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Plumb Bob

Candler, NC

#366 Oct 7, 2012
Thanks for the info. Your comments reflect the information that I've been able to gather also. I was just wondering what it was I was missing. Comments here keep alluding that there's something more but I haven't found anything except basically what you stated.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#367 Oct 7, 2012
Plumb Bob wrote:
Thanks for the info. Your comments reflect the information that I've been able to gather also. I was just wondering what it was I was missing. Comments here keep alluding that there's something more but I haven't found anything except basically what you stated.
I just want to make something clear. I do not intend to say it is wrong to be Mormon, or a black liberationist. I'm simply pointing out that it is different than the beliefs of most American Christians.

Since: Aug 09

Old Fort N.C.

#368 Oct 7, 2012
OlFortpreacher wrote:
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I just want to make something clear. I do not intend to say it is wrong to be Mormon, or a black liberationist. I'm simply pointing out that it is different than the beliefs of most American Christians.
Of course not you are on the fence about most everything. But you make it obvious you lean more towards a non Christian than you do toward a Christian whose beliefs are not quite in line with yours. Did anyone catch the Weslyan preacher on CNN this morning who is leading the charge in sueing to get rid of the law that states if you campaign from your pulpit or tell your congregation which candidate they should vote for, you could lose your tax exempt status?
unnamed pastor

Asheville, NC

#369 Oct 7, 2012
OlFortpreacher wrote:
Everyone knows that Mitt Romney is a Mormon. Kennedy was a catholic. George W. was an evangelical christian. Obama has Muslim roots but confesses to be a christian under the guise of black liberation theology. How important is a persons faith when they are asking for your vote? How will Rooney's faith effect how he governs? How has Obama's faith effected how he governs? what do you think?
Your description of Obama is offensive, misleading and clearly an effort to seed fear and hate. Your intentions have rightly been questioned. You eventually professed that your intentions were " Just that there are theological differences between the belief system of our president and most mainline evangelicals." And when your blatant bias was pointed out - you said 275 posts later - "My point is that both candidates have very different religious beliefs than most of America. I wasn't targeting either of the 2. I just wondered if these differences would effect who they vote for."

Well, you have been caught in a red handed lie. Just because you call yourself a "preacher" - you don't get a free ride when you lie.

Why didn't you say "Romney, who has polygamous roots, is a member of one of the Marginal Christian sects (which include Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian science and various pseudo-Christian cults) which purports to be the "only true and living church" because divine authority was restored to it through a known conjurer named Joseph Smith and avows the Book of Mormon is divinely inspired and a correction of errors in the bible?

If you had said that, I wouldn't think you were purposefully using inflammatory words to describe someone’s faith in order to denigrate them politically.

You lost all credibility from the get go and you can see EVERYONE else who has posted pushing back on you in response to your dubious "question."

Since: Aug 09

Old Fort N.C.

#370 Oct 7, 2012
unnamed pastor wrote:
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Your description of Obama is offensive, misleading and clearly an effort to seed fear and hate. Your intentions have rightly been questioned. You eventually professed that your intentions were " Just that there are theological differences between the belief system of our president and most mainline evangelicals." And when your blatant bias was pointed out - you said 275 posts later - "My point is that both candidates have very different religious beliefs than most of America. I wasn't targeting either of the 2. I just wondered if these differences would effect who they vote for."
Well, you have been caught in a red handed lie. Just because you call yourself a "preacher" - you don't get a free ride when you lie.
Why didn't you say "Romney, who has polygamous roots, is a member of one of the Marginal Christian sects (which include Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian science and various pseudo-Christian cults) which purports to be the "only true and living church" because divine authority was restored to it through a known conjurer named Joseph Smith and avows the Book of Mormon is divinely inspired and a correction of errors in the bible?
If you had said that, I wouldn't think you were purposefully using inflammatory words to describe someone’s faith in order to denigrate them politically.
You lost all credibility from the get go and you can see EVERYONE else who has posted pushing back on you in response to your dubious "question."
You nailed it, but he'll still not admit that was what he was doing.
BooYah

Asheville, NC

#371 Oct 7, 2012
I'm sure everyone has heard Jeremiah Wright preach his drivel from his pulpit. He does preach Black Liberation Theology and there is no disputing that. He has made outrageous claims that the government invented the HIV virus to infect black people and kill them. He's anti-Israel, he preaches division and he was Obama's pastor for 20 years. O tried to say he didn't hear the remarks made in the pulpit of his church but to get elected he had to back off Wright and throw him under the bus.

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#372 Oct 7, 2012
OlFortpreacher wrote:
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I just want to make something clear. I do not intend to say it is wrong to be Mormon, or a black liberationist. I'm simply pointing out that it is different than the beliefs of most American Christians.
NOT TO WORRY --- THE GOD VOTE HAS BEEN CAPTURED BY YOUR CANDIDATE

MITT: This is a religious country. Part of claiming your citizenship is claiming a belief in God, even if you are not Christian.. We’ve got the Creator in our Declaration of Independence. We’ve got “In God We Trust” on our coins. We’ve got “one nation under God” in our Pledge of Allegiance

I really like the part that says...."even if you are not a Christian." This is all news to me - especially that claiming your citizenship requires one to be religious. What? He must realize the complete ignorance of the religious when it comes to the documents written by the founding fathers. And so it goes.

Does it matter his religion is in the "possibly Christian" category of the over 2000 christian sects in America? Guess not - cause he is talking the god talk and "sounds" just like the regular Christian, don't he?

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#373 Oct 7, 2012
WOWZA YOWZA OOOOOOWWWWZA

Brilliant! Where were you on page 1?

"Romney, who has polygamous roots, is a member of one of the Marginal Christian sects (which include Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian science and various pseudo-Christian cults) which purports to be the "only true and living church" because divine authority was restored to it through a known conjurer named Joseph Smith and avows the Book of Mormon is divinely inspired and a correction of errors in the bible?

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#374 Oct 7, 2012
unnamed pastor wrote:
<quoted text>
Your description of Obama is offensive, misleading and clearly an effort to seed fear and hate. Your intentions have rightly been questioned. You eventually professed that your intentions were " Just that there are theological differences between the belief system of our president and most mainline evangelicals." And when your blatant bias was pointed out - you said 275 posts later - "My point is that both candidates have very different religious beliefs than most of America. I wasn't targeting either of the 2. I just wondered if these differences would effect who they vote for."
Well, you have been caught in a red handed lie. Just because you call yourself a "preacher" - you don't get a free ride when you lie.
Why didn't you say "Romney, who has polygamous roots, is a member of one of the Marginal Christian sects (which include Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian science and various pseudo-Christian cults) which purports to be the "only true and living church" because divine authority was restored to it through a known conjurer named Joseph Smith and avows the Book of Mormon is divinely inspired and a correction of errors in the bible?
If you had said that, I wouldn't think you were purposefully using inflammatory words to describe someone’s faith in order to denigrate them politically.
You lost all credibility from the get go and you can see EVERYONE else who has posted pushing back on you in response to your dubious "question."
Mormon beliefs are pretty widely known, therefore I didn't feel the need to explain. However black liberation theology is an enigma to most people. The truth is Romney's cult beliefs have been an issue from the beginning while Obama's faith has never been defined. And any time any one attempts to there seems to be outrage that some body would have the audacity to challenge the great one. I just don't understand why so many people are afraid to reveal what Obama believes. In no way am I attacking his belief system. I'm only trying to define it as different. In Obama's own words he calls it peculiar. If you support Obama I don't have a problem with that, but I do have a problem with people who want to shut down the discussion.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#375 Oct 7, 2012
I for one wrote:
<quoted text>
NOT TO WORRY --- THE GOD VOTE HAS BEEN CAPTURED BY YOUR CANDIDATE
MITT: This is a religious country. Part of claiming your citizenship is claiming a belief in God, even if you are not Christian.. We’ve got the Creator in our Declaration of Independence. We’ve got “In God We Trust” on our coins. We’ve got “one nation under God” in our Pledge of Allegiance
I really like the part that says...."even if you are not a Christian." This is all news to me - especially that claiming your citizenship requires one to be religious. What? He must realize the complete ignorance of the religious when it comes to the documents written by the founding fathers. And so it goes.
Does it matter his religion is in the "possibly Christian" category of the over 2000 christian sects in America? Guess not - cause he is talking the god talk and "sounds" just like the regular Christian, don't he?
I agree. Romney is doing his best to make his Mormon faith as palatable as he can to Christian voters, but he's not fooling anybody.

“Well yeah...”

Since: Sep 09

Right next to ya

#376 Oct 8, 2012
OlFortpreacher wrote:
<quoted text>Mormon beliefs are pretty widely known, therefore I didn't feel the need to explain. However black liberation theology is an enigma to most people. The truth is Romney's cult beliefs have been an issue from the beginning while Obama's faith has never been defined. And any time any one attempts to there seems to be outrage that some body would have the audacity to challenge the great one. I just don't understand why so many people are afraid to reveal what Obama believes. In no way am I attacking his belief system. I'm only trying to define it as different. In Obama's own words he calls it peculiar. If you support Obama I don't have a problem with that, but I do have a problem with people who want to shut down the discussion.
"And any time any one attempts to there seems to be outrage that some body would have the audacity to challenge the great one."

That sentence speaks volumes to what you really feel.

Since: Aug 09

Old Fort N.C.

#377 Oct 8, 2012
How important is Religious beliefs when voting for President? This is how important it is and OLFortpreacher is perfectly ok with giving Romney this kind of power. These Executive orders were put in place by Republican Pres, Richard Nixon and given teeth by Republican President Ronald Reagan. Now which party is it that is planning to take over our country?

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.
Without Congressional approval, the President now has the power to transfer whole populations to any part of the country, the power to suspend the Press and to force a national registration of all persons. The President, in essence, has dictatorial powers never provided to him under the Constitution. The President has the power to suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights in a real or perceived emergency. Unlike Lincoln and Roosevelt, these powers are not derived from a wartime need, but from any crisis, domestic or foreign, hostile or economic. Roosevelt created extraordinary measures during the Great Depression, but any President faced with a similar, or lesser, economic crisis now has extraordinary powers to assume dictatorial status.

Many of the Executive Orders cited here have been on the books for over a quarter of a century and have not been applied. Therefore, what makes them more dangerous today than yesteryear? There has been a steady, consistent series of new Executive Orders, originating from President Richard Nixon and added to by Presidents Ronald Reagan,(pawn) Jimmy Carter and George Bush.

Look up the ones G.W.Bush added, I think you'll be amazed at what powers a U.S.President has if he so chooses to use them.
Republicans have put all these executive orders in place, but not only that but the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression also happened on their watch. Be afraid, be very afraid.
BooYah

Asheville, NC

#378 Oct 8, 2012
Our system of electing the President allows us two choices. What this entire conversation revolves around is whether you are Republican or Democrat since Independents only make up a small percentage of the voting block. Obama supporters don't care whether he's Muslim, Marxist, Socialist, or dog catcher. He's the one they'll vote for.

Since the Republican party consists of more Conservative Christians, they will have reservations when voting for Mitt. However, when weighing their conservative values against what Obama has shown in his record of voting and running the country, they will choose the lesser of two evils and vote for Romney.
Johnniecomelatel y

Candler, NC

#379 Oct 8, 2012
OlFortpreacher wrote:
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I didn't feel the need to explain.
This says it all. No need to waste a lot of words.
over educated

Asheville, NC

#380 Oct 8, 2012
OlFortpreacher wrote:
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Mormon beliefs are pretty widely known, therefore I didn't feel the need to explain. However black liberation theology is an enigma to most people. The truth is Romney's cult beliefs have been an issue from the beginning while Obama's faith has never been defined. And any time any one attempts to there seems to be outrage that some body would have the audacity to challenge the great one. I just don't understand why so many people are afraid to reveal what Obama believes. In no way am I attacking his belief system. I'm only trying to define it as different. In Obama's own words he calls it peculiar. If you support Obama I don't have a problem with that, but I do have a problem with people who want to shut down the discussion.
No one is shutting down the discussion. Whatever his religious background and beliefs - it clearly has not proven to be negative in the way he governs. Just as it doesn't bother you that Mitt has odd beliefs, it doesn't bother me that Obama is a Christian and understands oppression and understands that all people have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

I'll tell you what Obama believes and this is supported in his actions over the past 4 years. He believes in keeping religion separate from Government - just like the constitution requires. The hardwired Christians don't get that. Obama has shown that ...whatever it is that he really believes ...has had ZERO influence on how he leads ALL Americans. He doesn't cater to the fundamental conservative far right hardwired christian groups as Mitt does(which you agree is totally faked). Obama's intelligence is evolved and he has shown us he has a strong moral intelligence. He has shown stability and has restored the honor to America that was destroyed under Bush 2. I would say he easily is more Christ-like in his actions than Romney who has shown such disdain for half of Americans, among other things.

I can never get it out of my head how Mitt lead a group of students chasing and then holding down and cutting the hair of another student because he was different. Mitt is a bully. That he says he doesn't recall the event is a lie. He was living his true character which has not changed. Romney purports to be a Mormon ... and still,like Obama, we can never be certain what he really believes - but his actions all of his life disprove that he lives his life by Mormon principles and reveal him to be a dishonorable, disingenuous, and with under developed moral intelligence.

The same people who voted for the nut job BUSH2 aren't really interested in character, though. I keep forgetting.

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#381 Oct 9, 2012
OlFortpreacher wrote:
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I agree. Romney is doing his best to make his Mormon faith as palatable as he can to Christian voters, BUT HE'S NOT FOOLING ANYBODY.
TAKE SOME TIME TO READ THE EDITORIALS IN THE MCDOWELL NEWS

You must live on a different planet from me.
mitt flips

Asheville, NC

#382 Oct 10, 2012
Mitt was going to stop all abortions last month and now he states he will not change anything about the abortion law or Roe vs Wade. MAN, it's on damn tape.

I have never in all my life seen someone who excels this much at lying. It's mind boggling, unfathomable, jarring. It's like he's suspended morality for himself.

Do any of the Romney fans on here think he's a pathological liar, too?
my 2 shoes

Asheville, NC

#383 Oct 15, 2012
The gallop poll this year showed that 46 percent of Americans believe that God made human beings just as they are today sometime in the last 10,000 years. That number is up from 40 percent in 2011 (which was down from 46 percent in 2006). Science is doomed.

78 Percent of Americans believe in some form of creationism, nearly half believe in the existence of a literal Adam and Eve.

So, of course religion affects everything - to the detriment of society. Americans have got to be some of the most poorly educated in the world.

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