old First Baptist now Habitat property

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Dennis Lail

Monroe, NC

#1 Aug 4, 2011
According to attorney Bobby Griffin "it's a win win for Habitat and First Baptist". Someone anonymously donated half of the purchase price of $250k and Habitat put up half. Habitat gets the property valued at over 2 Mil (but needing a mil in repairs I hear) and First Baptist pays off a large part of it's mortgage on the new church.

Habitat indicates they are looking for a buyer. They only have 125K in it so it will go cheap unless they sink a boat load of money in repairs.

Since: Sep 10

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#2 Aug 4, 2011
Dennis I'm sure you know who donated the 125,000. He also donated toward the construction costs. I've heard him say that the old church was what was holding them back so I'm sure they are glad to be out from under it. The upkeep and especially heating it in the winter was like throwing money to the wind but they had to do it or the old pipes and everything would burst.

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#3 Aug 4, 2011
Dennis, I'm sure you know who donated the 125,000. He was one of the people that helped raise the money for the construction and worked out the sewer and water contract after they had that dispute with the county. I heard him say one time that the old church was cost a fortune to keep up and it was a lot cheaper to build new than repair, replace and renovate the old church. Bob Chandler told Dan that the upkeep and heating it this past winter cost them a lot of money but they had to do it or all the pipes in the walls would burst. Mr Pope would go over there every evening and check on things and adjust the thermostat. Bob said another thing that cost a fortune was insurance. Insurance on an unoccupied building is like 3 times what it is on one that people are in regularly. Anyway I know they are glad to be out of it. Now Habitat has to worry about it.

See, us Baptists are smarter than you give us credit for.

“Seeking reality & civilization”

Since: Oct 10

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#4 Aug 4, 2011
Mike Stegall wrote:
See, us Baptists are smarter than you give us credit for.
Smarter, or "slicker"???:=)
Dennis Lail

Monroe, NC

#5 Aug 5, 2011
hahahahaha you guys are whack! Yes Mike I know. I'm happy for him and the church. He's always been a generous man and a dedicated Christian. God bless him. He's done a lot of good things for people around town and he doesn't seek recognition for what he has done. He does it out of Christian love for his fellow man.
Mike...Y'all are still members at Gilboa, right? I saw Dan and family at Marshville Baptist Sunday. Visiting I guess. I don't think they have moved their letter.
Nobody

Charlotte, NC

#6 Aug 6, 2011
I assume Habitat going to sell the church building to someone who will turn it into a bar and since there are no restrictions on its use. Or Humm- habitat daycare in the basement- thrift store in the Sunday School romms- make the office areas into a homeless shelter- some area will be used as a drug rehab- Front steps offer plenty of seating for pan handling- D J every Sat night. Crap Here we go again!!! I've lived here 30+ years but it's time to go.
Larry

Monroe, NC

#7 Aug 6, 2011
Our Associate Pastor at Austins Grove Baptist told me we have 3 new members who used to belong to First Baptist of Marshville. They are elderly and live on the town side of 74. They didn't want to have to cross 74's traffic to get to church.
Former Member

Monroe, NC

#8 Aug 6, 2011
Actually that was former mayor Bobby Griffin who said that. He is a member and chairman of the board of deacons, which is no longer called the board of deacons but something else. First Baptist has gone way off base in the last year or so. We left. We are looking for a church that follows the bible, not their own personal interests.

“I am (That Guy)”

Since: Oct 10

Down the Dirt Rd.

#9 Aug 7, 2011
Former Member wrote:
Actually that was former mayor Bobby Griffin who said that. He is a member and chairman of the board of deacons, which is no longer called the board of deacons but something else. First Baptist has gone way off base in the last year or so. We left. We are looking for a church that follows the bible, not their own personal interests.
It it now called "The Elder Board" ~C~

“I am (That Guy)”

Since: Oct 10

Down the Dirt Rd.

#10 Aug 7, 2011
I am Proud to say that.. This is my church. Yes!We have had a rough year, but we are still a church and we have a GREAT Church Family.. We are all hoping and praying that the old church building goes to where it need to. ;)

Chris
Former member also

Indian Trail, NC

#11 Aug 8, 2011
Now the elder board can consist of women which is not biblical. Hogs word is not for compromise
Southern Baptist

Monroe, NC

#12 Aug 8, 2011
Former member also wrote:
Now the elder board can consist of women which is not biblical. Hogs word is not for compromise
I will respectfully disagree with those who say the scripture says that only men can be deacons and ministers.

First let us examine Romans 16:1 "Now I commend to you our sister Phoebe, who is a servant of the church in Cenchrea". The word "servant" here denotes some authority since Phoebe is obviously being pointed out as someone in charge.

In fact, in the Greek translation the word "servant" is occasionally translated as "minister," or as "deacon." Translated as "minister" in 2 Cor 3:6; Eph 3:7; 6:21; Col 1:7, 23, 25; 4:7; and as "deacon" in Phil 1:1; 1 Tim 3:8, 12.

First Timothy 3:11 "Likewise also their wives must be dignified, not slanderous, temperate, faithful in every respect." This verse is in the middle of a discussion of the qualifications for deacons.

Paul's instructions to the church are a bit ambiguous. I personally think the ancient churches had females in the roles of minister, deacon and other leadership roles. As time passed, because society back then was so male dominated that women were pushed into subservant roles.

I have heard women preachers who, no doubt in my mind, were speaking God's word and spoke that word with authority of the Bible and loving grace from almighty God.

Don't say women cannot be preachers of the word. I have seen proof otherwise!
The truth

Indian Trail, NC

#13 Aug 8, 2011
Gods word clearly states that men are to be deacons. In first Timothy 3:11 he is talking about how the deacons wives are to carry themselves. Gods word is clear. This is what's wrong with America today. People have watered down the bible to make it read what they want to believe.
Carter Pewterschmidt

Monroe, NC

#14 Aug 8, 2011
The truth wrote:
Gods word clearly states that men are to be deacons. In first Timothy 3:11 he is talking about how the deacons wives are to carry themselves. Gods word is clear. This is what's wrong with America today. People have watered down the bible to make it read what they want to believe.
I respectfully disagree. You didn't read what I wrote or, at the least, you didn't comprehend what I wrote. It's clear Paul is indicating that Phoebe was a woman of power and the Greek word here has multiple meanings. The one most closed mind people take is "servant" but it can also mean "minister". You take the definition that she was a servant and I'll take the definition that she was a minister.

The implication of you who believe that only men can serve the ministry is that women were more sinful than men and unclean which is preposterous.

Phoebe was a human being. Can human beings serve as preachers, ministers and Deacons....absolutely.

Is there a difference in reproductive organs and urine elimination that makes a woman less fit to serve God than man? If there is PLEASE tell us!
Check It Out

Wingate, NC

#15 Aug 8, 2011
Dennis Lail wrote:
According to attorney Bobby Griffin "it's a win win for Habitat and First Baptist". Someone anonymously donated half of the purchase price of $250k and Habitat put up half. Habitat gets the property valued at over 2 Mil (but needing a mil in repairs I hear) and First Baptist pays off a large part of it's mortgage on the new church.
Habitat indicates they are looking for a buyer. They only have 125K in it so it will go cheap unless they sink a boat load of money in repairs.
The Home News stated that a donation for $125000 was given if the membership matched a $125000 donation. The membership did that according to the paper. If that is the case the church gave the old church to Habitat.

Since: Jul 09

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#16 Aug 8, 2011
I'm a Methodist. Our church has had several women ministers and they have all been very good.

Here is an article I found on the internet supporting Women as ministers, deacons and elders in the church. This man's proof is biblical.

This Article was taken from Trumpet Wind email list. TrumpetWindList@TrumpetWind.

by Pastor Keith A. Smith

1. There is not one Scripture in the Bible that forbids women from preaching, but on the contrary, there are many verses that encourage both men and women to preach the Gospel.

2. The Bible teaches that God is not a respecter of persons, and He will use any and all who will yield to Him, regardless of race, age, or sex.

Galatians 3:28 - "...neither male nor female...for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

Acts 10:34 - "...God is no respecter of persons...."

Moses said in Numbers 11:29, "Would God that all the Lord's people were prophets, and that the Lord would put His spirit upon them!"
The crying need of the hour is for more laborers. It is a trick of the enemy to try to down rate thousands of our faithful laborers just because they were born females.

3. The Great Commission, Mark 16:15, "Preach the Gospel," is to ALL believers, and to all the church of Jesus Christ. The command to "preach the Gospel" is to both male and female.

4. It is an undeniable fact that God has called and anointed thousands of women to preach the Gospel. The Full Gospel organizations have hundreds of licensed and ordained women who are preaching, teaching, evangelizing, pastoring, and doing mission work with the signs following their ministry. God is using them for the salvation of the lost, deliverance from sin, gifts of the Spirit, and infilling of the Holy Spirit.

The Bible says, "Touch not mine anointed and do my prophets no harm." And may we be reminded of the Scripture in Acts 5:39, "If it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God."

When someone says, "God does not call women to preach," it is like saying that God does not baptize with the Holy Spirit today. We know better, because we have witnessed and experienced it with our own ears and eyes.

I would be afraid to condemn women preachers, lest I would be found to be fighting against God, and to be committing the vile sin of attributing the works of the Holy Spirit to the devil.

5. Women preachers are a fulfillment of Bible Prophecy and another sign of Christ's soon return to earth (Joel 2:28; Acts 2:17-18).
Dr Byron Ward Phd

Monroe, NC

#17 Aug 10, 2011
I don't know why people still believe in the fairy tales and Jewish History in that book you people call "a Bible". No one has ever satisfactorily proved the existence of a "God". This Jesus fellow went around with his assistants he called disciples conning people with tricks and magic. Have you ever stopped to think about how evil it is to perpetuate these myths and teach them to gullible people. How evil it is for preachers and other religious fakers to make people feel so guilty about their mistakes and sins that they profess to be "saved". They dunk them underwater, proclaim them cleanand then they run out and sin again. Ludicrous! Get real people. It's a sham.
One Who Knows Better

Matthews, NC

#18 Aug 10, 2011
Dr Byron Ward Phd wrote:
I don't know why people still believe in the fairy tales and Jewish History in that book you people call "a Bible". No one has ever satisfactorily proved the existence of a "God". This Jesus fellow went around with his assistants he called disciples conning people with tricks and magic. Have you ever stopped to think about how evil it is to perpetuate these myths and teach them to gullible people. How evil it is for preachers and other religious fakers to make people feel so guilty about their mistakes and sins that they profess to be "saved". They dunk them underwater, proclaim them cleanand then they run out and sin again. Ludicrous! Get real people. It's a sham.
There is nothing in the Bible that can actually be disproved.
But I won't waste time arguing religion with you, even though there are historical discoveries made almost daily that continue to substantiate the facts contained in the Bible.

However, I will take the time to point out how overly inflated your ego and your estimation of your own knowledge is.
And there is positive proof of that!
It is totally improper to use the title of 'Dr' and 'Phd' together.

It's probably been pointed out to you previously, but you can't seem to resist trying to make sure others are duely impressed by you.

NOT!!!

Since: Sep 10

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#19 Aug 11, 2011
Let me just say to Dr. Ward that if you chose to live your life without faith that is your business. You obviously have a lot of anger toward religion and Christians in particular. I'm sure there is a reason for that anger.

As a Christian I'll pray for you and your healing even though I know you don't want my prayers and may curse me for praying for you.

As a Christian I won't apologize to you. If you are offended by my Christianity you'll just have to ignore it or get used to it. I'm not going to change.

As a Christian I want to share the love and good news of Jesus Christ with you but I know at this stage in your life you will not be receptive. You will probably be confrontational and abusive toward me if I do. Instead I will continue to pray for you and show you that every day I have a great joy in my life. I hope that someday you will recognize that joy and ask me about it. Then I will know you are ready to hear the good news.
MollyPop

Matthews, NC

#20 Aug 11, 2011
Mike Stegall wrote:
Let me just say to Dr. Ward that if you chose to live your life without faith that is your business. You obviously have a lot of anger toward religion and Christians in particular. I'm sure there is a reason for that anger.
As a Christian I'll pray for you and your healing even though I know you don't want my prayers and may curse me for praying for you.
As a Christian I won't apologize to you. If you are offended by my Christianity you'll just have to ignore it or get used to it. I'm not going to change.
As a Christian I want to share the love and good news of Jesus Christ with you but I know at this stage in your life you will not be receptive. You will probably be confrontational and abusive toward me if I do. Instead I will continue to pray for you and show you that every day I have a great joy in my life. I hope that someday you will recognize that joy and ask me about it. Then I will know you are ready to hear the good news.
Very well said.
Displays the true essence of Christianity.

It's always hard to see how anyone can find something in it that
seems to offend them.

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