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So now Republicant Graham wants to block confirmation on the heads of the Dept of Defense and the CIA to make some nefarious point over a minor issue?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/10/gr...

President Obama needs to mothball any department of government that doesn't have an appointed manager overseeing its operations. Let's see how the neo-cons react when the military is shut down!
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Bob wrote:
So now Republicant Graham wants to block confirmation on the heads of the Dept of Defense and the CIA to make some nefarious point over a minor issue?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/10/gr...
President Obama needs to mothball any department of government that doesn't have an appointed manager overseeing its operations. Let's see how the neo-cons react when the military is shut down!
Typical republican congressional schoolyard bullying. If Hagel isn't worthy of confirmation then don't confirm him. To hold the White House, well the country, hostage because he isn't getting the answers he wants on something else is nothing more than political gamesmanship. And like I said schoolyard bullying.

Graham has always been an example of the typical right-wing tactic. Got nothing useful to contribute, make lots of noise about anything to rise up the minions into a frenzy. He's nothing more than an attention getter and has never been anything else.

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Typical republican congressional schoolyard bullying. If Hagel isn't worthy of confirmation then don't confirm him. To hold the White House, well the country, hostage because he isn't getting the answers he wants on something else is nothing more than political gamesmanship. And like I said schoolyard bullying.
Graham has always been an example of the typical right-wing tactic. Got nothing useful to contribute, make lots of noise about anything to rise up the minions into a frenzy. He's nothing more than an attention getter and has never been anything else.
The absolute political best, was watching McCain get all macho in grilling Hagel....then recalling how during his 2008 Presidential campaign, he hailed Hagel as a future member of his proposed cabinet....guess we weren't supposed to remember that?...lol....
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No, say it ain't so, lol.
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<quoted text>The absolute political best, was watching McCain get all macho in grilling Hagel....then recalling how during his 2008 Presidential campaign, he hailed Hagel as a future member of his proposed cabinet....guess we weren't supposed to remember that?...lol....
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It is truly fascinating to watch the complaining about Lindsay Graham and his being an "obstructionist." Apparently there are many who can't seem to remember all the nominees that GW put up that were blocked by the Dems. But, it is pretty obvious that the love affair with Obama is continuing...apparently lack of leadership skills doesn't matter to the American people these days. Hmmm, so be it.
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It is truly fascinating to watch the complaining about Lindsay Graham and his being an "obstructionist." Apparently there are many who can't seem to remember all the nominees that GW put up that were blocked by the Dems. But, it is pretty obvious that the love affair with Obama is continuing...apparently lack of leadership skills doesn't matter to the American people these days. Hmmm, so be it.
Lack of leadership skills not mattering is how Bush got into office.
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Lack of leadership skills not mattering is how Bush got into office.
Question: Can you give us a time frame when the left will stop complaining about Bush? 12 years is a little excessive? Never mind, it's going to continue ad nauseum because it gives the left the ability to ignore Obama's failings. Whatever.
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<quoted text>Question: Can you give us a time frame when the left will stop complaining about Bush? 12 years is a little excessive? Never mind, it's going to continue ad nauseum because it gives the left the ability to ignore Obama's failings. Whatever.
Your fellow facists are still complaining about FDR, and the man died in 1945.... Does that answer your question?
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<quoted text>Question: Can you give us a time frame when the left will stop complaining about Bush? 12 years is a little excessive? Never mind, it's going to continue ad nauseum because it gives the left the ability to ignore Obama's failings. Whatever.
As soon as it's the wise thing to do completely forget about Katrina when New Orleans is completely restored. Completely forget about Sandy after the east coast is completely restored. As soon as it's appropriate to forget about the lasting effects of 9/11 and not plan to try and keep it from happening in the future. 9/11 is in the past. Why are we still fighting in Afghanistan? Why do we still have Homeland Security?

In other words it's the foolish that choose to forget about what caused "the catastrophe" and not plan for at least minimizing the damage should it happen again. And it ALWAYS takes a lot less time to cause the damage than it does to repair it. And only the stupid choose to forget how it happened in the first place.
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Your fellow facists are still complaining about FDR, and the man died in 1945.... Does that answer your question?
but but but but that's different because, well, because it's them...

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No, say it ain't so, lol.
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McCain, Lindsey Graham and Darrel Issa have become the Gloria Allred's of the Hill....never met a television camera, they did'nt like.....
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Lack of leadership skills not mattering is how Bush got into office.
I'd say he had more than the community organizer currently occupying the position.
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As soon as it's the wise thing to do completely forget about Katrina when New Orleans is completely restored. Completely forget about Sandy after the east coast is completely restored. As soon as it's appropriate to forget about the lasting effects of 9/11 and not plan to try and keep it from happening in the future. 9/11 is in the past. Why are we still fighting in Afghanistan? Why do we still have Homeland Security?
In other words it's the foolish that choose to forget about what caused "the catastrophe" and not plan for at least minimizing the damage should it happen again. And it ALWAYS takes a lot less time to cause the damage than it does to repair it. And only the stupid choose to forget how it happened in the first place.
Okay, you win. Since you are so very knowledgeable, perhaps you could help us understand how quickly we can spend our way back to prosperity, which are the words of the illustrious Vice President currently in office? An estimate on the time it will take to spend our way back from $17 Trillion in debt that would be. That particular item hasn't been explained and I am sure you would be more than willing to tell us? Also, could you please explain the logic behind the Minority leader in the Senate, Mrs. Pelosi, has said that DC doesn't have a spending problem? Thanks,
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<quoted text>Okay, you win. Since you are so very knowledgeable, perhaps you could help us understand how quickly we can spend our way back to prosperity, which are the words of the illustrious Vice President currently in office? An estimate on the time it will take to spend our way back from $17 Trillion in debt that would be. That particular item hasn't been explained and I am sure you would be more than willing to tell us? Also, could you please explain the logic behind the Minority leader in the Senate, Mrs. Pelosi, has said that DC doesn't have a spending problem? Thanks,
I've said how we can do it FAR too many times already and it's not made a dent.

We also can not cut our way out of this. Can't be done.

I could point you to where you could see why this debt is not as big a deal as it's being made out to be. Is the debt a good thing? No! Should it be eliminated? Yes. But are we going to do it by cutting social programs alone? Not a chance.

You're being duped and nothing I have been able to say changes that. You're looking at debt and deficits on the scale you and the rest of normal people are affected by their personal debts and deficits. It just doesn't work the same way on a governmental scale.

So let the bad mouthing begin.
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I've said how we can do it FAR too many times already and it's not made a dent.
We also can not cut our way out of this. Can't be done.
I could point you to where you could see why this debt is not as big a deal as it's being made out to be. Is the debt a good thing? No! Should it be eliminated? Yes. But are we going to do it by cutting social programs alone? Not a chance.
You're being duped and nothing I have been able to say changes that. You're looking at debt and deficits on the scale you and the rest of normal people are affected by their personal debts and deficits. It just doesn't work the same way on a governmental scale.
So let the bad mouthing begin.
So, we can't spend our way out and we can't cut our way out....soooooo, what's left? Spending alone? Because that is all that is seen coming down the pike. Even the speech tonight wants MORE spending. How much debt do we need before it's "too much debt?" Is the reason that it's "different" with government because they "say so"? Or is it different because they are playing with other people's money so they don't watch it as closely? Or will the government not be truly happy until they have everybody broke? So many questions and so few answers. How much more debt can we handle before we are bankrupt? How much more borrowing can we do before those loaning the funds say, "enough"? How much more do you want the American people to give? And if it's "patriotic" to pay and pay and pay, why don't the elitists have to pay and pay and pay? Or is that "rule" just for the "normal" people?
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<quoted text>So, we can't spend our way out and we can't cut our way out....soooooo, what's left? Spending alone? Because that is all that is seen coming down the pike. Even the speech tonight wants MORE spending. How much debt do we need before it's "too much debt?" Is the reason that it's "different" with government because they "say so"? Or is it different because they are playing with other people's money so they don't watch it as closely? Or will the government not be truly happy until they have everybody broke? So many questions and so few answers. How much more debt can we handle before we are bankrupt? How much more borrowing can we do before those loaning the funds say, "enough"? How much more do you want the American people to give? And if it's "patriotic" to pay and pay and pay, why don't the elitists have to pay and pay and pay? Or is that "rule" just for the "normal" people?
RAISING REVENUE!!!! Why is that so flipping hard is to understand?

But oh no we can't raise taxes on those most able to pay them. Raise them on those least able to pay them. We need to keep the corporate taxes as low as possible, even effectively eliminating them by the loopholes, legality of overseas tax havens and all the other avoidance ways they have been gifted with that the normal tax payer isn't allowed.

The "government" in the form of the Republican caucus and the Tea Party caucus, particularly Eric Cantor, Paul Ryan and John Boehner won't be happy until they have brought this country to it's kness and they can blame it on the Democrats/Liberals/Progressive s.

You really want to know who's taking this country apart, look in your own political philosophical back yard.
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RAISING REVENUE!!!! Why is that so flipping hard is to understand?
But oh no we can't raise taxes on those most able to pay them. Raise them on those least able to pay them. We need to keep the corporate taxes as low as possible, even effectively eliminating them by the loopholes, legality of overseas tax havens and all the other avoidance ways they have been gifted with that the normal tax payer isn't allowed.
The "government" in the form of the Republican caucus and the Tea Party caucus, particularly Eric Cantor, Paul Ryan and John Boehner won't be happy until they have brought this country to it's kness and they can blame it on the Democrats/Liberals/Progressive s.
You really want to know who's taking this country apart, look in your own political philosophical back yard.
Okay, lobby them (the Congress and Senate) to eliminate ALL loopholes and deductions. Good luck with that since it would remove it from THEM and YOU as well. I know I and several others have reduced our discretionary spending in anticipation of tax increases that will be coming. But, since you want to get so bent, do the lobbying, hire a lobbyist. Oh wait, you don't want them to listen to lobbyists....ooops.
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<quoted text>Okay, lobby them (the Congress and Senate) to eliminate ALL loopholes and deductions. Good luck with that since it would remove it from THEM and YOU as well. I know I and several others have reduced our discretionary spending in anticipation of tax increases that will be coming. But, since you want to get so bent, do the lobbying, hire a lobbyist. Oh wait, you don't want them to listen to lobbyists....ooops.
If it weren't for empty arguments you'd have none at all.

The People have to rise up in unison for the representatives on both sides to hear them over the lobbyists. And do so with solutions not just gripes.

Like institute a national tax on ALL voting age citizens of, say,$5 or maybe even $10 per year to be lock boxed for campaign funding. While making it illegal for all candidates to accept campaign financing from any other source under penalty of fines and imprisonment. I can pretty much guarantee you all private sector media companies will adjust their campaigning charges to capture the money available.

Re-institute rational national campaign PSA policies, or laws if necessary.

Make it illegal for campaigners to lie and/or knowingly distort the the position(s) of opposing campaigners.

Or something rationally similar to the above.

It wouldn't take long for the states to adopt the same campaign regulations. OR, begin at the state level and it will filter up. Though it would take much longer on a state by state to filter up to the federal level.

Try coming up with some solutions rather than griping about being fair isn't being fair.
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RAISING REVENUE!!!! Why is that so flipping hard is to understand?
But oh no we can't raise taxes on those most able to pay them. Raise them on those least able to pay them. We need to keep the corporate taxes as low as possible, even effectively eliminating them by the loopholes, legality of overseas tax havens and all the other avoidance ways they have been gifted with that the normal tax payer isn't allowed.
The "government" in the form of the Republican caucus and the Tea Party caucus, particularly Eric Cantor, Paul Ryan and John Boehner won't be happy until they have brought this country to it's kness and they can blame it on the Democrats/Liberals/Progressive s.
You really want to know who's taking this country apart, look in your own political philosophical back yard.
I am hearing "If I were a rich man" from Fiddler on the Roof..... Stop stealing from others who actually labor...... Peasants......
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<quoted text>I am hearing "If I were a rich man" from Fiddler on the Roof.....
First it was low-frequency noises, now it's show tunes.
If you were a productive member of society you wouldn't have these problems dear boy.

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