UPDATE: 10 year old killed in crash, ...

UPDATE: 10 year old killed in crash, driver's license invalid

There are 36 comments on the WZZM Grand Rapids story from Sep 11, 2007, titled UPDATE: 10 year old killed in crash, driver's license invalid. In it, WZZM Grand Rapids reports that:

Wright Twp.- There's new information tonight about the accident that killed a 10-year old girl and injured her mother, brother and sister.

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“Lost my mind”

Since: Apr 07

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#22 Sep 12, 2007
abc wrote:
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not everyone who is 21 drinks. not that that is the point...this was a tragic accident. i feel awful for the girl's family...to lose a life at 10 is just unexplainable.
Loosing a child at ANY age is unexplainable, and in NO WAY was I trying to make light of this. This is travesty for the family and friends of this angel. The parents have to bury their baby, and their other kids and mom were also injured in this accident also.

I was just pointing out his age. Most 21 year olds go out at least once after they are 21. Whether it's out for one drink with friends, or they buy a 6 pack or something and bring it home. There are clubs in GR that are 18 and over at certain times and for certain events. If he went to any of those, he would have to prove his age. I still do at 33!

And driving on an expired license is almost considered the same as driving without a license in the courts. The fines/penalties are just about the same.

“Lost my mind”

Since: Apr 07

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#23 Sep 12, 2007
welcome to GR wrote:
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this started after I turned 21 but don't minors have an up and down license? over 21 is the regular sidewys one.
i wonder how many places did nothing about his license. I know someone said he might not drink and that he went to church in the area, but come on people, that many tickets and an accident already. How responsible is that? Even me from GR knows that when driving ANYWHERE in the country when road has a stop sign and one road does not.
yes they do, and it has printed "under 21" on it. So it's obvious that it's a minor's license.

He's 21 and already has an interesting record. I didn't have my first ticket until I was 21 and I haven't had one since. I'm saddened by all the accidents and loss of our young people this summer. This seems to be one of the worst summers for young people!

Since: Jul 07

Key West

#24 Sep 12, 2007
When MY 16 y/o son got a Speeding ticket, I pulled his driver's licence .

I gave it back when he turned 18.

He was not happy about it@ the time,but he is alive and well AND a lot more careful driving and respecting the laws of the road..

If he had 4 speeding tickets , he would not have gotten it back till he was 30!!

EmmaRae

Caledonia, MI

#25 Sep 12, 2007
neecer wrote:
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Loosing a child at ANY age is unexplainable, and in NO WAY was I trying to make light of this. This is travesty for the family and friends of this angel. The parents have to bury their baby, and their other kids and mom were also injured in this accident also.
I was just pointing out his age. Most 21 year olds go out at least once after they are 21. Whether it's out for one drink with friends, or they buy a 6 pack or something and bring it home. There are clubs in GR that are 18 and over at certain times and for certain events. If he went to any of those, he would have to prove his age. I still do at 33!
And driving on an expired license is almost considered the same as driving without a license in the courts. The fines/penalties are just about the same.
I feel really bad for all party's involved. It is just a horrible accident and the 21 year old is going to have to live with this for the rest of his life.

Working in the field that I do I know that lots of people do forget to renew their drivers licenses and I have to call them and say hey did you forget something. It does happen.

I didn't receive my first ticket til I was 21 too, but I do think it is different with guys, after my son who just turned 21 got his license he received 3 speeding tickets with in the two years and threatened to take is license away and he hasn't gotten one since, my 23 year old daughter just got her first speeding ticket.

Maybe this kid was trying to straighten out his life he hasn't had any tickets for 2 years, thats not to bad concidering the way he started out.

I just feel really bad for all parties involved and my thoughts and prayers are with all of them.
Stephanie

United States

#26 Sep 12, 2007
No excuse to not get a driver's license renewed. Ya don't forget because they send you a notice in the mail so that's just a BS excuse.

I used to live in Marne and like many before me, there is no way to NOT be familiar with ALL of it. That was just a piss poor excuse (again) on his part. Suck it up buddy and own up to what you did. You screwed up big time and I HOPE a judge throws the book at you. Time for you to wake-up and now that you've killed somebody, maybe, if you have HALF a brain, you will.
Wow

Grandville, MI

#27 Sep 12, 2007
Tom K wrote:
Here's a post from the Just Good New thread.
Went to 3d movie presentation last night for teacher at the Imax, then went with my friend for a late supper. Dropped her off and went on my way home and at Division and Fulton the lights behind me flashing and big horn sound blasting, so I pulled over...
Well Having been married for 20 plus years and the ex always took care of the tags for all the cars... didn't give it a thought when my birthday came and went... so I got a ticket for expired plates on my truck.$125 is what it will cost me. So my pinched back to school budget just got pinched a bit more... the young woman officer tried to let me off, she even asked if I was sure I didn't already get the tag and forgot to put it on my truck. I decided the truth was best. She apologized over and over again for writing the ticket. But I wasn't going to lie to her and end up in jail for that either!
See people do forget.....
It's a yearly responsibility. There's no excuse for forgetting. How about not waiting until the last moment to renew. Maybe go the week before. I never forget to renew either my driver's license or my plates. We all know when our birthday is, I hope.
well-

Allendale, MI

#28 Sep 12, 2007
Wonder Y wrote:
Sometimes I wonder what kind of life some of you people have. Accidents happen all the time. Why hang everybody that makes a terrible mistake. Everything he was doing was inside the law except for stopping. Maybe the guy really doesn't have the money to renew his licence. I think it is amazing how many drivers must run stop signs everyday and every hour. I will promise you one thing. Hardly any cars that run these signs end in an accident. Country roads are not patroled like they could be.( All of you right wingers want to cut taxes..remember). Why not put rumble strips at all stop signs? There really are more victims than this young girl. Her family and friends are victims and yes the 21 year old is a victim too. He will pay for this the rest of his life through guilt. I really pray that something like this doesn't happen to you becuase the people on this forum will curcify you too. Bad things happen to good people. Peace
First...if I ran a stop sign, or a red light, or whatever and it took the life of another human being, I would EXPECT to be punished. I made a mistake, but that mistake took a life from a family. It's worse when it's a little child. She was only ten. He will pay for it through guilt, but her family will pay for it by not having her there for anything. They won't get to see their oldest daughter go to junior high, or anything beyond that. They shouldn't have to pay for anything...but because he ran a stop sign, they do.
Second...as far as putting rumble strips by stop signs. That shouldn't have to be done. Not only should you be paying enough attention when you're driving to see a stop sign, but there are also yellow signs before stop signs that tell you "hey, there's a stop sign coming up". People need to pay attention when they are driving. Period. And if you aren't paying attention, and something like this happens...you should be punished. Simple as that.
Interesting

Grandville, MI

#29 Sep 12, 2007
mhl wrote:
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I know what you mean, I forgot to renew my license for almost a year. I don't use it very often, it is stuck in my wallet, I don't look at it to just to see how good looking I am! ha ha I have had 1 ticket my whole life, knock on wood, and live in a small town, I don't need it to write a check etc. So now when we register our vehicles we try to remember to drag them out for a look see. Seriously though I don't think that is a big crime. So he has had a few tickets in the last couple of years, I would be more concerned as to why he had it suspended in the first place, but this sounds to me like a terrible tragedy for both families. This is not to diminish the loss of life, which is horrible, but he wasn't speeding, he wasn't drinking, he wasn't driving recklessly. There are a lot of people who get off with hurting people by driving drunk and this guy just forgot to renew his license?!
The reason he took a life is because he wasn't paying attention and didn't stop at the big red stop sign. Whether he had a valid driver's license or not wasn't the reason for the accident;however, it is his responsibility to renew it on time.
mark hall

Coldwater, MI

#30 Sep 12, 2007
it is a terrible accident but the article failed to mention it was raining heavily and everyone driving that night knows anything was hardly visible, i know someone died and it cant change anything but to discredit this mans integrity and making it sound like he was a complete reckless driver with no respect for others on the road is absolutely ridiculous! Paul is very active in his church and the church's youth groups. its just terrible that it was him behind the wheel that night, going a new way home from coaching his churches cadets. good luck Paul!
this is crazy

Coldwater, MI

#31 Sep 12, 2007
Stephanie wrote:
No excuse to not get a driver's license renewed. Ya don't forget because they send you a notice in the mail so that's just a BS excuse.
I used to live in Marne and like many before me, there is no way to NOT be familiar with ALL of it. That was just a piss poor excuse (again) on his part. Suck it up buddy and own up to what you did. You screwed up big time and I HOPE a judge throws the book at you. Time for you to wake-up and now that you've killed somebody, maybe, if you have HALF a brain, you will.
wow, im glad you have never made a mistake while driving before... good for you!!! you must be one of those that drive 30 mph on a 50mph zone and cause the accidents behind you, but yeah.. its cool i hope the next time you get a ticket they throw the book hard too... he was going the speed limit on that road, there is a reason they call car accidents, ACCIDENTS. Im sure he didn't intend on killing someone while driving the speed limit on that road and not seeing the stop sign. i know this a very tragic accident especially for the family affected but, you don't think paul isn't dealing with his own mental anguish over this! he volunteers his time for his church to help kids that are same age as the girl that got killed.
mhl

Coleman, MI

#32 Sep 13, 2007
Interesting wrote:
<quoted text> The reason he took a life is because he wasn't paying attention and didn't stop at the big red stop sign. Whether he had a valid driver's license or not wasn't the reason for the accident;however, it is his responsibility to renew it on time.
Oh I understand that and agree that you have to be very careful and alert when you are driving. I
just feel he should not be run over the rails about the renewal of his drivers license.
Matt

Darlington, PA

#33 Sep 13, 2007
I know paul, i went to high school with him, he messed up big and i feel terrible for this family...my prayers are with you. The article did forget to mention that it was raining heavily, however, why was he still going 55 if he can't see?? Sorry Paul, i really hope the judge has mercy on you, but you don't really deserve it, my prayers are with everyone involved!!
mmb

Riverside, CA

#34 Sep 14, 2007
i actually know this girl that died and boy did i cry that night i found out. I still think bout her 24/7, and then i think if i am just a friend of theirs, and this isnt even my kid....i wonder how they r feelin since this is their kid? Its just horrible to see her die at such a young age..not just because i know her, but for any child that dies that young it seems too young. I will keep this family in my prayers and hopefully many of u will too.
mmb

Riverside, CA

#35 Sep 14, 2007
and i say this..not to be mean or rude, but i do think that the guy who hit the family should get some kind of punishment especially since he was driving w/out a license and he has many other things on his records. I bet he is feeling pretty bad right now tho. He needs prayer too
Ric

San Diego, CA

#36 Sep 18, 2007
huh wrote:
book 'em. Another idiot that only cares about himself.
I have a 10 year old girl myself. I can't imagine what the family is going through but my thoughts and prayers are with them!
'Another idiot that only cares about himself.' You're full of crap. I know Paul, and I've known him for a number of years now. He has got to be one of the most selfless acting guys I know. He cares more about other people than he does about himself. I've witnessed it, and I've admired it. I tell you right now, he told me he wishes he was dead. Nothing can take back what he did, and yes, there should be a punishment there. But to call him an idiot who cares only about himself, that is a pretty bold statement for someone who doesn't even know the guy...

love ya like a brother Paul and we're praying for you and the family of the girl. GodBless...
jack

Kalamazoo, MI

#37 Oct 1, 2007
mark hall wrote:
it is a terrible accident but the article failed to mention it was raining heavily and everyone driving that night knows anything was hardly visible, i know someone died and it cant change anything but to discredit this mans integrity and making it sound like he was a complete reckless driver with no respect for others on the road is absolutely ridiculous! Paul is very active in his church and the church's youth groups. its just terrible that it was him behind the wheel that night, going a new way home from coaching his churches cadets. good luck Paul!
arthur is one of the main roads that run into Coopersville, funny how that road is new to him. Must have not seen the stop ahead sign as well then.

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