Western Gas Station Mess

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DynamiteDuo

Elmhurst, IL

#1 Aug 1, 2011
Who knows anything about the status of the old Citgo gas station that is falling down on Western at 12548 Western? It is a disgrace and unsafe. Why hasn't it been torn down?

Since: May 10

Midlothian, IL

#2 Aug 1, 2011
DynamiteDuo wrote:
Who knows anything about the status of the old Citgo gas station that is falling down on Western at 12548 Western? It is a disgrace and unsafe. Why hasn't it been torn down?
City pulled business license now it sits as an eyesore brainiacks huh
Think the city would take it down now no incentive for owners to clean it up.
Really

Alsip, IL

#3 Aug 2, 2011
I agree!
Someone needs to clean that mess..
ItsOnlyMoney

Wilmette, IL

#4 Aug 2, 2011
Had one paid any attention to the city council meetings, one would have seen that the Shell Oil Corp is in negotiations to acquire the property.

The current owners wanted to keep it as a storefront, those blunt wraps do sell, you know...
hence the business license was pulled

The city has no money, so Greg, why do we want the public to pay for the demolition of a private business?

It would take a mediocre scrapper about 20 minutes to wipe it off the map, but those underground gas tanks are another matter.

Why should the city control all types of private enterprise, dear posters?

Do you want the city to tell you where you have to work?

The city isn't directly involved (planning, funding and completion) in central planning and development.

Isn't that communism?

Be careful all, you preach a slippery slope...
Dick and Gary

Girard, OH

#5 Aug 2, 2011
We will knock it down for 100,000 dollars.
BLUEISLANDER

Chicago, IL

#6 Aug 2, 2011
ItsOnlyMoney wrote:
Had one paid any attention to the city council meetings, one would have seen that the Shell Oil Corp is in negotiations to acquire the property.
The current owners wanted to keep it as a storefront, those blunt wraps do sell, you know...
hence the business license was pulled
The city has no money, so Greg, why do we want the public to pay for the demolition of a private business?
It would take a mediocre scrapper about 20 minutes to wipe it off the map, but those underground gas tanks are another matter.
Why should the city control all types of private enterprise, dear posters?
Do you want the city to tell you where you have to work?
The city isn't directly involved (planning, funding and completion) in central planning and development.
Isn't that communism?
Be careful all, you preach a slippery slope...
Well said.

Since: May 10

United States

#7 Aug 2, 2011
ItsOnlyMoney wrote:
Had one paid any attention to the city council meetings, one would have seen that the Shell Oil Corp is in negotiations to acquire the property.

The current owners wanted to keep it as a storefront, those blunt wraps do sell, you know...
hence the business license was pulled

The city has no money, so Greg, why do we want the public to pay for the demolition of a private business?

It would take a mediocre scrapper about 20 minutes to wipe it off the map, but those underground gas tanks are another matter.

Why should the city control all types of private enterprise, dear posters?

Do you want the city to tell you where you have to work?

The city isn't directly involved (planning, funding and completion) in central planning and development.

Isn't that communism?

Be careful all, you preach a slippery slope...
It's the city's job to make sure the safety of our community is number one ! And that station does nothing to attract other business here. having that sit for every kid in the city to play around is unacceptable. The weeds get tall in my alley the building dept is johnny on the spot with a citation The no money cry doesn't fly !
WTF? Are you my alderperson ?
thats the first thing out of her mouth when I had pick up the tab when I had to replace a unsafe sidewalk in front of my home and you said it yourself " it takes 20 minutes " the pumps can stay and it makes the city look like crap they could recoup the funds at a later time. 22 years I pay taxes in this community shop in this community and support my community it is time city hall does the same instead they cry broke every chance they get ! And if you were paying attention to council meeting you would of known they pulled two licenses one for the store and other for gas. I was no fan of that business but the way the city has handled this issue is unacceptable and now look what we have. I can't help but think say this was at York and western would this be left to sit like it is ?
Puppy

Chicago, IL

#8 Aug 2, 2011
The City is not responsible for private property. Get it---PRIVATE Property therefore NOT CITY owned??????? If it were, what would happen if the City were to decide that your house or anybody's else's house is an eyesore and take it upon themselves to tear it down...and then make the rest of us pay for it because YOU, as the property owner, didn't keep it maintained?

The weeds you mention that are on YOUR property that YOU let grow too long are just that--YOUR weeds and therefore YOUR responsibility to maintain. And did it cross your mind that perhaps YOUR neighbors may think YOUR weeds are an eyesore and take objection? What's next if we follow your way of thinking? That the CITY is responsible for Everything? What's happened to PERSONAL Responsibility?? No, your answer is to make City (hence Government) take care of Everything. Sounds like socialism to me. This Country was founded as a Republic.

Since: May 10

Palos Hills, IL

#9 Aug 2, 2011
Puppy wrote:
The City is not responsible for private property. Get it---PRIVATE Property therefore NOT CITY owned??????? If it were, what would happen if the City were to decide that your house or anybody's else's house is an eyesore and take it upon themselves to tear it down...and then make the rest of us pay for it because YOU, as the property owner, didn't keep it maintained?

The weeds you mention that are on YOUR property that YOU let grow too long are just that--YOUR weeds and therefore YOUR responsibility to maintain. And did it cross your mind that perhaps YOUR neighbors may think YOUR weeds are an eyesore and take objection? What's next if we follow your way of thinking? That the CITY is responsible for Everything? What's happened to PERSONAL Responsibility?? No, your answer is to make City (hence Government) take care of Everything. Sounds like socialism to me. This Country was founded as a Republic.
We are not deciding where or what type of business go here or there. We are talking about a dangerous safety problem that the city seem they can resolve by yanking the license then putting up yellow barricades around and its " nothing to see here move along "
and FYI the city already controls businesses though licensees. And though zoning so hop of the high horse there!

The weeds are in the alley I understand the need of them being cut I did the point was the are so quick to ticket they weren't that tall And they technically were in the ally NOT MY PROPERTY !
And no mention of the pubic sidewalk I replaced with my money cause is was a hazard in you response huh ? doesnt fit into you template

Hey look I'm all for personal responsibility i agree you more that you know ! but is it not the city's responsiblity for the overall community ? Expecialy when the owner walks away ! and at the end of the day it makes our business district look third world ! You puppy may be ok with that getto mess there I am not !
Looker

United States

#10 Aug 2, 2011
Greg, you said:
The weeds get tall in my alley the building dept is johnny on the spot with a citation The no money cry doesn't fly !

I would like to correct your statement, you meant to say: "Using MY money does not fly", so the city (hence everyone) has to pay?!?

As for council meeting details, the business gave up its gas license, but wanted to keep the store license, but the city said no.

Where were you at the council meetings expressing this opinion? Why don't you do something about the community you support?

Complaining is not participation.
Actions speak much louder than words.

As for taxes, if you have issues, move to Ford Heights, or a lower taxed community.

Ever hear of Central Falls RI.?
They declared Chapter 9 Bankruptcy, look it up.
They have 19,000 citizens and have similar problems.

Unfortunately Blue Island is not alone.

I love paying my taxes, they are a lot lower than other communities, we (Blue Island) have a lot going for us! Older quality homes, quiet streets, and parrots overhead.

Yes there are issues, but these are overcome with diligence and community involvement.
The people at Deer Point are a great example of pulling together to get something done. They are a prime example of action speak louder than words, and they have been heard at the city council.

Please have a broader view of the situation than just your back yard, remember it is a global economy.
DynamiteDuo

Chicago, IL

#11 Aug 2, 2011
It seems more than reasonable that the city should move aggressively to make an unsafe situation safe. Public safety is one of government's primary responsibilities in our society.
Looker

United States

#12 Aug 2, 2011
This is true, however the courts decide what safety is, when it comes to depriving private businesses of their property(rights).

Are the pumps shut off? Yes.
Is the area secured? In essence, yes.

Could it be better secured? Yes.

Who will pay for that security????

Are those commenting on security willing to pay more in local taxes to have their wishes acted upon?

That's the question

Who among you fellow posters will be willing to stand before the city council and say "TAX ME MORE - I want to be more secure, so fence in everything that I tell you to!"

I'll be there next Tuesday, and I'm eager to see who stands up for that increased security.

Since: May 10

Palos Hills, IL

#13 Aug 2, 2011
Looker wrote:
This is true, however the courts decide what safety is, when it comes to depriving private businesses of their property(rights).

Are the pumps shut off? Yes.
Is the area secured? In essence, yes.

Could it be better secured? Yes.

Who will pay for that security????

Are those commenting on security willing to pay more in local taxes to have their wishes acted upon?

That's the question

Who among you fellow posters will be willing to stand before the city council and say "TAX ME MORE - I want to be more secure, so fence in everything that I tell you to!"

I'll be there next Tuesday, and I'm eager to see who stands up for that increased security.
City hall is there for the public safety. I believe that would be the building departments jurisdiction? Courts are there to resolve legal disputes. What would do you live in ?
We are already paying taxes to keep our town safe, secure, and building a fence like the one we have had in the hole in the ground at memorial park for the last year and a half would do to make it safe for the public. If you think that area is secure your crazy. they need to do the job they are supposed to do ! The job they are paid to do. Demand the owner does if not Do it and recoup the cost though the courts. If necessary.

Since: May 10

Palos Hills, IL

#14 Aug 2, 2011
Looker wrote:
Greg, you said:
The weeds get tall in my alley the building dept is johnny on the spot with a citation The no money cry doesn't fly !
I would like to correct your statement, you meant to say: "Using MY money does not fly", so the city (hence everyone) has to pay?!?
As for council meeting details, the business gave up its gas license, but wanted to keep the store license, but the city said no.
Where were you at the council meetings expressing this opinion? Why don't you do something about the community you support?
Complaining is not participation.
Actions speak much louder than words.
As for taxes, if you have issues, move to Ford Heights, or a lower taxed community.
Ever hear of Central Falls RI.?
They declared Chapter 9 Bankruptcy, look it up.
They have 19,000 citizens and have similar problems.
Unfortunately Blue Island is not alone.
I love paying my taxes, they are a lot lower than other communities, we (Blue Island) have a lot going for us! Older quality homes, quiet streets, and parrots overhead.
Yes there are issues, but these are overcome with diligence and community involvement.
The people at Deer Point are a great example of pulling together to get something done. They are a prime example of action speak louder than words, and they have been heard at the city council.
Please have a broader view of the situation than just your back yard, remember it is a global economy.
pretty condisending There LOOKER.

You don't need to be at the council meetings to voice ones opinion. and I do to my alderperson, mayor, community police officer ! just might be that I work to pay my low taxes here in BI. and do support my community and have for 25 years keep telling people to leave LOOKER
YOU DON'T KNOW ME FROM ADAM !

I don't need to be talked down to by you either.

I don't vote in RI My concern is not RI. It's the missmanagement of our local B I officals here localy and took an oath to serve all of us not just SOME here in this commumity .

I don't love paying my increasingly higher property taxes only to get diminishing services!
And no my street isnt quite with parrots overhead what planet you living on ?!
let me guess greewood inbetween 127 and vermont?

Get off you high horse !
Looker

United States

#15 Aug 2, 2011
Facts are facts.
Being truthful is not condescending.
I appreciate your opinion being made, even with the light coating of vitriol.

If I did know one from Adam, I might then be either Eve, Cain or a young Abel.

I don't believe that any government existed then making Greg's points moot.
- That's being condescending.

If one had only to investigate the founding of this country, one would see that the Unites States is not a "nanny state".

The founding fathers did not want a large government, for fear that their individual freedoms would be dictated by a central authority.

I don't vote in RI as well, but I do have the capacity to see the writing on the economical wall and it's all red.
If the government can't do a job, then it's up to the people to help, not hinder.

Assistance goes both ways.

The lower property values due to the housing implosion WILL lower local property taxes, but the politicians are used to their standard of living and will need to make up the difference.

It's a shame that a narrow view of existence binds one's opinion. I have only been a proponent of more people moving to Blue Island. Again, I believe in inclusion not exclusion. If one does not like the heat, well I believe the rest of that saying is well known. Free choice is a good thing.

Parrots are birds and they gotta fly and fish gotta swim (maybe with the exception of Asian carp), so that means that I live between Kedzie and Ashland, and 119th and 139th.

By the way, it's against local ordinances to own a horse inside the city, so I don't own one to get off of. Thanks for caring though.
sammy

Girard, OH

#16 Aug 2, 2011
How about the roosters down in little Mexico? Are they illegal? Open your eyes you hypocrite.

Since: May 10

United States

#17 Aug 2, 2011
Looker wrote:
Facts are facts.
Being truthful is not condescending.
I appreciate your opinion being made, even with the light coating of vitriol.

If I did know one from Adam, I might then be either Eve, Cain or a young Abel.

I don't believe that any government existed then making Greg's points moot.
- That's being condescending.

If one had only to investigate the founding of this country, one would see that the Unites States is not a "nanny state".

The founding fathers did not want a large government, for fear that their individual freedoms would be dictated by a central authority.

I don't vote in RI as well, but I do have the capacity to see the writing on the economical wall and it's all red.
If the government can't do a job, then it's up to the people to help, not hinder.

Assistance goes both ways.

The lower property values due to the housing implosion WILL lower local property taxes, but the politicians are used to their standard of living and will need to make up the difference.

It's a shame that a narrow view of existence binds one's opinion. I have only been a proponent of more people moving to Blue Island. Again, I believe in inclusion not exclusion. If one does not like the heat, well I believe the rest of that saying is well known. Free choice is a good thing.

Parrots are birds and they gotta fly and fish gotta swim (maybe with the exception of Asian carp), so that means that I live between Kedzie and Ashland, and 119th and 139th.

By the way, it's against local ordinances to own a horse inside the city, so I don't own one to get off of. Thanks for caring though.
Clever response !
Your post was condescending as you certainly do not know me or my community involvement. As it included little if any fact. Other than you love paying your taxes.
But on topic I sure wouldn't call cleaning up that gas station mess a
" nanny state " comparison
wow

Midlothian, IL

#18 Aug 2, 2011
greg call shell(citicorp) they will explain their plans, waiting for epa so they can start demo and rebuild...
thinkin

Chicago, IL

#19 Aug 2, 2011
The owner is a widow her husband died., after a long illness they had no insurance the business was their livelyhood. the widow did what she could to keep the business going.Now forced to walk away from it the poor women is drained,she contributed her tax dollars to the community. Thou not to the liking of all but what was within her means.by having her business here., and for that I give her credit and thanks.,
Gary and Dick

Orland Park, IL

#20 Jan 16, 2013
Dick and Gary wrote:
We will knock it down for 100,000 dollars.
We can still demolish this eyesore 175,000 tanks are still leaking into the ground and have entered the water system.

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