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Not Just A Mom

Coeburn, VA

#1 Mar 17, 2009
I have a question. I read in the paper several months ago that our urban deer problem is going to be "worked on". What does that mean? I heard a RUMOR that sharp shooters would be considered as part of the solution. I'm wondering if the option of a drawing for a bowhunt during urban archery season might be the answer. Any thoughts????
Ken H

Charlottesville, VA

#2 Mar 17, 2009
The incidents between deer and vehicle are so dangerous! The Marion Life Saving Crew, while responding to emergencies, have been involved in those collisions, of all things!

Marion is collecting statistics to decide what best to do, but I'd bet there won't be any hunting inside town limits. It would have to be on private property (the w&l land near the hospital is the ideal spot), but even if DC and Jerry said yes, there are so many people who have already voiced their opposition because they enjoy watching the deer wander through their yards. Contact the town council and mayor and let them know your feelings so that there is an informed decision.

(Bowhunting would be the only option, IMHO)
oooyougotserved

Knoxville, TN

#3 Mar 18, 2009
I can understand people love to watch deer. They are beautiful and graceful. And when you go towards the lake you can always see atleast one or two. But I had to replace a front end on my vehicle because a deer jumped down in front of me and there was no way to miss it. And that is not very fun to experience. My husband is an avid hunter and would love to be involved with hunting. I feel that bow hunting would be the most logical way to do this. There are too many boundries for rifles or black powder.
Not Just A Mom

Coeburn, VA

#4 Mar 19, 2009
oooyougotserved wrote:
I can understand people love to watch deer. They are beautiful and graceful. And when you go towards the lake you can always see atleast one or two. But I had to replace a front end on my vehicle because a deer jumped down in front of me and there was no way to miss it. And that is not very fun to experience. My husband is an avid hunter and would love to be involved with hunting. I feel that bow hunting would be the most logical way to do this. There are too many boundries for rifles or black powder.
So sorry about your car. I know several people that have had collisions with the deer too.
You're right...they are lovely to watch, unless you're watching one come through the windshield of your car.
I was thinking of the W&L land where the population is so easy to see. I've counted as many as 30 there and there will be more this year depending on how many wintered well and made it through.
I know that it is private land and even if W&L gave the go ahead, the town would still have to give the go ahead for a bowhunt, RIGHT?
Ken H

Clintwood, VA

#5 Mar 19, 2009
Yep -- the way to go about this is for somebody to get W&L to give permission, then bring that to the town council. Right now, it's too easy to reject out of hand because there isn't any private landowners who would allow it.

That parcel is the only place in town that I can think of, and it's one of the most heavily-populated for deer, so it would be ideal.

Just remember the debacle Saltville got into a couple of years ago with the geese, so you know what we're up against.

There are a handful of communities that actually allowed off-duty law enforcement officers to thin the herds, but for what it's worth, I'm in favor of some sort of special bow license for a very limited time frame to see how it goes.
Chipmaker

North Garden, VA

#6 Mar 19, 2009
Ken,

I know that Marion has ordinances against discharging a firearm in town limits ... but do they actually have an ordinance prohibiting hunting? If not ... then all the hunter would need was permission from the landowner to bow hunt.

I really don't know what the Town Ordinances specify, but I'm sure the Town ordinances are available to the public to view at either the Town Office, or the Smyth County Courthouse.

If there is an ordinance against hunting in town limits, it would be a simple thing for the town to add an exemption to the code for archery.

There have been other towns that have hired the "Sharpshooter" services to cut down on the deer populations in their towns, and they have proven to be expensive. It usually costs the locality $100-$300 per deer that the sharpshooters kill.

That's an added expense that the taxpayers don't need at this time.
Ken H

Charlottesville, VA

#7 Mar 19, 2009
Roanoke did the hired gun solution, and it was very expensive year after year. What a nutty notion! I'm for bow hunting by special permit, with provisions for kills going to food pantries if the hunter doesn't want it. The ordinance wouldn't be much at all - public hearing, then vote - it's the getting there that will be the issue. Lots of sentiment against hunting deer in town from council. That's why, if someone got a provisional permission letter from W&L, or if lots of people called the councilmembers or came to council meetings to voice their opinions, it may happen.
Not Just A Mom

Coeburn, VA

#8 Mar 19, 2009
I'm glad you mentioned the option to call councilmembers. Sounds ridiculous, but I didn't know if that would be an option. I hate voicing my opinion on certain things since I'm usually not available to go council meetings (work commitments), so I feel as though I'm just shouting into the wind.
The problem with the hired sharpshooter option is 1. cost and 2. it would only help for a year or two. That is why we have laws for hunters and certain localities have urban archery season. I'd love to see a lottery for bowhunters to have the opportunity to thin the herd. Maybe if some people who love to see the deer would be educated on the miserable death deer have when they grow old and starve to death or even worse, are mangled by a car, they would not be so opposed to the humane option of harvesting these deer.
Ken H

Clintwood, VA

#9 Mar 20, 2009
That's why I mentioned it- A lot of folks think that town council is voted by precinct like the county, but every councilmember is elected to serve every citizen of the town. You can find their names and emails on the town's website
www.marionva.org and their phone numbers are all listed in the book (as is mine).

I can't imagine the horror of compounding the destruction of a vehicle and risk of personal injury with then having to watch a poor animal suffer until someone arrives to kill it.

The sharpshooter option doesn't make sense to me, either, because of the two issues you listed right on the money!
oooyougotserved

Knoxville, TN

#10 Mar 23, 2009
When that deer ran into me, it took off running and I dont know if it died or was ok. All I seen was hoof and antlers and fur and it was gone. Totally scary!! I do agree with the food pantry geting the animal if the hunter doesn't want it. I was lucky enough not to see the animal suffer,though.
Ken H

Charlottesville, VA

#11 Mar 23, 2009
One of the most horrible deer/vehicle stories I've ever heard was one a couple of years ago at the Park during the festival. It had to be put down in front of all the people - kids and all.

As I was coming home from a business trip to Hampton, a Lincoln ran over one of two rotties that somebody had put out on I-64. I turned on the lights and blocked traffic until I could pull the poor dog out of the interstate, and waited with it on the shoulder until a state trooper arrived. The dog ended up disappearing into the woods, but had to suffer tremendous internal injuries. The whole time, it's mate watched and paced from the median. The driver never even hit their brake. Of course, it wasn't the driver's fault - I fault the $%^%&%&& that put the dogs out on the interstate - but I still can't get that image out of my mind ...
oooyougotserved

Knoxville, TN

#12 Mar 23, 2009
That's terrible and it is a shame people like that are allowed to have animals at all. But who knows what people are going to do when they have pets. My little one has 3 dogs, 2 hermit crabs(that I refuse to even look at) but I know it is just as much my responsibility to care for them as it is for her to own them. But I couldn't imagine watching the dog's mate pacing back and forth. Sad story.
bill

Charlottesville, VA

#13 Feb 17, 2012
The town of marion already will allow the schools to use archery gear(national archery in the schools program)Why can't a hunter use his gear if he has permission to hunt on private property
jack

Charlottesville, VA

#14 Feb 17, 2012
I recently got charged for hunting within the corporate limits of marion with archery gear. I had taken a deer that day so the officer took what parts he wanted and just left the rest to rot! When I went to court the judge ruled in my favor, as he comented that the town of marion ordinances do not specify hunting is illegal only the discharge of firearms and other weapons.(Other weapons in the Blacks Law dictionary does not specify archery gear as a weapon. In respect to Bill, he is right about the national archery in the schools program. The marion city schools do participate. So, can one be allowed to shoot archery gear and another be charged?
Chevy1

Nashville, TN

#15 Feb 18, 2012
Jack, did you get cited by that p.o.s. Danny Hall?
He is an arrogant s.o.b.
I was at Lewis and Clark Outdoors back in DEC. and I heard some of the guys talking about someone calling the game commission about the flat top mountain atv riders riding off the mountain and on other peoples property. Anyway, Hall told some of those riders to "calm it down" until it all blew over. Of course those riders are some of Hall's suck buddies.Oh, by the way, ride through Marion about a month before bow season, and there are a bunch of bow shooters practicing in their yards.My neighbor shoots his crossbow in his yard, and we live just back of round hill cemetary, in a subdivision and no one ever complains, but he does not bother anyone, nor does he damage anyone's property. I am glad you were found not guilty of those charges.
jack

Charlottesville, VA

#16 Feb 24, 2012
Hall was his name and he is arrogant, but he sure did not know his lawbook the way he thought he did.
Huntingvafamily

Chilhowie, VA

#17 Aug 30, 2012
if any place needs to open erban archery it mairon and u are right about hall i have been to court with him 5 times and beat him 3 of the 5 hell he gave me a ticket one day and i was laying on a buddys couch watching tv was not eaven hunting he was checking a deer hung in the back yard tat i hade nothing to do with and was legale and walked by seen me and told me to come outside he wanted to look at my licens got me becase when i pulled the little tryangel off my licens the bottom one riped to. 125$ for the little pice of paper people like that always get thers in the end hope i am here to see it
JACK

Charlottesville, VA

#18 Oct 9, 2012
Did anyone hear about the town police wanting to call archery gear"dangerous weapons". If they are so dangerous then why can you shoot them on town of marion schools.I think R.A.HAMM(TOWN COP)IS HAVING SOUR GRAPES BECAUSE HE WRONGFULLY CHARGED SOMEONE and lost in court. As of matter of fact he was not even a witness to the act and still had the nerve to "swear out a warrant" later, over one month to be exact. IS THIS FAIR OR CORRUPT? The town council will meet on the 15th of oct. to see if its going to be a town ordinance, so everyone who shoots his or her bow I urge you to be there andshow your support against this obsurd proposal.
Willy Cosmo

Marion, VA

#19 Oct 9, 2012
If they would just open the crapping urban archery and be done with it then me and several others in Marion could solve the problem with archery tackle. And I would have a couple of deer in the freezer: shoulders, hams, neck, even maybe some tenderloin.
Lepetomane

Buena Vista, VA

#20 Oct 9, 2012
JACK wrote:
Did anyone hear about the town police wanting to call archery gear"dangerous weapons". If they are so dangerous then why can you shoot them on town of marion schools.I think R.A.HAMM(TOWN COP)IS HAVING SOUR GRAPES BECAUSE HE WRONGFULLY CHARGED SOMEONE and lost in court. As of matter of fact he was not even a witness to the act and still had the nerve to "swear out a warrant" later, over one month to be exact. IS THIS FAIR OR CORRUPT? The town council will meet on the 15th of oct. to see if its going to be a town ordinance, so everyone who shoots his or her bow I urge you to be there andshow your support against this obsurd proposal.
Do you really think one cop makes the laws? Nope. They just enforce them. How did he "wrongfully charge" you, since you admit to firing a weapon in town? What if you'd have missed and killed a kid? You're not in the woods, your in town. Bows shoot arrows that kill. Having open season with houses and businesses in target distance is "obsurd" or ABSURD. Yep, show up and wear your "stupid" sign. Nobody wants you lazy bums shooting at animals next to their houses. Get a license and go out in the woods like a hunter, not shoot nearly tame deer where you could miss and hurt or kill somebody.

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