Who Would Like Gowan Removed
CollegeAthlete54

Marion, NC

#61 Mar 8, 2011
Ok so I know I am late to this, but I feel as though I need to give my opinion. I played football under Coach Gowan for 4 years and was his first senior class as head coach. Coach Gowan is one of the best men you will ever and the best coach that I have had in my many years playing. I now play college ball and am still yet to find a coach who can match his level of expertise. So for all you doubters out there, it is not the coach's fault. In fact, I will blame the current situation the team is in on the parents of the kids and the leadership of the senior class. My year was perhaps the last year of "tough" football players. We did not take the yelling as punishment but instead we learned from it. The yelling gave our team discipline and structure. This is how coaching should be. The parents who are freaking out over there son being yelled at is not helping the matter. They are old enough to put on their big boy pants and deal with matters on their own, so let the coaches coach, it is their job!! The senior class also needs to step up and take control. If your team does not respect the older individuals on the team then do you expect them to respect the coaches? Seniors step it up and take control! It is your job as seniors to get everyone on the same page on every aspect whether it be discipline, in the weight room, or practice. Quit thinking you are the gift to football, because I can promise you that there is always someone bigger, faster, and stronger than you, and this is coming from someone who plays at the college level. So in conclusion, parents let your kids play football and let the coaches coach. I am sorry playing football is not like skipping through a field of daisies like you apparently thought it would be. Football is a tough sport played by tough people, so if your son does not like getting yelled at, roughed up, or a little muddy then I suggest for him to take up a less demanding sport that they are allowed to wear dresses in like cheerleading.
be honest

Asheville, NC

#62 Mar 9, 2011
Well said CollegeAthlete54!I really like Gowan and the truth is people are way too sensitive.Football is not a sissy sport and parents need to chill out.
geez louise

United States

#63 Mar 9, 2011
It is not Coach Gowan's fault that the football team is bad. It is the team's fault. Coach Gowan can't help that all those boys are lazy. Kids in general these days are lazy. If the team really wanted to win, they could if they practiced and tried hard enough. Enough with the blame game.
Matt Suttles

Morganton, NC

#64 Mar 11, 2011
sportsfan71 wrote:
I would love for one person out there to explain to me how any coach could stop, a talented hardworking,enthusiastic group of guys from winning at least one ball game in 2 years. If the games were close maybe we could see your point, but they're not. Coaching has very little to do with teams scoring 40 points on your defense, before halftime. Unless of course you are saying the coach is playing just the kids that can't tackle or the boys are intentionally sabotaging their coach and themselves. I've watched the games, when our offense scores 9 times out of 10 it's on their opponents second or third string. Our coaches aren't great coaches , but neither is our opponents coaches, if they were they'd be coaching somewhere besides high school. Get a clue, it's lack of talent,lack of work ethic and a bunch of self entitled kids who are looking for a pat on the back every time they don't mess up. That's why we are losing. I think it's hilarious the poster that compares our program to Richmond Co. or Independence Co., you're joking right compare the talent pool and then the coaches and get back to all of us,on which brings in the wins.
This is a good point, so think of it like this: 4 years ago West McDowell was 1-7 and East McDowell was 0-8 (guess who West McDowell beat?) together they were a combined 1-15 against their conference. Now when these kids move to high school everyone is suprised at their record and they want to fire the coach?!?!? I played for Carson Gowan, Coy Gibson, Dennis Blake, and David Comer in Jr. High. These men together couldn't make me any better than I chose to be. Football games aren't won on Friday night, they're won everyday the individual works to get better. Coaches don't throw touchdowns or make tackles players do. The Coach implements a scheme to put players in the best position to be successful then its up to the player to accept or reject that scheme or as my college football coach said, "get all the way in or get all the way out". When you're small, slow, or even weak you can still be successful if you have mental toughness. What you percieve as a coaching problem is a lack of mental toughness. For all those who wish to accomplish something with football, or even in life I ask you this "Is anything worth being, doing, or having supposed to be easy?"
Matt Suttles

Morganton, NC

#65 Mar 11, 2011
Former Player wrote:
Ain't this just typical of McDowell County. We need to go out and find a high profile coach (POSS). We need to get a better staff. We need to fire everybody and start over.
Where are you going to find a high profile coach to take over the football program at McDowell High? NO ONE WANTS THE DAMNED JOB! This county pays probably the lowest head coaches supplement in the state. Your lucky to have Carson as a head coach. His heart is here! He's had opportunities to go elsewhere and stayed!
Who is your wonderful new high profile coach going to have for his staff? The same coaches that Carson is stuck with now. They won't let him bring in new blood. So he's stuck with coaches like the embezzeling felon Tony Davis, who I've yet to see coach ANYBODY! And that jackass Denton who has players stretch AFTER games and perform squats with their damned backs bowed so they'll be crippled for life.
All of you whiners might as well face it. Until this county gets behind football the way it has basketball, soccer and 115 travelling baseball teams, it's not going to change. There are 2 football fields in this entire county, both of which are practically destroyed by soccer. Do you ever see a soccer coach volunteer to do any work on those fields? Hell no! Comer and Gowan take care of them.
Ask someone how much of the gate, concessions for a Titan football game goes back to the football program. You'll be surprised at how little actually does.
And if Junior doesn't like being yelled at, insulted, challenged, maybe he's playing the wrong sport. Anyone who plays this game for any length of time and loves it will play for someone he does not like. It's not what you get out of the game IT"S WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT. FOR THE TEAM.
At the beginning of West Jr's season the head coach looked at the kids and told them he did not want to be the head coach. What a special way to honor Mark Revis' short legacy as Spartan head coach. If you don't want to be a coach go the the damned house and let someone who wants it, do it!
If you want to fix football:
1. Support the local youth league. Volunteer. Donate. Do something besides bitch!
2. Hold school admin responsible for what happens at the jr highs. Coaches coach all the kids! Not just the ones playing on Wed. The kid you discount as being no good as a seventh grader may become a stud. Remember, Keith Ledford CUT Aaron Bingham at West. He only became the leading tackler in WNC as a senior Titan LB.
3. Ask why football gets no support from the local community. Ask why youth league gets no county money or grants. Ask why the field at East Jr is in such bad condition.
4. Ask why we pay coaches in the school system so little. Why Carson can't pick the staff he wants. Why can't he run his program without that meddling midget Talbert sticking his nose in?
Anybody remember Coy? Yeah he ran off a lot of kids, and that wasn't good. I hated playing for him and the great Johnny A. But their teams WON!!!
If you are not tough enough to play for coaches like them, or their former players (Carson, Joe Cash, Mark Revis, Matt Reel, Styles, Mike Biggerstaff), then you are definitely playing the wrong sport. I hear the chess team needs help!
Agree %100! Right on!
JR High Parent

Boone, NC

#66 Mar 11, 2011
Former Player wrote, You said it well.The kids today have no work ethic. They want everything give to them. I go to all the games and have for a long time.We just dont have the tallent to compete with these other schools. They are some good kids but we just cant compete with Reynolds, Asheville and teams from down east. If the parents dont like the yelling then dont let your kid play football. I would not have a problem with my child playing but he does not like football. He would rather play baseball or hunt and fish so I support him for that.Eventhough he does not play football I still go support the Titans.
one or two

Greer, SC

#67 Mar 15, 2011
I have read this entire post and there is one or two Gowan supporters everything and everybody else is completely against him.I guess my question is if so many parents and players are against him why is he still coaching they could replace him with someone thats never coached in there lives and that coach would have just as many wins plus there is men out there that wouldnt cuss every breath thats not part of football sorry.Gowan if you really wanted to do the right thing you would resign so that Styles could become head coach the boys love him its you they hate your the reason kids quit I bet you there want be enough this year for a jv and a varsity 9th graders will be asked to play varsity good luck parents and few players.
Concerned Parent

United States

#68 Mar 15, 2011
Matt - you were a baseball player not a football player by any means. Your knowledge of toughness is a joke. When you were there trying to coach and be the gym coach the kids thought you were a joke. You were teaching football player’s baseball calisthenics. The weight lifting program was a joke then and is a joke now. We have no serious weight training at the high school to help these kids get bigger and stronger. When you go to other high schools in the area that’s their number one objective. The gym is where those players learn and develop into strong working football players. Work ethics must be taught and earned by those learning. We have no coaches that understand this or even try teaching this or much less even qualify to do so. Why not hire a strength and conditioning coach to help not only the football team but all the athletes at the school. Every top program and or college is set up this way. Season training and off season training is maintained through the year for the athletes to do and follow with a reputable person teaching these young athletes the proper technique and form and knowledge along with proper nutrition. We do no have this at any level at McDowell High. When Johnny and Coy coached it was always about training the athletes and two a days in that gym. Like them or not they got the job done and got those boys strong and prepared physically and mentally. I do not blame all this on Gowan im sure his hands may be tied maybe not. Maybe he should look into doing something like this. Drive up to AC Reynolds, Freedom, East Burke, Hickory whatever and you will see we are way behind on getting our kids ready and prepared as they should be in the gym and nutritional wise.
idiot

United States

#69 Mar 15, 2011
Concerned Parent wrote:
Matt - you were a baseball player not a football player by any means. Your knowledge of toughness is a joke. When you were there trying to coach and be the gym coach the kids thought you were a joke. You were teaching football player’s baseball calisthenics. The weight lifting program was a joke then and is a joke now. We have no serious weight training at the high school to help these kids get bigger and stronger. When you go to other high schools in the area that’s their number one objective. The gym is where those players learn and develop into strong working football players. Work ethics must be taught and earned by those learning. We have no coaches that understand this or even try teaching this or much less even qualify to do so. Why not hire a strength and conditioning coach to help not only the football team but all the athletes at the school. Every top program and or college is set up this way. Season training and off season training is maintained through the year for the athletes to do and follow with a reputable person teaching these young athletes the proper technique and form and knowledge along with proper nutrition. We do no have this at any level at McDowell High. When Johnny and Coy coached it was always about training the athletes and two a days in that gym. Like them or not they got the job done and got those boys strong and prepared physically and mentally. I do not blame all this on Gowan im sure his hands may be tied maybe not. Maybe he should look into doing something like this. Drive up to AC Reynolds, Freedom, East Burke, Hickory whatever and you will see we are way behind on getting our kids ready and prepared as they should be in the gym and nutritional wise.
you are thinking of Donnie Suttles, not Matt Suttles dumbass!! Matt Suttles played football and went on to play college football as well.
Matt Suttles

Asheville, NC

#70 Mar 15, 2011
Concerned Parent wrote:
Matt - you were a baseball player not a football player by any means. Your knowledge of toughness is a joke. When you were there trying to coach and be the gym coach the kids thought you were a joke. You were teaching football player’s baseball calisthenics. The weight lifting program was a joke then and is a joke now. We have no serious weight training at the high school to help these kids get bigger and stronger. When you go to other high schools in the area that’s their number one objective. The gym is where those players learn and develop into strong working football players. Work ethics must be taught and earned by those learning. We have no coaches that understand this or even try teaching this or much less even qualify to do so. Why not hire a strength and conditioning coach to help not only the football team but all the athletes at the school. Every top program and or college is set up this way. Season training and off season training is maintained through the year for the athletes to do and follow with a reputable person teaching these young athletes the proper technique and form and knowledge along with proper nutrition. We do no have this at any level at McDowell High. When Johnny and Coy coached it was always about training the athletes and two a days in that gym. Like them or not they got the job done and got those boys strong and prepared physically and mentally. I do not blame all this on Gowan im sure his hands may be tied maybe not. Maybe he should look into doing something like this. Drive up to AC Reynolds, Freedom, East Burke, Hickory whatever and you will see we are way behind on getting our kids ready and prepared as they should be in the gym and nutritional wise.
I'm glad you're concerned: "concerned parent", but allow me to make you an "informed" parent. You have me confused with "Donnie" Suttles, who is one of the best baseball talents to come out of McDowell. He was also a free safety on the varisty football team from 1992-1995. He is quite possibly one of the saltiest, and hardest hitting players I've ever played alongside in my time at McDowell from 1992-1995. Please do everyone a favor and know who(or what) you are talking about.
Now I want you to read your statement very carefully, then read mine, then read yours again, and then show me where you disagree that there's a lack of mental toughness in these children. Because if you do then I would expect, as a concerned parent, you could list all things you've done to develop mental toughness in your children. Instead, you've listed everything the program needs to do to accomplish that. Well the same logic stands true: coaches can't lift weights, coaches can't make you diet, and coaches can't hold you anymore accountable than you hold yourself. They have a weight room, and it's not the coach nor the room's fault if the individual player doesn't take full advantage of it. I think the point is "I" played for "myself" and my team, not the coach. We get the trophies, we get recoginiton, we bare the beatings, and we sweat/bleed together......not the coach.
Piggy Blaster

Greer, SC

#71 Mar 15, 2011
Fire the entire staff and start over, hell they can't get much worse.
davis hater

United States

#72 Sep 4, 2011
When you have idiots like Tony Davis on the staff they won't ever get any better. The head coach is only as good as those who work for him. Tony couldn't teach a paper bag to be paper much less a kid to play football. McDowell County is the only place that would hire a lying, swindling, felon like him in the first place. Blame it on people who deserve it. Like Tony, is that the role model we want for our kids?
really?

Burnsville, NC

#73 Sep 4, 2011
When you keep asst. coaches in the same place and only make one of them in charge you will continuously get the same results. Even rats get off a sinking ship. Gowan and Cash both worthless on the field and in the school. Wait gowan teaches??? Bahahaha Cash.... Waste of a salary! Styles great teacher mediocre coach. Let's move on with this joke of a coaching staff.
Surethang

United States

#74 Sep 5, 2011
Hello wrote:
You have a school superintendent and his sycophant school board members that could care less about sports, that's where you should start your changes.
Amen brother preach it.
Surethang

United States

#75 Sep 5, 2011
Mcdowell POP Warner league that has a ring to it
football parent

Marion, NC

#76 Sep 6, 2011
yeah but wrote:
better coaching at jr high...YES... the way east and west is run is a disgrace but it takes strong assistant coaches at the high school level to make a head coach a success. it takes a year round commitment by players and coaches. but back to jr high get rid of the bums trying to coach them. a youth league coach like mark was, would be much better unless you just want your kid to leard how to run the hill...
The Jr. High lost it when Mark passed away. Prichard dont want to be there and lets it be known and Charlie is a jerk! It's no wonder so many kids quit at thr Jr. High level. There are no morals and the kids are tired of being talked to like dogs. get some real coaches and we might get a real team that wants to play!5471
CollegeAthlete54

Emory, VA

#77 Sep 6, 2011
No, 20+ lost games is not coach related. It is parent related. Let the coaches coach and the parents be parents. The kids do not need Daddy up in the stands yelling at the coaches telling them what to do. There is a reason they are coaches. They know the game.
really

Marion, NC

#78 Sep 7, 2011
CollegeAthlete54....that means you are in college...right? So it's safe to assume that you should be required to take some kind of math. That being said; it's very hard to argue for a coach with a 28 game losing streak and the NC state record for consecutive loses.
GetAClue

Nebo, NC

#79 Sep 7, 2011
really wrote:
CollegeAthlete54....that means you are in college...right? So it's safe to assume that you should be required to take some kind of math. That being said; it's very hard to argue for a coach with a 28 game losing streak and the NC state record for consecutive loses.
Coaches only can do so much. It isnt like we have a football field full of athletic kids with a stable full of horses that can run 4.4 fortys. Go somewhere else and compare the type of athletes other 4A schools have and you will see what I am talking about.

They are getting the best out of these kids. They are playing hard and the results show. Not so much in wins but in effort. 3 losses by 4 points. The kids and coaches are doing an awesome job. How about some positive comments for a chance.
brackettown

Greer, SC

#80 Sep 9, 2011
its amazing to me how the surrounding counties coaches manage to put quality teams on the field year after year and so did mcdowell under other coaches for many years. coaches can only do so much true, but if they were good coaches they would luck up and win a game or two every now and again. a loss is a loss. its time to stop the nonsense of saying well you only lost by a few points good job. in life you either win or lose. some coaches take mediocre talent and always manage to elevate their level as a team each and every year. gowan is a fine man but head coach material he is not at the 4A level. its a shame this wasn't rectified at the end of last season by scouting for a new head coach.

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