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“Peace Love”

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#187 Nov 11, 2013
pipedream wrote:
The articles I posted and other links I've posted previously demonstrate quite well the points I've made and show that its not Obamacare that is at fault, as you would have stated a number of times, but the insurers who are to blame, not only for why Obamacare became law in the first place, but for continuing their charade while misleading, lying and stealing from honest people, all to the detriment of the country, so that they can improve their profit margins.
None of the articles, in any way, state or confirm that the insurance companies were about to or were going to, cancel millions of policies that didn't meet the "minimun requirements" under Obamacare.

“Peace Love”

Since: Aug 08

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#188 Nov 11, 2013
pipedream wrote:
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There's a difference? That's your whole argument? LOL ...
Not only are you a liar but you're a con-artist, much like the insurance industry.
Spinmeister much?
If you don't know the difference...Oh well...
You don't like me much do ya...???
The voice of reason...I'm not going to die anytime soon like you wish I would...
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#189 Nov 11, 2013
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pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#190 Nov 11, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
<quoted text>
None of the articles, in any way, state or confirm that the insurance companies were about to or were going to, cancel millions of policies that didn't meet the "minimun requirements" under Obamacare.
First, Pre-ACA, insurers routinely cancelled or materially altered policies on a whim. Millions with pre-existing conditions were denied coverage at all, or if they got sick while covered, insurers cancelled them. Yes, this happened to MILLIONS. These practices were/are standard business practices for insurers. They've been doing that all along. The basis for doing this has always been profit margins, liability, risk etc.

Wiggles you've shown nothing to indicate that absent ACA they wouldn't continue to do so.

The fact is wiggles, insurers did not have to cancel millions of policies ahead of ACA claiming those policies didn't meet minimum standards of Obamacare, etc.

Plans that were in place prior to ACA were "Grandfathered" and excluded from many of the laws requirements so that they wouldn't be cancelled. ObamaCare doesn't FORCE those plans to remain, but doesn't FORCE them to be cancelled either. Insurance companies themselves have deliberately sent out cancellation notices, along with automatic renewals into higher rate plans before Oct 1st as a means of preventing people from Shopping on the Exchange and finding better, cheaper plans, and did so in a deceptive manner.

For starters, tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of these deceptive cancellation letters were sent out in the months before October, many requiring a response within 30 days - essentially forcing policy holders to choose the worse possible option before the Oct 1st launch of their State Exchange.

That is a classic "High Pressure" sales tactic. "Buy NOW or you'll miss out. SALE ENDING SOON" - when in fact, there was no legitimate reason to push people to make a decision in that 30 or 60 day window other than to prevent them from shopping on the Exchange.

That was the point of the articles I posted that you have taken on as a means to discredit and blame Obama and the ACA for.

The charlatans behind the curtain -- you being one wiggle guy -- are finally being revealed. More to follow.
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#191 Nov 11, 2013
The other part of the scam insurers are perpetrating on the public and blaming ACA is that millions, YES MILLIONS, of these policies being cancelled are PURE JUNK -- worthless, not worth the paper they're written on. Convenient for insurers? Of course. Why? Their bottom line has suddenly improved.

I would guess you had one of these policies, didn't you wiggles? Go ahead and admit it. The websites will be up and running in a couple of weeks and you'll be able to shop for a better plan. Then all will be well and you won't feel so bad.

Dr X

Rochester, MI

#192 Nov 11, 2013
pipedream wrote:
The other part of the scam insurers are perpetrating on the public and blaming ACA is that millions, YES MILLIONS, of these policies being cancelled are PURE JUNK -- worthless, not worth the paper they're written on. Convenient for insurers? Of course. Why? Their bottom line has suddenly improved.
I would guess you had one of these policies, didn't you wiggles? Go ahead and admit it. The websites will be up and running in a couple of weeks and you'll be able to shop for a better plan. Then all will be well and you won't feel so bad.
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Many healthcare plans that have been cancelled are not "junk" but rather cost-efficient plans that individuals will no longer be able to keep because of the MANDATES of Obamacare. It's like the cable company telling its subscribers that it will only be offering a few plans that may or may not fit your viewing preferences because the government says it be so. And answer me this question Mr. Wizard, why the HELL does a single male need to have covered maternity leave in their plan? How are they going to derive a benefit from it? If Obamacare is indeed a tax then isn't this potion taxation without representation? Smells like it to me.
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#193 Nov 11, 2013
It works like this - you personally may not need or want maternity coverage but millions others do. You may need coverage they don't want or need. That's how insurers can keep premiums low while still covering the greatest number of people. Take a statistics class or a civic class that explains what insurance is and you may understand that. But, Hey if you don't want to buy on the exchange and be covered with a real policy then go for coverages you want off the individual market. Just know you'll be paying for it yourself. And if you can't afford it, then go without. Nobody really gives a Schit was you do. How's that?
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#194 Nov 11, 2013
Or maybe you should go the route of finding and then being hired by an employer that offers "real" health insurance. Then maybe you can taylor a plan how you like it. Good luck with that though. Window washing jobs are hard to get these days.
Really

Grandville, MI

#195 Nov 11, 2013
Dr X wrote:
<quoted text>You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Many healthcare plans that have been cancelled are not "junk" but rather cost-efficient plans that individuals will no longer be able to keep because of the MANDATES of Obamacare. It's like the cable company telling its subscribers that it will only be offering a few plans that may or may not fit your viewing preferences because the government says it be so. And answer me this question Mr. Wizard, why the HELL does a single male need to have covered maternity leave in their plan? How are they going to derive a benefit from it? If Obamacare is indeed a tax then isn't this potion taxation without representation? Smells like it to me.
The pipester's version of the ACA didn't include the pictures that stated that any and all changes to the policies would void them under the ACA. And nothing anyone says can convince him otherwise. He's truly not the brightest crayon in the box, but that's okay because he is really good for a laugh!
Dr X

Rochester, MI

#196 Nov 11, 2013
pipedream wrote:
It works like this - you personally may not need or want maternity coverage but millions others do. You may need coverage they don't want or need. That's how insurers can keep premiums low while still covering the greatest number of people. Take a statistics class or a civic class that explains what insurance is and you may understand that. But, Hey if you don't want to buy on the exchange and be covered with a real policy then go for coverages you want off the individual market. Just know you'll be paying for it yourself. And if you can't afford it, then go without. Nobody really gives a Schit was you do. How's that?
Oh, I see. Millions of others need my money in the pool to pay for their maternity needs. Socialism 101. This whole law is designed to redistribute wealth and collapse the private healthcare market. You're a socialist pig and you've just proved it in the wording in your post. READ MY LIPS: SOCIALISM WILL DIE A VIOLENT DEATH HERE IN AMERICA. Don't believe me?
Dr X

Rochester, MI

#197 Nov 11, 2013
Really wrote:
<quoted text>The pipester's version of the ACA didn't include the pictures that stated that any and all changes to the policies would void them under the ACA. And nothing anyone says can convince him otherwise. He's truly not the brightest crayon in the box, but that's okay because he is really good for a laugh!
He/she can vote and that's what disturbs me. There are so many bread and butter socialists out there who are really nothing more than government pets who are slowly advancing the violent division of this country. It's really quite simple; either we meet in the middle as a nation or we will have to split the country in two. The only other option is the final option which, of course, means revolution. It can happen. It can happen overnight.
James

Grand Rapids, MI

#198 Nov 11, 2013
Dr X wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, I see. Millions of others need my money in the pool to pay for their maternity needs. Socialism 101. This whole law is designed to redistribute wealth and collapse the private healthcare market. You're a socialist pig and you've just proved it in the wording in your post. READ MY LIPS: SOCIALISM WILL DIE A VIOLENT DEATH HERE IN AMERICA. Don't believe me?
Pipester bought into the big lie hook, line and sinker. She/he can't identify themselves without saying that they are a die hard democrat first. I'm afraid his case is a lost case and is terminal.

P.S. Hey pipetster, I have proof to back it up too.
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#199 Nov 11, 2013
Dr X wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, I see. Millions of others need my money in the pool to pay for their maternity needs. Socialism 101. This whole law is designed to redistribute wealth and collapse the private healthcare market. You're a socialist pig and you've just proved it in the wording in your post. READ MY LIPS: SOCIALISM WILL DIE A VIOLENT DEATH HERE IN AMERICA. Don't believe me?
LoL I see you've been home-schooled well. You must have started getting those thoughts at an early age?
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#200 Nov 11, 2013
Really wrote:
<quoted text>The pipester's version of the ACA didn't include the pictures that stated that any and all changes to the policies would void them under the ACA. And nothing anyone says can convince him otherwise. He's truly not the brightest crayon in the box, but that's okay because he is really good for a laugh!
Cluck-cluck tell us who made those nasty changes? and when were those changes made? Enlighten us with stats, proofs ... well you know the drill. Start pecking the ground with your big nose.

“Peace Love”

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#201 Nov 12, 2013
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>
First, Pre-ACA, insurers routinely cancelled or materially altered policies on a whim. Millions with pre-existing conditions were denied coverage at all, or if they got sick while covered, insurers cancelled them. Yes, this happened to MILLIONS. These practices were/are standard business practices for insurers. They've been doing that all along. The basis for doing this has always been profit margins, liability, risk etc.
Wiggles you've shown nothing to indicate that absent ACA they wouldn't continue to do so.
The fact is wiggles, insurers did not have to cancel millions of policies ahead of ACA claiming those policies didn't meet minimum standards of Obamacare, etc.
Plans that were in place prior to ACA were "Grandfathered" and excluded from many of the laws requirements so that they wouldn't be cancelled. ObamaCare doesn't FORCE those plans to remain, but doesn't FORCE them to be cancelled either. Insurance companies themselves have deliberately sent out cancellation notices, along with automatic renewals into higher rate plans before Oct 1st as a means of preventing people from Shopping on the Exchange and finding better, cheaper plans, and did so in a deceptive manner.
For starters, tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of these deceptive cancellation letters were sent out in the months before October, many requiring a response within 30 days - essentially forcing policy holders to choose the worse possible option before the Oct 1st launch of their State Exchange.
That is a classic "High Pressure" sales tactic. "Buy NOW or you'll miss out. SALE ENDING SOON" - when in fact, there was no legitimate reason to push people to make a decision in that 30 or 60 day window other than to prevent them from shopping on the Exchange.
That was the point of the articles I posted that you have taken on as a means to discredit and blame Obama and the ACA for.
The charlatans behind the curtain -- you being one wiggle guy -- are finally being revealed. More to follow.
And once again we have come full circle. As I've already stated, no one is questioning the dirty practices of insurance companies.
What you have again revealed is...read this carefully, Obama said if you like your insurance plan...you can keep it, period. But the law he signed says otherwise. But he kept saying you could keep your insurance if you liked it knowing full well he was lying to the American people.

You just can't deal with that fact can you??
Really

Grandville, MI

#202 Nov 12, 2013
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>
Cluck-cluck tell us who made those nasty changes? and when were those changes made? Enlighten us with stats, proofs ... well you know the drill. Start pecking the ground with your big nose.
Read the law yourself there cowardly lion. It's as plain as the nose on your ugly mug. Any and all changes to a plan make it ineligible under the ACA. The entire purpose of the ACA is to take from the haves and give to the have nots (think will nots) in this country. Obama said as much several times and so have the other progressives in this country. You yourself are a huge supporter of taking from the haves and giving to the have nots. you have said so many times. Perhaps if you could comprehend what you look up, you would know what you stand for. Oooops, sorry, most of what you look up wasn't written in crayon or has pictures, my bad.
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#203 Nov 12, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
<quoted text>
read this carefully, Obama said if you like your insurance plan...you can keep it, period. But the law he signed says otherwise. But he kept saying you could keep your insurance if you liked it knowing full well he was lying to the American people.
You just can't deal with that fact can you??
lol

You can't read can you? OK, I'll repost it again for you. Maybe you should ask someone else to read it to you.

Plans that were in place prior to ACA were "Grandfathered" and excluded from many of the laws requirements so that they wouldn't be cancelled. ObamaCare doesn't FORCE those plans to remain, but doesn't FORCE them to be cancelled either. Insurance companies themselves have deliberately sent out cancellation notices, along with automatic renewals into higher rate plans before Oct 1st as a means of preventing people from Shopping on the Exchange and finding better, cheaper plans, and did so in a deceptive manner.

You can keep your junk plan wiggles. Again, no one is forcing you to change policies nor is anyone forcing your insurance company to cancel or change their insurance policies. What part of that don't you understand wiggles?
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#204 Nov 12, 2013
Dr X wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, I see. Millions of others need my money in the pool to pay for their maternity needs. Socialism 101. This whole law is designed to redistribute wealth and collapse the private healthcare market. You're a socialist pig and you've just proved it in the wording in your post. READ MY LIPS: SOCIALISM WILL DIE A VIOLENT DEATH HERE IN AMERICA. Don't believe me?
LOL.

Read my lips Dr. No. No one is forcing you to buy insurance on the exchange. If you like the junk policy you're paying for you can keep it. If your insurance company says they're going to cancel it, your beef is with them, not Obamacare.
Rob

United States

#205 Nov 12, 2013
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>LOL.

Read my lips Dr. No. No one is forcing you to buy insurance on the exchange. If you like the junk policy you're paying for you can keep it. If your insurance company says they're going to cancel it, your beef is with them, not Obamacare.
Man, Jason you are such a dumbass!! How can anyone ever get thru your thick skull?

“Peace Love”

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#206 Nov 12, 2013
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>
lol
You can't read can you? OK, I'll repost it again for you. Maybe you should ask someone else to read it to you.
Plans that were in place prior to ACA were "Grandfathered" and excluded from many of the laws requirements so that they wouldn't be cancelled. ObamaCare doesn't FORCE those plans to remain, but doesn't FORCE them to be cancelled either. Insurance companies themselves have deliberately sent out cancellation notices, along with automatic renewals into higher rate plans before Oct 1st as a means of preventing people from Shopping on the Exchange and finding better, cheaper plans, and did so in a deceptive manner.
You can keep your junk plan wiggles. Again, no one is forcing you to change policies nor is anyone forcing your insurance company to cancel or change their insurance policies. What part of that don't you understand wiggles?
LOL...even Bill Clinton disagrees with you and Obama...
Maybe you should email him and tell him he's wrong also...
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/11/12/cl...

Can't wait to hear about your response from him.

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