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confused

New Columbia, PA

#1 Apr 24, 2010
I was young when all this went down with him, but Im interested in finding out more, can anyone tell me what they know...
hello

United States

#2 Apr 25, 2010
what do you want to know? put your email on here and i will send you everything that i have
me too

Marshall, IL

#3 Apr 27, 2010
[email protected] i would like that info please hello.

Since: Jan 11

League City, TX

#4 Jan 23, 2011
Hi this is Jerry Povich we just came across this thread on Topix and from what we have heard Fred Grabbe got what you might say screwed over like the gentleman in Edgar County, Steidl and Whitlock so what are you ideas on this for all our viewers in Marshall Il?
STFU_Mr_Povich

Gulf Breeze, FL

#5 Jun 3, 2011
You obviously don't know shit about this case. Grabbe was as guilty as guilty gets. As for the case in Edgar county saying these two were convicted unjustly is just absurd and if you feel so strongly about it then maybe you had some involvement yourself, but I would hope your smarter than that. For crying out loud Estill Whitaker plowed his truck into the Clark county jail attempting to free Grabbe while he was being held there, then he had his only son killed to prevent him from testifying against him. Come on now an idiot can see from his(Grabbes) own testimony and the facts presented in the case that he is exactly where he needs to be and I hope for the family's sake he stays there till he dies. Mr. Povich do us all a favor and just drop it! You obviously don't know shit to begin with!

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Punxsutawney, PA

#6 Jun 5, 2011
who cares he is old and ready to die in prison anyway, then a more powerful being will deal with him.
perhaps

United States

#7 Jun 10, 2011
Testimony in court is false- perjury is top accepted as "facts" - Mafia involved- crooked lawyer in Terre Haute involved.
Only the Lord knows the truth- others knowing were shut up by threats.

Old man on Derby hill was struck by car.

Threat to kill grandchild shut Fred up from telling facts on Mafia .

Mafia doing number on businesses in Terre Haute at time. Apple house, Graham Grain The Mall and others.
Grabbe was used to testify over there- for the bad guys at request of lawyer- Fred thought he was " forcing the truth from people when he was in fact forcing them to perjury testimony.
Wife "done in " because divorce - She may choose to tell what she knew of Fred's being used by others.
More to story than you may know.
Fred is paying for his wrongdoings. Others " got by " blaming Fred"-- Eternity is too long to do wrong- others will be spending it in Hell

Illinois courts are real corrupt- world all over getting much worse.
Dog Lover

Martinsville, IL

#8 Jun 10, 2011
perhaps wrote:
Testimony in court is false- perjury is top accepted as "facts" - Mafia involved- crooked lawyer in Terre Haute involved.
Only the Lord knows the truth- others knowing were shut up by threats.
Old man on Derby hill was struck by car.
Threat to kill grandchild shut Fred up from telling facts on Mafia .
Mafia doing number on businesses in Terre Haute at time. Apple house, Graham Grain The Mall and others.
Grabbe was used to testify over there- for the bad guys at request of lawyer- Fred thought he was " forcing the truth from people when he was in fact forcing them to perjury testimony.
Wife "done in " because divorce - She may choose to tell what she knew of Fred's being used by others.
More to story than you may know.
Fred is paying for his wrongdoings. Others " got by " blaming Fred"-- Eternity is too long to do wrong- others will be spending it in Hell
Illinois courts are real corrupt- world all over getting much worse.
WOW are you really from Gallapolis? My grandmother was born there and I never met her. She died before I was born. Never been to Gallapolis but I have it on my bucket list. My husband got called to act a juror in Grabbe case. He showed up in biker outfit on his motorcycle and they passed on him. He did not want on jury because everyone around here at the time was afraid of Fred. He was a scary gentleman.
dee

Terre Haute, IN

#9 Jun 22, 2011
i never personally knew fred but i will say this, heard he was a real nice guy and did anything for anyone unless he was pissed, have talked to alot of older guys that knew him and were around him alot, i work with a few of them. i know he has more kids out there than what people know about, ill leave it at that
Kori Whitchurch

Kansas City, MO

#10 Apr 18, 2015
Has anyone every tried to look or find the head of that poor women
bad deal

Terre Haute, IN

#11 Apr 22, 2015
Kori Whitchurch wrote:
Has anyone every tried to look or find the head of that poor women
They found her scull. The show forensic files has a show about this murder. I saw a rerun of it a few days ago. I lived in Marshall at that time he definitely killed her.
DUH

Terre Haute, IN

#12 Apr 22, 2015
Watch the show again and you'll see they did NOT find her skull.
Ifonly

Terre Haute, IN

#13 May 6, 2015
Fred Grabbe was the first person in Illinois ever convicted of first degree murder with out the presence of a body. The details are extremely gruesome and should not be shared on a public forum. Due to eye witness accounts and physical evidence justice was served. He deserves to rot awayw. Although, it won't be much longer due to his health. He murdered Charlotte in cold blood. Premeditated her murder and caused an enormous amount of pain for their family.
yep

West Frankfort, IL

#14 May 9, 2015
Fred has been dead for years...cancer
yoo

Champaign, IL

#15 May 12, 2015
yep wrote:
Fred has been dead for years...cancer
You better do your home work he's not dead
not yoo

Highland Park, IL

#17 May 26, 2015
yep wrote:
Fred has been dead for years...cancer
uh....not exactly.

Not only is he still alive, he's eligible for parole in 7 years (2022).

Here's where to find him: https://www.illinois.gov/idoc/OFFENDER/Pages/...
blackjack

La Porte, TX

#18 Sep 5, 2015
STFU_Mr_Povich wrote:
You obviously don't know shit about this case. Grabbe was as guilty as guilty gets. As for the case in Edgar county saying these two were convicted unjustly is just absurd and if you feel so strongly about it then maybe you had some involvement yourself, but I would hope your smarter than that. For crying out loud Estill Whitaker plowed his truck into the Clark county jail attempting to free Grabbe while he was being held there, then he had his only son killed to prevent him from testifying against him. Come on now an idiot can see from his(Grabbes) own testimony and the facts presented in the case that he is exactly where he needs to be and I hope for the family's sake he stays there till he dies. Mr. Povich do us all a favor and just drop it! You obviously don't know shit to begin with!
Can you help me with Estill Whitaker? My family is from Marshall and a Whitaker is my Great Uncle.
knew his son jeff

Robinson, IL

#19 Sep 11, 2015
perhaps wrote:
Testimony in court is false- perjury is top accepted as "facts" - Mafia involved- crooked lawyer in Terre Haute involved.
Only the Lord knows the truth- others knowing were shut up by threats.
Old man on Derby hill was struck by car.
Threat to kill grandchild shut Fred up from telling facts on Mafia .
Mafia doing number on businesses in Terre Haute at time. Apple house, Graham Grain The Mall and others.
Grabbe was used to testify over there- for the bad guys at request of lawyer- Fred thought he was " forcing the truth from people when he was in fact forcing them to perjury testimony.
Wife "done in " because divorce - She may choose to tell what she knew of Fred's being used by others.
More to story than you may know.
Fred is paying for his wrongdoings. Others " got by " blaming Fred"-- Eternity is too long to do wrong- others will be spending it in Hell
Illinois courts are real corrupt- world all over getting much worse.
Jeff was not like his dad. Sure he got in some trouble but wasn't violent that anybody talked about. His dad would call him names , mainly if his dad started some trouble and put somebody down if Jeff didn't participate and kick them when they were down he would slap him around and call him names. What grandchild was threatened? The one wanted in 3 or 4 counties for stripping buildings down to bare walls for scrap (Marshall, Robinson & Mattoon) & then going overseas to be a terrorist or his worthless brother who ran his dad's business in the ground & got off the hook for for not paying taxes or unemployment to his workers or their vacation time that was owed, "paper products" was the business.
CarlaVan

Kensington, MD

#21 Mar 28, 2016
STFU_Mr_Povich wrote:
You obviously don't know shit about this case. Grabbe was as guilty as guilty gets. As for the case in Edgar county saying these two were convicted unjustly is just absurd and if you feel so strongly about it then maybe you had some involvement yourself, but I would hope your smarter than that. For crying out loud Estill Whitaker plowed his truck into the Clark county jail attempting to free Grabbe while he was being held there, then he had his only son killed to prevent him from testifying against him. Come on now an idiot can see from his(Grabbes) own testimony and the facts presented in the case that he is exactly where he needs to be and I hope for the family's sake he stays there till he dies. Mr. Povich do us all a favor and just drop it! You obviously don't know shit to begin with!
Well said--BTW, I'm doing a bit of research myself , and for personal reasons , am curious to know the date and place of birth of this most disgusting of men, fred grabbe--anyone know ? Can't find in bio
I know

United States

#22 Mar 28, 2016
knew his son jeff wrote:
<quoted text>
Jeff was not like his dad. Sure he got in some trouble but wasn't violent that anybody talked about. His dad would call him names , mainly if his dad started some trouble and put somebody down if Jeff didn't participate and kick them when they were down he would slap him around and call him names. What grandchild was threatened? The one wanted in 3 or 4 counties for stripping buildings down to bare walls for scrap (Marshall, Robinson & Mattoon) & then going overseas to be a terrorist or his worthless brother who ran his dad's business in the ground & got off the hook for for not paying taxes or unemployment to his workers or their vacation time that was owed, "paper products" was the business.
just who do you think owns Pap-R-Products?

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