. They all have 'golden parachutes' so the after effects won't hurt them.
#2 Dec 27, 2012
How much would falling off the fiscal cliff cost individuals in taxes? For starters..... according to the Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan research group, going off the cliff would affect 88 percent of U.S. taxpayers, with their taxes rising by an average of $3,500 a year. This is just the beginning. Unemployment checks would end and who knows what else would happen. A recession in 2013!
This is all because some Republicans don't want the rich to pay a little more in taxes like they did when Bill Clinton was in office...The ironic part is, the rich are willing to pay their fair share! The rich did just fine when Clinton raised their taxes!
#3 Dec 27, 2012
If you think the rich are those making 250,000 dollars, better go talk to a business owner (that has everything he owns invested) that actually creat and pay for the salary of those JOBS. Obama is no Bill Clinton and will never be. The fiscal cliff has been made worst by non stop spending from the Obama administration.Remember he was the one going to cut the debt in half but instead increased it. Guess where it is headed for the next 4 years? Raising taxes without Spending Cuts will never work when you are 17 TRILLION Dollars in debt. Duh!??! Oh Yeah the news is everyones taxes will be going up and all we heard from Obama in the election is only the rich will be taxed more. Hummmmm Have we all been Played? Again.
#4 Dec 27, 2012
The answer to this unsustainable deficit debt of 17 trillion in the US is not taxing the population that earn more than 250 thousand a year, by doing that it would only keep the government afloat for 1 week, what about the other 51 weeks left in the year ??
Better solution would be to cut back on all the free handouts that the present administration has increased by 6 trillion dollars in the last 4 years. If you go by the democrat logic = Take from the rich and give to the poor , didn't that fairy tale play out with Robin Hood. Need to quit the rampage of increased spending for all these social programs offering free hand outs in every area of existence.
Sum it up like this Repubs want spending cuts and caps on welfare/social spending. Demos want unlimited spending for everything under the sun. End result a stalemate in Washington with either side willing to budge is why were going over the Cliff.
If America goes bankrupt with more and more Democrat endless spending it won't matter if it's a cliff,grade, hill or bump in the road were ALL done.
Since: Aug 10
#5 Dec 28, 2012
Because the GOP has for years survived by claiming fiscal superiority and relying largely on uneducated constituents who will spread that message. Never mind how the Congressional Budget Committee can actually find NO EVIDENCE that lower taxes for the rich helps spur job growth at all. If it did, we would have been awash in jobs by the end of Bush's 2 terms, after he lowered taxes across the board in his first year. Instead, by the end of his administration, we were losing 750,000 jobs a months and were in economic ruin.
None of this is partisan, either. These are just facts.
#6 Dec 28, 2012
A government official that "feared" they would lose their job if they didn't represent their constituents wishes is a "good" government official.
However, the operative key to the formula is "Enough People". Politicians have no reason to fear their Citizens because we are so divided. They make sure of that by promoting fear among us. Look at us.....to even admit that we are afraid shows they have the upper hand and always will. There is no money in looking out for the majority of the American people. As a matter of fact, it costs money which the majority on the Hill wants to discontinue, and they want to do this by convincing us that it would mean lower taxes for taxpayers to do so. Ha! Not gonna happen. It only means that more tax dollars will go into their offshore accounts.
#7 Dec 28, 2012
We went off the "fiscal cliff" years ago
#8 Dec 28, 2012
Sitting on the top of the CLIFF waiting to drop over.
Appears its going to happen.
I didn't vote for him>
#9 Dec 29, 2012
This will be good. the unemployment benefits stop..have to love that so these folks get off the govt gravy train. Also a lot of farm subsidy stops, farm folks have made a lot of $ past several years, that will stop.
#10 Dec 29, 2012
Yeah! Brilliant!.......$7.00 a gallon milk sounds good doesn't it?
Since: Apr 12
#11 Dec 30, 2012
If that's the market value, so be it.
#12 Dec 30, 2012
Republicans know the nation has a deficit, but refuse to raise taxes so the added revenue can reduce the deficit. They claim this will kill jobs.
But President Obama only wants to tax the rich, not the Middle Class. So, someone who takes in one million dollars a year would still take home $12,000,... that's TWELVE THOUSAND DOLLARS per week, if the Bush tax cuts expire and go back to the Clinton era tax rates.
Someone kindly explain to me why the Republicans are defending these rich people from kicking in 3.6% more each year? The GOP likes calling people making over $250,000 a year "job creators, when no such proof exists.
Show us the jobs they created and I dont mean the ones in China, India and Mexico. Today, there is no shortage of "trust fund babies. Such people have earned their millions the Paris Hilton way.
And these are the folks that today's Republicans believe have been taxed too much. But Ronald Reagan didn't seem to agree when he said in a very public speech that the wealthy should contribute more.
"We're going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share," he thunders to a crowd in Georgia. Such tax loopholes, he adds, "sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying 10 percent of his salary and that's crazy." - Ronald Reagan (1985)
Now, if Reagan recognized the rich get over by not paying their fair share, how come all of the GOP supporters dont get it? I am sure theres an app for that.
#13 Dec 30, 2012
Start drug testing EVERYONE on foodstamps. If they fail, drop their asses off of every form of government assistance. If they can't pass a drug test to work, they shouldn't be rewarded by getting welfare. Go after all of the dead beat parents, so their children won't have to go hungry.
#14 Dec 31, 2012
With the high cost of corn, thats what its worth. You rely to much on the government..they have subsidized milk for years, keeping it artificially low. The one that gets hurt the most on this is public schools.
#15 Dec 31, 2012
The Republicans at moment have produced a bill to avert over the Cliff. And of course the Democrats have nothing written or verbal.
Time to reflect on this Democrat president and senate.
You would think a newly re-elected president would be more hands on.
He got re-elected by people that wanted the gravy train to keep rolling and the richer americans to front there life style.
For all you nay sayers that rant republicans are bad this should be a wake up call to jump ship before America goes down the drain.
#16 Jan 1, 2013
Obama the squatter will resign this time
#17 Jan 1, 2013
Here's how each U.S. Senator voted on the measure:
Daniel Akaka (D-Hawaii)- YEA
Lamar Alexander (R-Tennessee) YEA
Kelly Ayotte (R-New Hampshire) YEA
John Barrasso (R-Wyoming)YEA
Max Baucus (D-Montana) YEA
Mark Begich (D-Alaska) YEA
Michael Bennett (D-Colorado) NAY
Jeff Bingaman (D-New Mexico) YEA
Richard Blumenthal (D-Connecticut) YEA
Roy Blunt (R-Missouri) YEA
John Boozman (R-Arkansas) YEA
Barbara Boxer (D-California) YEA
Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) YEA
Scott Brown (R-Massachusetts) YEA
Richard Burr (R-North Carolina) YEA
Maria Cantwell (D-Washington) YEA
Ben Cardin (D-Maryland) YEA
Tom Carper (D-Delaware) NAY
Bob Casey (D-Pennsylvania) YEA
Saxby Chambliss (R-Georgia) YEA
Dan Coats (R-Indiana) YEA
Tom Coburn (R-Oklahoma) YEA
Thad Cochran (R-Mississippi) YEA
Susan Collins (R-Maine) YEA
Kent Conrad (D-North Dakota) YEA
Chris Coons (D-Delaware) YEA
Bob Corker (R-Tennessee) YEA
John Cornyn (R-Texas) YEA
Mike Crapo (R-Idaho) YEA
Jim DeMint (R-South Carolina) NOT VOTING
Dick Durbin (D-Illinois) YEA
Mike Enzi (R-Wyoming) YEA
Dianne Feinstein (D-California) YEA
Al Franken (D-Minnesota) YEA
Kirsten Gillibrand (D-New York) YEA
Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina) YEA
Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) NAY
Kay Hagan (D-North Carolina) YEA
Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) NAY
Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) YEA
Dean Heller (R-Nevada) YEA
John Hoeven (R-North Dakota) YEA
Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-Texas) YEA
James Inhofe (R-Oklahoma) YEA
Johnny Isakson (R-Georgia) YEA
Mike Johanns (R-Nebraska) YEA
Timothy Johnson (D-South Dakota) YEA
Ron Johnson (R-Wisconsin) YEA
John Kerry (D-Massachusetts) YEA
Mark Kirk (R-Illinois) NOT VOTING
Amy Klobuchar (D-Minnesota) YEA
Herb Kohl (D-Wisconsin) YEA
John Kyl (R-Arizona) YEA
Mary Landrieu (D-Louisiana) YEA
Frank Lautenberg (D-New Jersey) NOT VOTING
Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont) YEA
Mike Lee (R-Utah) NAY
Carl Levin (D-Michigan) YEA
Joe Lieberman (I/D-Connecticut) YEA
Richard Lugar (R-Indiana) YEA
Joe Manchin (D-West Virginia) YEA
John McCain (R-Arizona) YEA
Claire McCaskill (D-Missouri) YEA
Mitch McConnell (R-Kentucky, Minority Leader) YEA
Robert Menendez (D-New Jersey) YEA
Jeff Merkley (D-Oregon) YEA
Barbara Mikulksi (D-Maryland) YEA
Jerry Moran (R-Kansas) YEA
Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) YEA
Patty Murray (D-Washington) YEA
Bill Nelson (D-Florida) YEA
Ben Nelson (D-Nebraska) YEA
Rand Paul (R-Kentucky) NAY
Rob Portman (R-Ohio) YEA
Mark Pryor (D-Arkansas) YEA
Jack Reed (D-Rhode Island) YEA
Harry Reid (D-Nevada, Majority Leader) YEA
Jim Risch (R-Idaho) YEA
Pat Roberts (R-Kansas) YEA
Jay Rockefeller (D-West Virginia) YEA
Marco Rubio (R-Florida) NAY
Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont) YEA
Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii) YEA
Chuck Schumer (D-New York) YEA
Jeff Sessions (R-Alabama) YEA
Jeanne Shaheen (D-New Hampshire) YEA
Richard Shelby (R-Alabama) NAY
Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) YEA
Debbie Stabenow (D-Michigan) YEA
Jon Tester (D-Montana) YEA
John Thune (R-South Dakota) YEA
Pat Toomey (R-Pennsylvania) YEA
Mark Udall (D-Colorado) YEA
Tom Udall (D-New Mexico) YEA
David Vitter (R-Louisiana) YEA
Mark Warner (D-Virginia) YEA
Jim Webb (D-Virginia) YEA
Sheldon Whitehouse (D-Rhode Island) YEA
Roger Wicker (R-Mississippi) YEA
Ron Wyden (D-Oregon) YEA
#19 Jan 1, 2013
Voted on what measure ?
#20 Jan 1, 2013
House leader John Boener will convince them to vote yes. If they don't vote yes that will make Senate Republicans very mad.
#21 Jan 1, 2013
Being a senator or congressman is not about being mad or happy.
It's about doing the right things and making good moral decision's for the good of the United States.
That is why we TRY to only send the right people there to represent us.
Not sure why we have the current president.
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