Can we discuss this in an intelligent...

Can we discuss this in an intelligent manner?

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Since: Nov 12

Knoxville, TN

#1 Nov 26, 2012
"God is an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance."
wow

Charlottesville, VA

#2 Nov 26, 2012
You would first have to be intelligent!

Since: Nov 12

Knoxville, TN

#3 Nov 26, 2012
wow wrote:
You would first have to be intelligent!
You are correct WOW. The person responding would indeed have to be intelligent. Thank you for pointing that out.

Since: Aug 10

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#4 Nov 26, 2012
Deus intervallaqua...god of the gaps. :)

Since: Nov 12

Knoxville, TN

#5 Nov 26, 2012
Herbert West wrote:
Deus intervallaqua...god of the gaps.:)
Yes Herbert. Glad someone around here is literate.

Since: Aug 10

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#6 Nov 26, 2012
Folks this isn't a smack against religion. To the contrary.

This web page explains it fairly well:

http://www.dctech.com/physics/notes/old/godof...

The short of it is the argument being things science can't explain (gaps in knowledge) then it must be God's work. As our understanding and knowledge of science has progressed over the years those gaps are getting progressively smaller trivializing God...it's the discussion of an immanent God versus a transcendent God.
skunk holler bill

Bristol, VA

#7 Nov 27, 2012
Herbert West wrote:
Folks this isn't a smack against religion. To the contrary.
This web page explains it fairly well:
http://www.dctech.com/physics/notes/old/godof...
The short of it is the argument being things science can't explain (gaps in knowledge) then it must be God's work. As our understanding and knowledge of science has progressed over the years those gaps are getting progressively smaller trivializing God...it's the discussion of an immanent God versus a transcendent God.
I saw two scientist a week or so ago talking about just such a topic as you are. They said they could explain everything with one exception. They said, "there is not any reason nor could they find a reason for the substance we call water to exist". I found that very fascinating. The one thing that it takes for all life, and they can't find out why water exist. We know, without water, everything falls apart. I guess we could say, water comes from God, then everything must come from God, don't you think? Just something to think about.
Titstothewind

Knoxville, TN

#8 Nov 27, 2012
skunk holler bill wrote:
<quoted text> I saw two scientist a week or so ago talking about just such a topic as you are. They said they could explain everything with one exception. They said, "there is not any reason nor could they find a reason for the substance we call water to exist". I found that very fascinating. The one thing that it takes for all life, and they can't find out why water exist. We know, without water, everything falls apart. I guess we could say, water comes from God, then everything must come from God, don't you think? Just something to think about.
Just because something can't be explained with science today doesn't mean that it won't be explained with science tomorrow. To give up and say, "oh god must have done it" -- well, that's just simplistic at best and shows a very limited understanding of a god concept.
Harley T Ford-

Since: Apr 12

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#9 Nov 27, 2012
Titstothewind wrote:
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Just because something can't be explained with science today doesn't mean that it won't be explained with science tomorrow. To give up and say, "oh god must have done it" -- well, that's just simplistic at best and shows a very limited understanding of a god concept.
Do you think science will ever figure out where everything came from??? And if they do determine that some force exists that created everything on this planet....then the challenge will be to determine what created the force and when we determine that, then we'll need to determine the force that created the force that created everything and..........well there's a higher power than mere humans somewhere in the scheme of things.

Since: Nov 12

Knoxville, TN

#10 Nov 27, 2012
skunk holler bill wrote:
<quoted text> I saw two scientist a week or so ago talking about just such a topic as you are. They said they could explain everything with one exception. They said, "there is not any reason nor could they find a reason for the substance we call water to exist". I found that very fascinating. The one thing that it takes for all life, and they can't find out why water exist. We know, without water, everything falls apart. I guess we could say, water comes from God, then everything must come from God, don't you think? Just something to think about.
Thank you so much for being an example of the quote I posted.


I would like to know who these scientists are. I want to meet the only 2 people in the world that know EVERYTHING except how water is created. By the way, science has a pretty good handle on the concept of water. Along with how it is created.

Anyway, just because some thing is not understood, that is not prof of a higher being.

Water is the basis for life "as we know it".

"As we know it" That's not just 4 random words. That we have yet to discover a form of life that does not require water. liquid for as a general rule.

Not that long ago a biologist would have told you that life can not exist without sunlight. An ignorant person would have said that the sun is a gift from "god" as its required for life. Then we discovered life so deep in the ocean that there was no light. NONE. Not only was it life, it was recognizable and thriving.

So what happens when we discover a for of life that has no use for water?

I will let you think about that for awhile.

Since: Nov 12

Knoxville, TN

#11 Nov 27, 2012
"As we know it" That's not just 4 random words. That we have yet to discover a form of life that does not require water. liquid for as a general rule.

This was supposed to read as follows:

"As we know it" That's not just 4 random words. That MEANS we have yet to discover a form of life that does not require water. IN liquid FORM as a general rule.
Joanne

Strawberry Plains, TN

#12 Nov 27, 2012
Titstothewind wrote:
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Just because something can't be explained with science today doesn't mean that it won't be explained with science tomorrow. To give up and say, "oh god must have done it" -- well, that's just simplistic at best and shows a very limited understanding of a god concept.
I believe by FAITH and that's all God says I need to do.
a believer

Strawberry Plains, TN

#13 Nov 27, 2012
Herbert West wrote:
Folks this isn't a smack against religion. To the contrary.
This web page explains it fairly well:
http://www.dctech.com/physics/notes/old/godof...
The short of it is the argument being things science can't explain (gaps in knowledge) then it must be God's work. As our understanding and knowledge of science has progressed over the years those gaps are getting progressively smaller trivializing God...it's the discussion of an immanent God versus a transcendent God.
I don't understand your point of view! Don't ever trivialize God, we are not meant to understand everything, our minds could not handle the magnificence of God.

Since: Nov 12

Knoxville, TN

#14 Nov 27, 2012
Joanne wrote:
<quoted text> I believe by FAITH and that's all God says I need to do.
Actually Joanne, that is far from all you need to do. According to any of the various books, you have allot the you need to do. All kinds of contradicting rules. Even if you some how manage to keep track of it all and follow everything, your "god" may still decide to chuck you into a burning pit for no reason.

Your beliefs relay on fear and ignorance to thrive. Most religions do but Christianity is one of the worst for this. It specifically targets the poor and downtrodden.
faith alone

Charlottesville, VA

#15 Nov 27, 2012
I'll pray for you JLD.
faith alone

Charlottesville, VA

#16 Nov 27, 2012
Joanne wrote:
<quoted text> I believe by FAITH and that's all God says I need to do.
That is exactly the first thing to come to my mind.........FAITH. Believing without knowing.....some just can not grasp that. Some have to actually know, actually see it with their own eyes before they believe.......those I feel sorry for.
skunk holler bill

Bristol, VA

#17 Nov 27, 2012
To me, it takes more faith to believe in evolution or how ever you wish to believe that life begain, than to believe in a creator God.
I didn't mean to say that the two scientist knew everthing, but that everything can be explained by science, except water.
When I was in school, which is more yr. back than I wish to remember, the first I ever heard of the big bang theory was, a sphere the size of a basketball exploded, then a few yrs. later it was the size of a softball, then the size of a period at the end of a sentence. That were the changes in the sphere went through while I was in school. Now as I understand it, scientist are saying, " nothing exploded". I don't know how, nothing explodes, but that is one theory of how things got started. If that doesn't take a world of faith, I don't know what does.
skunk holler bill

Bristol, VA

#18 Nov 27, 2012
JLDWolfe wrote:
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Actually Joanne, that is far from all you need to do. According to any of the various books, you have allot the you need to do. All kinds of contradicting rules. Even if you some how manage to keep track of it all and follow everything, your "god" may still decide to chuck you into a burning pit for no reason.
Your beliefs relay on fear and ignorance to thrive. Most religions do but Christianity is one of the worst for this. It specifically targets the poor and downtrodden.
I'm not Joanne BUT, I believe the Bible and its' teachings. I think you are in error when you say " beliefs relay on fear". I believe because of what Jesus did for me, not fear of what God can do to, or with me. The foundation of the Bible is love.
If you think christianity targets the poor and downtrodden, you need to look around more.
Tell me how you believe life begain, or where life came from.

Since: Nov 12

Knoxville, TN

#19 Nov 27, 2012
skunk holler bill wrote:
To me, it takes more faith to believe in evolution or how ever you wish to believe that life begain, than to believe in a creator God.
I didn't mean to say that the two scientist knew everthing, but that everything can be explained by science, except water.
When I was in school, which is more yr. back than I wish to remember, the first I ever heard of the big bang theory was, a sphere the size of a basketball exploded, then a few yrs. later it was the size of a softball, then the size of a period at the end of a sentence. That were the changes in the sphere went through while I was in school. Now as I understand it, scientist are saying, " nothing exploded". I don't know how, nothing explodes, but that is one theory of how things got started. If that doesn't take a world of faith, I don't know what does.
I am so glad you found this Bill. Thank you for following the script.

"it takes more faith to believe in evolution or how ever you wish to believe that life begain, than to believe in a creator God."

Science is not a faith. I know its hard for you to believe a person can live without "faith" in some thing.

Faith means you believe something without question even in the face of over whelming evidence against it.

Science depends on a absence of faith. Instead of just believing some thing, look, check it out, see what the truth is. You have to understand that a scientist doesn't think to himself, "hey I bet its like this." Then look for things to prove himself right. He/she gets an idea, then tries to prove it wrong. If he/she can not prove it wrong, they ask other scientists to prove it wrong. If they can not, it becomes a theory.

If ANYTHING is found to be incorrect about the idea, it is thrown away or at least reevaluated.

Yes theory's can change and evolve over time. THIS IS A GOOD THING.

The Big Bang Theory: This can not be summed up in the space I have here but it is not saying everything came from nothing. It can be proven that the universe is expanding. It has been measured and recorded. Expanding from what? Well that is what is called the Big Bang Theory. That all the energy and mass was condensed so much into such a small point its hard for our minds to imagine. The energy and mass has "burst" from that. How long was it like that? Hard to tell.

It can be imagined that at some point the universe will stop expanding and begin condensing. Even to the point it was before. Some have even said its possible it has happened before and the "big bang" was just another cycle. A cycle so long that it is hard to comprehend. If you think about that, its not hard to imagine that this is not the first cycle. How many times has all the energy and mass expanded to its limits, then condensed again?

This is the part that theists just can't handle. Our lives are such an insignificant speck in this grand universe. Our entire planet could fall apart right now and it would mean NOTHING.
Ruthie

Strawberry Plains, TN

#20 Nov 27, 2012
JLDWolfe wrote:
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I am so glad you found this Bill. Thank you for following the script.
"it takes more faith to believe in evolution or how ever you wish to believe that life begain, than to believe in a creator God."
Science is not a faith. I know its hard for you to believe a person can live without "faith" in some thing.
Faith means you believe something without question even in the face of over whelming evidence against it.
Science depends on a absence of faith. Instead of just believing some thing, look, check it out, see what the truth is. You have to understand that a scientist doesn't think to himself, "hey I bet its like this." Then look for things to prove himself right. He/she gets an idea, then tries to prove it wrong. If he/she can not prove it wrong, they ask other scientists to prove it wrong. If they can not, it becomes a theory.
If ANYTHING is found to be incorrect about the idea, it is thrown away or at least reevaluated.
Yes theory's can change and evolve over time. THIS IS A GOOD THING.
The Big Bang Theory: This can not be summed up in the space I have here but it is not saying everything came from nothing. It can be proven that the universe is expanding. It has been measured and recorded. Expanding from what? Well that is what is called the Big Bang Theory. That all the energy and mass was condensed so much into such a small point its hard for our minds to imagine. The energy and mass has "burst" from that. How long was it like that? Hard to tell.
It can be imagined that at some point the universe will stop expanding and begin condensing. Even to the point it was before. Some have even said its possible it has happened before and the "big bang" was just another cycle. A cycle so long that it is hard to comprehend. If you think about that, its not hard to imagine that this is not the first cycle. How many times has all the energy and mass expanded to its limits, then condensed again?
This is the part that theists just can't handle. Our lives are such an insignificant speck in this grand universe. Our entire planet could fall apart right now and it would mean NOTHING.
quit with all that hogwash and read your Bible!

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